2 TE set? - The Orange Mane

broncosteven · 10-14-2005, 08:46 PM

What is your opinion of the 2 TE set Kubes has been running this year?

I don't like it, we don’t have a big enough line & good enough blocking TE's to knock guys off the ball in run game. TE's have not seemed to be able to get open much at all this year & having them chip someone at the line seems odd to me if they are trying to run a route & get open. It does not appear that Kubes is using this formation as a Max Protect type of formation. I am looking for your OPINION here, not posts like "you’re dumb, you don't know anything about football or my favorite: Have you not watched any Bronco football in the last few years".

Has it been effective for both run & pass game in YOUR OPINION, should it stay or should it go? Do YOU see any redeeming qualities of this formation or is it too early to tell as Brewster is only in his 6th game with the TE's.

Personally I like when Kubes/shanny run the 4 wide flex formation bringing KJ in to weak or strong I formation from the slot or wide position. We run VERY effectively when there is motion off the I formation & Rod is usually open when placed in the slot.

i am craving some X's & O info people.

sirhcyennek81 · 10-14-2005, 08:51 PM

I dont like it when we bring Carswell in as a 3rd tackle. Big fella needs to be put at FB, get some speed, and knock the hell out of the lb in the hole. But thats me.

Bronco9798 · 10-14-2005, 08:55 PM

broncosteven · 10-14-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco9798

4-1

That is fact what is your Opinion.

sirhcyennek81 · 10-14-2005, 08:56 PM

indeed, 4-1.

broncosteven · 10-14-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

I dont like it when we bring Carswell in as a 3rd tackle. Big fella needs to be put at FB, get some speed, and knock the hell out of the lb in the hole. But thats me.

I like that they tried this with Warren. At least they are trying new things.

Spider · 10-14-2005, 09:19 PM

I love the 2 TE formation , alot of the 2 TE formation is simular to the K gun offense ..... Granted the 2 TE formation only works if you have the right kind of Players , but I think KC should run more of the 2 TE formation ......

Ballhawk · 10-14-2005, 10:24 PM

I like when they hand the ball the ball to Bell, regardless of formation

ludo21 · 10-14-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ballhawk

I like when they hand the ball the ball to Bell, regardless of formation

rofl

I like the 2 TE but i think a better option would be to put Alexander in to block and spread out Putz. Putz can then either run a route or come down for a crack block on a LB. Thats just me tho.

I also hope to see Nate stop getting hurt and get onto the FREAKIn Field!!!! Stop wasting a spot and get healthy already, jeeez

Ballhawk · 10-14-2005, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

rofl

I like the 2 TE but i think a better option would be to put Alexander in to block and spread out Putz. Putz can then either run a route or come down for a crack block on a LB. Thats just me tho.

I also hope to see Nate stop getting hurt and get onto the FREAKIn Field!!!! Stop wasting a spot and get healthy already, jeeez

Im holding out for hope for Nate too

Bronco Billy · 10-14-2005, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

I love the 2 TE formation , alot of the 2 TE formation is simular to the K gun offense ..... Granted the 2 TE formation only works if you have the right kind of Players , but I think KC should run more of the 2 TE formation ......

Hey Spider, where'd ya get the clip of Atwater blowing up "The Nigerian Nightmare"? I'd love to get it for my highlight reel.

The Big E · 10-14-2005, 11:00 PM

What I don't like is that we run too many plays with the empty backfield. It's ok in small doses only.

Bronco Billy · 10-14-2005, 11:16 PM

I agree, I don't like the 2 TE set either. However, Anderson's strength is running between the tackles and this gives us an addition blocker on the line. I also think we are seeing more of this because we have had the lead throughout the past three weeks and this is a ball control formation to keep the opposition's offense off the field. It's just too bad we've had so many three-and-outs.

The play I really like with 2 TEs is the naked bootleg where the TE runs an out to the side where Plummer is running. This has always been effective; it keeps the defense concentrated in the middle of the field and honest playing the run.

All that said, Shanahan is an offensive guru and knows what he's doing. Plus, we are running the ball well this year.

Bronco Billy · 10-14-2005, 11:17 PM

I miss Shannon Sharpe.

Spider · 10-14-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Billy

Hey Spider, where'd ya get the clip of Atwater blowing up "The Nigerian Nightmare"? I'd love to get it for my highlight reel.

i dont rememberwhere I got it ..... I do remember it was sent to me Email .....
I did have one of Wilson just blowing up Heap in the endzone , on one of the hardest hits I have ever seen .......... One other one I want is Mecklinburg blowing up Marcus Allen when Allen was a Raider ....... Dump off pass in the flat , Allen never saw the Albino Rhino comming

.... it was a collision and a half , Allen went airborne , then got up and walked 7 yards to get his helmet ........

Odysseus · 10-15-2005, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

What is your opinion of the 2 TE set Kubes has been running this year?

i am craving some X's & O info people.

