Any thoughts on why... - The Orange Mane

Taco John · 10-13-2005, 08:47 PM

...the Ravens defense is giving up twice as many points in the second half of games than they are in the first?

They have given up 30 points total in the first half of games, while they have given up 57 points during the second half. Also, for what it's worth, the Baltimore offense is second to last in scoring and are the sixth worst in the league at turning the ball over.

Hmmm... It's a real headscratcher. I guess their defense just sucks.

Dr. Broncenstein · 10-13-2005, 08:50 PM

They are worn out from being on the field all friggin day... that's my guess...

24champ · 10-13-2005, 08:51 PM

I wouldnt blame the defense so much, their offense is crap.

Kaylore · 10-13-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

They are worn out from being on the field all friggin day... that's my guess...

Probably true.

Garcia Bronco · 10-13-2005, 09:01 PM

We cannot forget the symbotic nature of a system....an extreme offense....good or bad will have adverse effects against the defense.

Needa Pass Rush · 10-13-2005, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Broncenstein

They are worn out from being on the field all friggin day... that's my guess...

Yeah, without looking I would guess the time of possession isn't in their favor for most games either.

SoDak Bronco · 10-13-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

...the Ravens defense is giving up twice as many points in the second half of games than they are in the first?

They have given up 30 points total in the first half of games, while they have given up 57 points during the second half. Also, for what it's worth, the Baltimore offense is the second to last scoring defense in the league and are the sixth worst in the league at turning the ball over.

Hmmm... It's a real headscratcher. I guess their defense just sucks.

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Who is your biggest suprise of 2005 Denver Broncos season?

Hey guys, Just wondering what everyone's biggest suprise for the Broncos a quarter of the way through the season. Mine would definitely have to be the play of rookie cornerback's Darrent "Dub" Williams and Dominque "frickin nice coverage" Foxworth.

Pardon the nicknames. I'm still workin on those. Go Broncos!

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-13-2005, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Needa Pass Rush

Yeah, without looking I would guess the time of possession isn't in their favor for most games either.

I thought the same, but they're 7th. Their average TOP is 31:53.

Tredici · 10-13-2005, 09:18 PM

Because Father Time is catching up with them? What's the average age on that defense now anyway?

Taco John · 10-13-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SoDak Bronco

Hey TJ, wondering if you can help me out. I am trying to start this thread, and I have tried fifty some times, and I won't load. Just keeps coming to a blank page. But anyway, can someone post this?? Sorry I'm jsut real frustrated, sO I thought I'd goto the mastermind. Thanks.

Who is your biggest suprise of 2005 Denver Broncos season?

Hey guys, Just wondering what everyone's biggest suprise for the Broncos a quarter of the way through the season. Mine would definitely have to be the play of rookie cornerback's Darrent "Dub" Williams and Dominque "frickin nice coverage" Foxworth.

Pardon the nicknames. I'm still workin on those. Go Broncos!

Check this thread...
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=29989

I'm going to be upgrading to vBulletin 3.5 soon, and hopefully that will fix our problem...

Taco John · 10-13-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tredici

Because Father Time is catching up with them? What's the average age on that defense now anyway?

I'm not sure about the defense, but the average age on their 53 man roster is 26.94... I'd say that's a good balance of veterans and youngsters.

Gimme a second, I'll calculate the D.

Taco John · 10-13-2005, 09:32 PM

Ray Lewis is the oldest Raven defender at 30. This is a defense that is in its prime. The average age matches the rest of their team at 26.9.

Anthony Weaver 25
Kelly Greg 28
Maake Kemoeatu 26
Terrell Suggs 23
Adalius Thomas 28
Ray Lewis 30
Tommy Polley 27
Chris McAlister 28
Samari Rolle 29
Ed Reed 27
Will Demps 25

IMHO, age doesn't appear to be a problem.

ludo21 · 10-13-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Ray Lewis is the oldest Raven defender at 30. This is a defense that is in its prime. The average age matches the rest of their team at 26.9.

