Did Shanny steal Jake's soul?? - The Orange Mane

baja · 10-12-2005, 07:19 AM

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3107255

Plummer playing in fade pattern
By Mark Kiszla
Denver Post Sports Columnist

Hey, didn't you used to be Jake Plummer?

The Snake has been changed into a mouse.

Eek! The Broncos have done what was long believed impossible for a quarterback who lives in football-crazy Denver.

They have made Plummer invisible.

Around here, quarterback has been transformed from glamour position to grunt work.

The Denver passing attack has been grounded faster than a teenager busted for a bong in the underwear drawer.

In coach Mike Shanahan's game plan, Plummer is now regularly asked to make the same number of plays as Miles the Mascot, who wears an inflatable horse head to the stadium.

While it's impossible to argue with their 4-1 record, imagine how awesome the Broncos might be if they played with 11 guys on offense instead of 10.

With the NFL embracing retro, cloud-of-dust thinking that has coaches bent on making the quarterback irrelevant, Plummer no longer throws careless interceptions, flips the bird at hecklers, grows his beard longer than Grizzly Adams or is allowed any fun whatsoever.

Shanahan spent long, arduous months in the offseason deprogramming the mistakes out of Jake, but do we really want the Stepford quarterback?

Teammates insist he's still the same Jake they know and love.

Could have fooled me.

baja · 10-12-2005, 07:23 AM

I comented on this during the game. Jake is thinking too much and for Jake... well this is not his strong suit.

What I'm hoping is this is part of his WCO learning curve.

Bob's your Information Minister · 10-12-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by baja fan

What I'm hoping is this is part of his WCO learning curve.

How many years in a row is this going to be used as an excuse?

baja · 10-12-2005, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

How many years in a row is this going to be used as an excuse?

From now on it will be every other year Bob

-Slap- · 10-12-2005, 07:26 AM

What an artless and ungainly attempt to stir the pot by Kizslut.

Pat Bowlen · 10-12-2005, 07:27 AM

As long as we're winning, nothing's wrong..... right?

Mile High Shack · 10-12-2005, 07:41 AM

and Kizla would be the first one to b**** the minute Jake threw for 300 yards, but had 3 INTs

azbroncfan · 10-12-2005, 07:53 AM

Plummer has a good record as a starter. Who cares what his numbers are, even elway didn't have the best numbers or passer ratings.

Rohirrim · 10-12-2005, 07:59 AM

Kizla! Hasn't anybody punched that little twerp yet?

Circle Orange · 10-12-2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Kizla! Hasn't anybody punched that little twerp yet?

I don't know about the punching, but have you SEEN Kizla lately? He's HUGE...I wonder if he stole Sean Salisbury's chins in the offseason.

As far as Jake goes, the method seems to be minimize the game for him as much as possible. Kinda annoying, the guy's a nine year vet. If he can't play the whole field by now he never will.

Why do I have this weird feeling they'll see the Colts again

bendog · 10-12-2005, 08:22 AM

damn it. I LOOKED at a Kizla article. Didn't read it, but dammit I saw one.

enjolras · 10-12-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

How many years in a row is this going to be used as an excuse?

Only as long as the defensive coordinator works as an excuse for the Chefs lack of defensive talent.

Bob's your Information Minister · 10-12-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

Only as long as the defensive coordinator works as an excuse for the Chefs lack of defensive talent.

What an incredibly lame deflection.

Taco John · 10-12-2005, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

What an incredibly lame deflection.

Well here's one that's not lame.

AFC West Standings
1. Denver 4-1 (Won 4)
2. Kansas City 2-2 (Lost 2)
3. San Diego 2-3 (Lost 1)
4. Oakland 1-3 (Won 1)

bombquixote · 10-12-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Well here's one that's not lame.

AFC West Standings
1. Denver 4-1 (Won 4)
2. Kansas City 2-2 (Lost 2)
3. San Diego 2-3 (Lost 1)
4. Oakland 1-3 (Won 1)

whoa. who did oakland beat? did they crash the highschool regionals?

Bob's your Information Minister · 10-12-2005, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Well here's one that's not lame.

