Go for depth or make a splash? - The Orange Mane

Clockwork Orange · 10-04-2005, 10:31 PM

Looking ahead, the Broncos are going to have a lot of picks in the coming draft.

Between the picks they already have (2 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, 2 4ths, a 5th, a 6th & a 7th) and the comp picks they should receive for the loss of Hayward & Kennedy via free agency, they're going to be busy on draft day.

If things break the same way they did a year ago and the Broncos are awarded two 3rd round comp picks (keep your fingers crossed), day 1 is going to be very interesting. So should they go for depth across the board and use all these picks? Or should they package some of them to move up and make a splash?

If it were up to you, what would happen?

OrangeShadow · 10-05-2005, 04:26 AM

Id like to see us stay where we are and get depth. of course it kind of depends how the deadskins do

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-05-2005, 05:03 AM

Stay put, the team has never had 2 1sts in the same draft before, use them both.

SpringStein · 10-05-2005, 05:27 AM

A small technicality, C-O, we don't have a 7th rounder in '06. That was traded to the Panthers for Sauerbrun.

Clockwork Orange · 10-05-2005, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SpringStein

A small technicality, C-O, we don't have a 7th rounder in '06. That was traded to the Panthers for Sauerbrun.

You are correct sir, I overlooked that.

Ah well, if we've got to be missing a pick, I'm glad it's that one.

llayne · 10-05-2005, 08:36 AM

I' am hoping that the Broncos go for quality depth and not just what upside the player has. No more Dealta's who take four years to develop and we then trade them. With the high cap number we have for next year, and unless there are some players taking major paycuts, I' am guessing we will have to cut some players like Nalan and Lepsis. Adding quality O-line depth would be nice. Maybe Champ will take a paycut. Ideally, I would like us to get an top 3 pick from the Skins(still possible but unlikly) and trade down so we have even more draft picks.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-05-2005, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llayne

I' am hoping that the Broncos go for quality depth and not just what upside the player has. No more Dealta's who take four years to develop and we then trade them. With the high cap number we have for next year, and unless there are some players taking major paycuts, I' am guessing we will have to cut some players like Nalan and Lepsis. Adding quality O-line depth would be nice. Maybe Champ will take a paycut. Ideally, I would like us to get an top 3 pick from the Skins(still possible but unlikly) and trade down so we have even more draft picks.

All these picks will give the Broncs the flexibility to move around and grab guys they really want.

I hear all this talk about Lepsis leaving and don't believe it. Why send him away just when he is getting comfortable - he'll renegotiate. I'm not convinced this is Nalen's last year. He'll come back as long as he feels he is contributing and healthy.

That being said, my opinion is that Broncs need OL, WR and DL early. Would not be surprised to see a RB on the first day.

llayne · 10-05-2005, 01:16 PM

I hope it isn't Nalons last year, but if Hamilton moves over and they insert Mayer then they and draft someone for a year or two till Lepsis is slwoing down and then insert that person. know on some levels it dosn't make sense, but I would love to see us grab Reggie Bush somehow. He could be a dynamic player in this offense. I think the Broncos will go O line

Mr. Trout · 10-05-2005, 01:24 PM

Nalen will retire. Hamilton will move to center. Draft a stud guard and pick up a solid one in free agency. Kick Carlisle to the curb.

Mr. Trout · 10-05-2005, 01:27 PM

I would like to see us grab a franchise runningback because I don't think Tater is the guy. He absolutely can not pick up any tough yards inside. Anderson will be another year older. I would like Deangelo Williams from Memphis, Lendale White, or Laurence Maroney. Bush will be way gone before we pick. Williams could fall which would be f'ing great with me. White and Maroney would be great in the back half of the first round.

FantomForce · 10-05-2005, 02:01 PM

What we need is to bring in a great college quaterback and start grooming him, Plummer has some great years ahead don't get me wrong. But right now he is not pressured into fighting for his job, no stabs at Van Pelt I watched him terrioze my Buffs for years but his main talent will always lie in being an option quaterback. Bring some one new in that will not have memory lapses that deal with whether or not he is right or left handed, Bommer from espn put it best Plummer is at times Van Goh and at other times a finger painter, and I really feel the reason why is because he knows that he won't lose his starting job any time soon. With our other picks we definatly need to help out our depth at wide reciever Rod Smith is the Energizer bunny but please tell that everyone knows that one day Rod will be done. I also agree with Mr. Trout, but here is another name for you to look up Patrick Cobbs who decided at the last moment not to enter the draft. He did lead the nation in rushing in 2003 and I think could be the next diamond in the sixth round for ol' Shannie.