Anthony Weaver 25
Kelly Greg 28
Maake Kemoeatu 26
Terrell Suggs 23
Adalius Thomas 28
Ray Lewis 30
Tommy Polley 27
Chris McAlister 28
Samari Rolle 29
Ed Reed 27
Will Demps 25

IMHO, age doesn't appear to be a problem.

Wow, very interesting. I hope they continue to go downward because i dont wanna see them in Denver on a winning streak.

-Slap- · 10-13-2005, 09:38 PM

Cuz old Ray Ray ain't what he used to be. No noticeable decline in the camera hogging chest thumping however. They would be crazy to extend him for the money his ego craves.

I'm not breaking a news story here when I disclose that the Ravens offense has pretty much sucked for the entire duration of the franchise. The difference now is the defensive personnel. They're no longer good enough to overcome that inept offense. Now the three and outs are killing them.

Rascal · 10-13-2005, 09:44 PM

Why?

Boller, Wright, Fassel, and Billick.

-Slap- · 10-13-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Ray Lewis is the oldest Raven defender at 30. This is a defense that is in its prime. The average age matches the rest of their team at 26.9.

Anthony Weaver 25
Kelly Greg 28
Maake Kemoeatu 26
Terrell Suggs 23
Adalius Thomas 28
Ray Lewis 30
Tommy Polley 27
Chris McAlister 28
Samari Rolle 29
Ed Reed 27
Will Demps 25

IMHO, age doesn't appear to be a problem.

Yeah, but the extremely underrated Peter Boulware isn't in his prime. The similarly underrated Jamie Sharper is plying his trade elsewhere these days.

Sam Adams and that other fat tub of goo aren't absorbing Ray Ray's blockers like ankle-shooting Michelin twins. That's right, folks. Offensive lineman aren't the only guys in the trenches taking cheap shots. Watch some film from the Ravens' prime defensive years. Those fat bastards got away with murder keeping the killer clean.

Youth is not always a blessing. How old was Rod Woodson when he was making tons of big plays for that defense?

Rascal · 10-13-2005, 09:45 PM

If they had a decent QB at all they would be dramatically improved. Boller and Wright are so pathetic I doubt they would be on most teams roster as a third string.

SoCalBronco · 10-13-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Cuz old Ray Ray ain't what he used to be. No noticeable decline in the camera hogging chest thumping however. They would be crazy to extend him for the money his ego craves.

I'm not breaking a news story here when I disclose that the Ravens offense has pretty much sucked for the entire duration of the franchise. The difference now is the defensive personnel. They're no longer good enough to overcome that inept offense. Now the three and outs are killing them.

I believe before the start of last season, he said he wanted to have the league's first 50 million signing bonus. Not sure what Planet he is on. Even the 2000 caliber Ray Lewis could not command anything near that. Even Peyton got 34 million in bonus money, a far cry from the 50 figure. I dont think they will extend him at all. His base salary figures are already around 5 or 6 million. Thats already way too much for a guy on the decline.

-Slap- · 10-13-2005, 09:49 PM

People seem to think that 75% of what used to be Ray Lewis and Ed Reed is enough. That front seven is not anywhere near the force it was a few years ago. Haven't we seen in Denver what happens when you address the secondary first?

-Slap- · 10-13-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I believe before the start of last season, he said he wanted to have the league's first 50 million signing bonus. Not sure what Planet he is on. Even the 2000 caliber Ray Lewis could not command anything near that. Even Peyton got 34 million in bonus money, a far cry from the 50 figure. I dont think they will extend him at all. His base salary figures are already around 5 or 6 million. Thats already way too much for a guy on the decline.

I heard a report from a notoriously unreliable source a few weeks ago that they would basically accelerate the last three years of his contract into an $18 million signing bonus, and then spread that cap hit across a new five year contract.

I hope they do it, but I bet they won't. I don't think the lockerroom will remain big enough for both Lewis and Reed. There are some people who suggest that there's a chemistry issue between those two that didn't exist before. That's why Reed moved his locker away from Lewis' and the film sessions at Ray's house don't happen anymore.

Taco John · 10-13-2005, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Why?

Boller, Wright, Fassel, and Billick.