AFC West Standings
1. Denver 4-1 (Won 4)
2. Kansas City 2-2 (Lost 2)
3. San Diego 2-3 (Lost 1)
4. Oakland 1-3 (Won 1)

ALL deflections are lame.

Pat Bowlen · 10-12-2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

ALL deflections are lame.

You must have quite the guilty conscience.

baja · 10-12-2005, 12:02 PM

Shoot the messenger (Kizla) if you must but it appears after watching the game again Plummer is thinking too much and it has hurt his game. He is overlooking open receivers taking too long to find them and not getting them a catchable ball. He just seems to be forcing his game.

bronco militia · 10-12-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by baja fan

Shoot the messenger (Kizla) if you must but it appears after watching the game again Plummer is thinking too much and it has hurt his game. He is overlooking open receivers taking too long to find them and not getting them a catchable ball. He just seems to be forcing his game.

if you consider the type of defenses the Broncos have gone up against, I'd say he's playing rather well (for Jake).

The Broncos can't play the Chiefs every week

Meck77 · 10-12-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

What an artless and ungainly attempt to stir the pot by Kizslut.

Exactly. That's how these guys get attention. Just listen to Irv and Joe. It's all about stirring the pot and getting people to call in and react.

I go to the Orangemane for football takes. I read articles in the post and listen to local radio shows for entertainment. What's funny is Orangemane takes end up on the local radio shows anyways.

These guys just need to fess up and register with their real names and join in on some football talk.

24champ · 10-12-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

What an incredibly lame deflection.

theres always next year bob

OrangeShadow · 10-12-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Circle Orange

I don't know about the punching, but have you SEEN Kizla lately? He's HUGE...I wonder if he stole Sean Salisbury's chins in the offseason.

As far as Jake goes, the method seems to be minimize the game for him as much as possible. Kinda annoying, the guy's a nine year vet. If he can't play the whole field by now he never will.

Why do I have this weird feeling they'll see the Colts again

and the winner of strangest avatar goes to.... CIRCLE ORANGE

Popps · 10-12-2005, 12:13 PM

While I'm thrilled that Jake seems to be making the right decisions about when to take a sack, throw a ball away, etc... I do agree that he's seemed a bit reluctant at times. But, that may just be what we get if we ask him to be ultra-careful with the ball, which is what people have been asking for. I'm fine with that, and in actuality.. he's simply not working with an all-star receiving corps out there. He doesn't have a Chad Johnson or a Randy Moss.... a guy who you can just chuck the ball up and you know he'll come down with it.

I thought Sunday was Jake's worst game yet... even worse than the Miami game. Why? The Dolphins put such massive pressure on Plummer that day, he had no chance to throw. He hardly had a chance to drop back. When he did, he managed to find receivers from time to time. (I think he had 250 passing?) But, we had ZERO run game that day, and receivers were dropping balls left and right. (YES, I realize that Jake didn't have a great game, either.)

But on Sunday, Jake had time in the pocket... and he looked uncomfortable. He threw the ball off his back foot a couple of times, and just looked out of sorts. I honestly think the guy is afraid of the rain or something. But, that said... I just watched the second drive again (Lelie TD).... and Jake made some great plays on that drive. He had a couple of really nice throws, a run for a first down (called back on a hold) ... then he completed a nice 3rd down throw on 3rd and long. It was a great drive. So, it's not like he didn't do anything to help us win on Sunday. Watch that drive again if you have it on tape. It was very solid.

I think as long as we have a marginal group of receivers, we're probably best off with a conservative approach from Plummer. It's gotten us to 4-1. If we fall behind, then we'll have to ask him to open it up a bit. But, for now... I'm thrilled to have him keeping us in games and letting our defense, running game and special teams win it for us.

The Big E · 10-12-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

and the winner of strangest avatar goes to.... CIRCLE ORANGE

I don't understand it, but I have made it the avatar for my fantasy team. I also thought the man in a bunny suit avatar she had was quite funny as well.

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-12-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Circle Orange

As far as Jake goes, the method seems to be minimize the game for him as much as possible. Kinda annoying, the guy's a nine year vet. If he can't play the whole field by now he never will.

and people say Shanahan isn't going to look for a QB in this upcoming draft.