Mr. Trout · 10-05-2005, 02:19 PM

A lot of people are on the Brian Brohm train in the 07 draft as our future QB. Right now I agree with them.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-05-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mecklenburg77

What we need is to bring in a great college quaterback and start grooming him, Plummer has some great years ahead don't get me wrong. But right now he is not pressured into fighting for his job, no stabs at Van Pelt I watched him terrioze my Buffs for years but his main talent will always lie in being an option quaterback. Bring some one new in that will not have memory lapses that deal with whether or not he is right or left handed, Bommer from espn put it best Plummer is at times Van Goh and at other times a finger painter, and I really feel the reason why is because he knows that he won't lose his starting job any time soon. With our other picks we definatly need to help out our depth at wide reciever Rod Smith is the Energizer bunny but please tell that everyone knows that one day Rod will be done. I also agree with Mr. Trout, but here is another name for you to look up Patrick Cobbs who decided at the last moment not to enter the draft. He did lead the nation in rushing in 2003 and I think could be the next diamond in the sixth round for ol' Shannie.

First - Wecome to the Mane

Second - There appears to be only one sure first round QB in the April draft - Leinart and he will go with the first pick - Broncs have no shot. All of the other QBs in the draft have serious holes in their games. However, the 2007 draft could have as many as 5-6 first round QBs like Young, Brohm, Stanton, etc. In my opinion, the Broncs should take their chances on getting the QB in 2007 and use the wealth of picks this year to build the team around him rather than wasting a high pick on a questionable QB.

Third - I absolutely agree with the need for a WR, however, 2006 is a down year for senior WRs with only a couple with first round talent and they are marginal. With luck a couple of underclassmen will come out to increase the chances of getting a decent one.

This years draft will be very strong on the OL, DL, RB and DB. With a probable seven picks in the first four rounds, I would expect to end up with some quality big guys, a running back and hopefully a couple of receivers. If they take a QB, I would bet it is a mid round guy they think thye can get on the Practice Squad.

Have fun with the Mane

llayne · 10-06-2005, 05:19 AM

What I would really like is for Macus Vick to come out. I think he could be better than his brother, and I would love to see him in this offense and under a good coach like Mike. There are no wide recivers who I feel are sure things like Mike WIlliams and Roy Williams. I might trade one of my draft picks to the lions to grab one of those guys, otherwise I would wait and see what develops with the guys we already have.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-06-2005, 06:11 AM

With his history, I don't think it would be a good decision for vick to come out this year with only one year of history after all of his troubles.

llayne · 10-06-2005, 07:09 AM

I would still take a chance on him with a upper mid first rounder. Too much to pass up on. He has impressed me with his play on the field. His off-field, while he isn't that much worse that BVP. As far as tose girls, man, girls younger and younger are looking older and older. I know girls who are 16 who look older than girls I know who are 23.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-06-2005, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by llayne

I would still take a chance on him with a upper mid first rounder. Too much to pass up on. He has impressed me with his play on the field. His off-field, while he isn't that much worse that BVP. As far as tose girls, man, girls younger and younger are looking older and older. I know girls who are 16 who look older than girls I know who are 23.

He is going to have to prove he is not another Clarett

RocBronc · 10-06-2005, 07:54 AM

I don't want them to go into the draft with either philosopy in mind... IMO, you need to flexible and go with what the draft gives you... If you're first round pick comes around and the value isn't good, then you trade down. If there's a steal at your pick, you take it. Also, our team situation will change alot between now and the draft with free agency/retirement so it's way to early to predict what our needs will be.

That being said, The only position I'd say we would use one of our first round picks on is a WR... If we don't sign Lepsis than add OT to that list. We do need help at C/OG but I don't think they'll be a player worth a high first round pick at that position. So maybe we'll trade down with one of our first rounders to get the best G or C in the draft. I really don't think that RB will be a huge need for us... Even though Anderson is getting older, I think next year we'll have Bell as the starter with Anderson coming off the bench as a great short yardage guy.

For those that are in love with Brohm in '07, how can you assume that your even going to get a shot at drafting him, if he's as good as you say he is. I do think that Shanny will be looking at drafting a QB fairly high this year. He didn't draft a QB last year and Plummer is getting up there in age. Right now my choice would be to draft Brodie Croyle in the 2nd round.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-06-2005, 08:14 AM

I like Croyle, but I think he is a second day pick with his injury history.

Workhorse · 10-06-2005, 03:23 PM

I doubt the Broncos will draft a QB; the team already has a talented, young developing QB in BVP, and if you doubt this, you are kidding yourselves. The team realy likes him. So, at QB, it's Jake and BVP for the forseeable future, which should be at least the next three years, and personally I expect BVP to get the first crack at replacing Plummer when the time comes.

I have no idea at this point who we will Draft, but I know what we SHOULD Draft.

The second of the two first-rounders should be spent on a RB, unless Tater really comes along the second-half of this season....but to me, he is DeShaun Foster, Part II. A nice, speedy complementary back that can't carry the load as a No.1 back.....and with MA being 32, and Dayne here on a one-yr deal, that means we need new blood (and also why Clarett was such a glaring mistake).