Now wait a minute here... Those guys are on offense. Are you suggesting that the offense is the problem? Clearly you can see that it's the defense that is getting scored on.

orange crusher · 10-13-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Now wait a minute here... Those guys are on offense. Are you suggesting that the offense is the problem? Clearly you can see that it's the defense that is getting scored on.

I do think it is the offense. The QB position just flat out sucks whether it's Boller or Wright. They can't sustain any drives to keep their defense off the field. I think it's just wearing the defense down in the second halfs of games.

Rock Chalk · 10-13-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Now wait a minute here... Those guys are on offense. Are you suggesting that the offense is the problem? Clearly you can see that it's the defense that is getting scored on.

The moment I opened this thread I knew you were fishing.

Taco John · 10-13-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I believe before the start of last season, he said he wanted to have the league's first 50 million signing bonus. Not sure what Planet he is on. Even the 2000 caliber Ray Lewis could not command anything near that. Even Peyton got 34 million in bonus money, a far cry from the 50 figure. I dont think they will extend him at all. His base salary figures are already around 5 or 6 million. Thats already way too much for a guy on the decline.

Keep in mind that there's talk of extending the cap another $15 million dollars per team. That's a lot of cheddar floating around for signing bonuses...

Rock Chalk · 10-13-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by orange crusher

I do think it is the offense. The QB position just flat out sucks whether it's Boller or Wright. They can't sustain any drives to keep their defense off the field. I think it's just wearing the defense down in the second halfs of games.

He's being underhanded and sneaky to try and prove a point about our offense. In other words, he is making a completely identical thread to the fifteen hundred other ones talking about it.

10-13-2005, 08:47 PM	#1
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Any thoughts on why... ...the Ravens defense is giving up twice as many points in the second half of games than they are in the first? They have given up 30 points total in the first half of games, while they have given up 57 points during the second half. Also, for what it's worth, the Baltimore offense is second to last in scoring and are the sixth worst in the league at turning the ball over. Hmmm... It's a real headscratcher. I guess their defense just sucks.

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10-13-2005, 08:50 PM	#2
Dr. Broncenstein Oldeskool Homeskool Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sterile Fields Posts: 11,848 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	They are worn out from being on the field all friggin day... that's my guess...

10-13-2005, 08:51 PM	#3
24champ Livin' the dream! Methwolfe Alliance Captain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 18,700 Adopt-a-Bronco: DomCasual	I wouldnt blame the defense so much, their offense is crap.

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Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	We cannot forget the symbotic nature of a system....an extreme offense....good or bad will have adverse effects against the defense.

10-13-2005, 09:18 PM	#9
Tredici Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10,010	Because Father Time is catching up with them? What's the average age on that defense now anyway?

10-13-2005, 09:32 PM	#12
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Ray Lewis is the oldest Raven defender at 30. This is a defense that is in its prime. The average age matches the rest of their team at 26.9. Anthony Weaver 25 Kelly Greg 28 Maake Kemoeatu 26 Terrell Suggs 23 Adalius Thomas 28 Ray Lewis 30 Tommy Polley 27 Chris McAlister 28 Samari Rolle 29 Ed Reed 27 Will Demps 25 IMHO, age doesn't appear to be a problem.

10-13-2005, 09:38 PM	#14
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Cuz old Ray Ray ain't what he used to be. No noticeable decline in the camera hogging chest thumping however. They would be crazy to extend him for the money his ego craves. I'm not breaking a news story here when I disclose that the Ravens offense has pretty much sucked for the entire duration of the franchise. The difference now is the defensive personnel. They're no longer good enough to overcome that inept offense. Now the three and outs are killing them.

10-13-2005, 09:44 PM	#15
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Why? Boller, Wright, Fassel, and Billick.

10-13-2005, 09:45 PM	#17
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	If they had a decent QB at all they would be dramatically improved. Boller and Wright are so pathetic I doubt they would be on most teams roster as a third string.

10-13-2005, 09:49 PM	#19
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	People seem to think that 75% of what used to be Ray Lewis and Ed Reed is enough. That front seven is not anywhere near the force it was a few years ago. Haven't we seen in Denver what happens when you address the secondary first?