10-12-2005, 07:19 AM	#1
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,906 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Did Shanny steal Jake's soul?? http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3107255 Plummer playing in fade pattern By Mark Kiszla Denver Post Sports Columnist Hey, didn't you used to be Jake Plummer? The Snake has been changed into a mouse. Eek! The Broncos have done what was long believed impossible for a quarterback who lives in football-crazy Denver. They have made Plummer invisible. Around here, quarterback has been transformed from glamour position to grunt work. The Denver passing attack has been grounded faster than a teenager busted for a bong in the underwear drawer. In coach Mike Shanahan's game plan, Plummer is now regularly asked to make the same number of plays as Miles the Mascot, who wears an inflatable horse head to the stadium. While it's impossible to argue with their 4-1 record, imagine how awesome the Broncos might be if they played with 11 guys on offense instead of 10. With the NFL embracing retro, cloud-of-dust thinking that has coaches bent on making the quarterback irrelevant, Plummer no longer throws careless interceptions, flips the bird at hecklers, grows his beard longer than Grizzly Adams or is allowed any fun whatsoever. Shanahan spent long, arduous months in the offseason deprogramming the mistakes out of Jake, but do we really want the Stepford quarterback? Teammates insist he's still the same Jake they know and love. Could have fooled me.

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10-12-2005, 07:23 AM	#2
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,906 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	I comented on this during the game. Jake is thinking too much and for Jake... well this is not his strong suit. What I'm hoping is this is part of his WCO learning curve.

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-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	What an artless and ungainly attempt to stir the pot by Kizslut.

10-12-2005, 07:27 AM	#6
Pat Bowlen President/Chief Executive Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 2,691	As long as we're winning, nothing's wrong..... right?

10-12-2005, 07:41 AM	#7
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	and Kizla would be the first one to b**** the minute Jake threw for 300 yards, but had 3 INTs

10-12-2005, 07:53 AM	#8
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	Plummer has a good record as a starter. Who cares what his numbers are, even elway didn't have the best numbers or passer ratings.

10-12-2005, 07:59 AM	#9
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,843	Kizla! Hasn't anybody punched that little twerp yet?

10-12-2005, 08:22 AM	#11
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	damn it. I LOOKED at a Kizla article. Didn't read it, but dammit I saw one.

10-12-2005, 12:02 PM	#18
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,906 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Shoot the messenger (Kizla) if you must but it appears after watching the game again Plummer is thinking too much and it has hurt his game. He is overlooking open receivers taking too long to find them and not getting them a catchable ball. He just seems to be forcing his game.

10-12-2005, 12:13 PM	#23
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	While I'm thrilled that Jake seems to be making the right decisions about when to take a sack, throw a ball away, etc... I do agree that he's seemed a bit reluctant at times. But, that may just be what we get if we ask him to be ultra-careful with the ball, which is what people have been asking for. I'm fine with that, and in actuality.. he's simply not working with an all-star receiving corps out there. He doesn't have a Chad Johnson or a Randy Moss.... a guy who you can just chuck the ball up and you know he'll come down with it. I thought Sunday was Jake's worst game yet... even worse than the Miami game. Why? The Dolphins put such massive pressure on Plummer that day, he had no chance to throw. He hardly had a chance to drop back. When he did, he managed to find receivers from time to time. (I think he had 250 passing?) But, we had ZERO run game that day, and receivers were dropping balls left and right. (YES, I realize that Jake didn't have a great game, either.) But on Sunday, Jake had time in the pocket... and he looked uncomfortable. He threw the ball off his back foot a couple of times, and just looked out of sorts. I honestly think the guy is afraid of the rain or something. But, that said... I just watched the second drive again (Lelie TD).... and Jake made some great plays on that drive. He had a couple of really nice throws, a run for a first down (called back on a hold) ... then he completed a nice 3rd down throw on 3rd and long. It was a great drive. So, it's not like he didn't do anything to help us win on Sunday. Watch that drive again if you have it on tape. It was very solid. I think as long as we have a marginal group of receivers, we're probably best off with a conservative approach from Plummer. It's gotten us to 4-1. If we fall behind, then we'll have to ask him to open it up a bit. But, for now... I'm thrilled to have him keeping us in games and letting our defense, running game and special teams win it for us.