Great thread! I am too.

wabbit · 10-15-2005, 12:25 AM

Prior to the regular season, I was certain the two TE set would become a bread & butter offesnive set, if only because...as I thought then...the O-line would need the help to get the running game going..

It hasn't been...not yet anyway.

I know that Shanahan wants more use of the two TE set, and judging by his comments on more than one occassion in training camp & the pre-season, he felt it might be essential, but events have unfolded slightly differently than he expected.

Charlie Adams, for one, has proven so far to really BE that 3rd WR Denver has lacked for so long.

Second, the RB by committee has actually worked, so there is less dependence on the passing game.

Finally, as many have said here...if it aint broke, don't fix it, a philosophy the coaches seem to've embraced.

'Keep doing what you're doing until somebody figures out how to stop it'...it may have a Dan Reeves ring to it, but it has served the Patriots well the last few years.

elsid13 · 10-15-2005, 04:53 AM

The TEs pass catching production has been my biggest disappoint this season, I'm all for it if causes more miss matches in passing game. Hopefully Nate can produce when he gets back.

10-14-2005, 08:46 PM	#1
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,036 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	2 TE set? What is your opinion of the 2 TE set Kubes has been running this year? I don't like it, we don’t have a big enough line & good enough blocking TE's to knock guys off the ball in run game. TE's have not seemed to be able to get open much at all this year & having them chip someone at the line seems odd to me if they are trying to run a route & get open. It does not appear that Kubes is using this formation as a Max Protect type of formation. I am looking for your OPINION here, not posts like "you’re dumb, you don't know anything about football or my favorite: Have you not watched any Bronco football in the last few years". Has it been effective for both run & pass game in YOUR OPINION, should it stay or should it go? Do YOU see any redeeming qualities of this formation or is it too early to tell as Brewster is only in his 6th game with the TE's. Personally I like when Kubes/shanny run the 4 wide flex formation bringing KJ in to weak or strong I formation from the slot or wide position. We run VERY effectively when there is motion off the I formation & Rod is usually open when placed in the slot. i am craving some X's & O info people.

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10-14-2005, 08:51 PM	#2
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,674 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	I dont like it when we bring Carswell in as a 3rd tackle. Big fella needs to be put at FB, get some speed, and knock the hell out of the lb in the hole. But thats me.

10-14-2005, 08:55 PM	#3
Bronco9798 Two Time World Champions Boom Goes The Dynamite Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a Van Down By the River Posts: 2,353 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	4-1

10-14-2005, 08:56 PM	#5
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,674 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	indeed, 4-1.

10-14-2005, 09:19 PM	#7
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I love the 2 TE formation , alot of the 2 TE formation is simular to the K gun offense ..... Granted the 2 TE formation only works if you have the right kind of Players , but I think KC should run more of the 2 TE formation ......

10-14-2005, 10:24 PM	#8
Ballhawk Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,132	I like when they hand the ball the ball to Bell, regardless of formation

10-14-2005, 11:00 PM	#12
The Big E Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hermosa Beach Posts: 1,910	What I don't like is that we run too many plays with the empty backfield. It's ok in small doses only.

10-14-2005, 11:16 PM	#13
Bronco Billy Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,322	I agree, I don't like the 2 TE set either. However, Anderson's strength is running between the tackles and this gives us an addition blocker on the line. I also think we are seeing more of this because we have had the lead throughout the past three weeks and this is a ball control formation to keep the opposition's offense off the field. It's just too bad we've had so many three-and-outs. The play I really like with 2 TEs is the naked bootleg where the TE runs an out to the side where Plummer is running. This has always been effective; it keeps the defense concentrated in the middle of the field and honest playing the run. All that said, Shanahan is an offensive guru and knows what he's doing. Plus, we are running the ball well this year.

10-14-2005, 11:17 PM	#14
Bronco Billy Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,322	I miss Shannon Sharpe.

10-15-2005, 12:25 AM	#17
wabbit Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Aurora Posts: 5,449	Prior to the regular season, I was certain the two TE set would become a bread & butter offesnive set, if only because...as I thought then...the O-line would need the help to get the running game going.. It hasn't been...not yet anyway. I know that Shanahan wants more use of the two TE set, and judging by his comments on more than one occassion in training camp & the pre-season, he felt it might be essential, but events have unfolded slightly differently than he expected. Charlie Adams, for one, has proven so far to really BE that 3rd WR Denver has lacked for so long. Second, the RB by committee has actually worked, so there is less dependence on the passing game. Finally, as many have said here...if it aint broke, don't fix it, a philosophy the coaches seem to've embraced. 'Keep doing what you're doing until somebody figures out how to stop it'...it may have a Dan Reeves ring to it, but it has served the Patriots well the last few years.

10-15-2005, 04:53 AM	#18
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,087	The TEs pass catching production has been my biggest disappoint this season, I'm all for it if causes more miss matches in passing game. Hopefully Nate can produce when he gets back.