My choices at the moment would be between Gerald Riggs, Jr. (Tennessee), and DeAngelo Williams of Memphis.

I would also be willing to bet we Draft Minnesota LG Mark Setterstrom.
Typical Bronco-type O-lineman from a similar, zone-blocking system, which is where we also got Ben Hamilton.

Workhorse · 10-06-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Trout

Nalen will retire. Hamilton will move to center. Draft a stud guard and pick up a solid one in free agency. Kick Carlisle to the curb.

My money is on Chris Meyers to take his spot next year in Camp.

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-06-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Workhorse

I doubt the Broncos will draft a QB; the team already has a talented, young developing QB in BVP, and if you doubt this, you are kidding yourselves. The team realy likes him.

If you actually believe that you're kidding yourself. Shanahan is not going to pass up someone he thinks is a true QB talent because a project like BVP is on the roster. That's all BVP is at this time, a project. He's sure as hell not the QBOTF at this point simply because he was kept as the backup.

llayne · 10-06-2005, 05:08 PM

BVP, is a bit more than a project and a lot less the the QBOTF. Does anyone have a good assesment about the safties on this team behind the starter. Chris Young, was suppose to be a dimand in the rough(still on team?) Sam Brandon is playing. I think this team could use an impact saftey like Sean Taylor or Roy Williams. Right now, I wouldn't mind a running back but I think we should give Dayne and Bell a chance here soon to see if they can carry the load. IF Dayne can go, he is a young 27 or however old he is back. Just not that many carries. That gives us the opportunity to draft players we know can pan out and not make reaches like we have in other drafts. Of course it might also let us make one or two big reaches too, but I woul like to a mostly solid B to A type draft.

elsid13 · 10-06-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by llayne

BVP, is a bit more than a project and a lot less the the QBOTF. Does anyone have a good assesment about the safties on this team behind the starter. Chris Young, was suppose to be a dimand in the rough(still on team?) Sam Brandon is playing. I think this team could use an impact saftey like Sean Taylor or Roy Williams. Right now, I wouldn't mind a running back but I think we should give Dayne and Bell a chance here soon to see if they can carry the load. IF Dayne can go, he is a young 27 or however old he is back. Just not that many carries. That gives us the opportunity to draft players we know can pan out and not make reaches like we have in other drafts. Of course it might also let us make one or two big reaches too, but I woul like to a mostly solid B to A type draft.

I Browner is going to be the safety of the future, the injury hurt but might give him time to learn the pro game Brandon might be finally figuring it out, but a safety is not hard requirement at this time. WE need another stud WR in 3 round

llayne · 10-07-2005, 10:05 PM

The lack of stud recivers in the draft makes me thing we would be better trading for a reciver like Roy or Mike Williams. Maybe the Lions wouldn't do it, maybe they will. But, that is the type of reciver I want on the team, a big possesion reciver with speed.

10-04-2005, 10:31 PM	#1
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Go for depth or make a splash? Looking ahead, the Broncos are going to have a lot of picks in the coming draft. Between the picks they already have (2 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, 2 4ths, a 5th, a 6th & a 7th) and the comp picks they should receive for the loss of Hayward & Kennedy via free agency, they're going to be busy on draft day. If things break the same way they did a year ago and the Broncos are awarded two 3rd round comp picks (keep your fingers crossed), day 1 is going to be very interesting. So should they go for depth across the board and use all these picks? Or should they package some of them to move up and make a splash? If it were up to you, what would happen?

10-06-2005, 03:23 PM	#20
Workhorse Just Drafted Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 13	I doubt it I doubt the Broncos will draft a QB; the team already has a talented, young developing QB in BVP, and if you doubt this, you are kidding yourselves. The team realy likes him. So, at QB, it's Jake and BVP for the forseeable future, which should be at least the next three years, and personally I expect BVP to get the first crack at replacing Plummer when the time comes. I have no idea at this point who we will Draft, but I know what we SHOULD Draft. The second of the two first-rounders should be spent on a RB, unless Tater really comes along the second-half of this season....but to me, he is DeShaun Foster, Part II. A nice, speedy complementary back that can't carry the load as a No.1 back.....and with MA being 32, and Dayne here on a one-yr deal, that means we need new blood (and also why Clarett was such a glaring mistake). My choices at the moment would be between Gerald Riggs, Jr. (Tennessee), and DeAngelo Williams of Memphis. I would also be willing to bet we Draft Minnesota LG Mark Setterstrom. Typical Bronco-type O-lineman from a similar, zone-blocking system, which is where we also got Ben Hamilton.

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10-05-2005, 04:26 AM	#2
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	Id like to see us stay where we are and get depth. of course it kind of depends how the deadskins do

10-05-2005, 05:03 AM	#3
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Stay put, the team has never had 2 1sts in the same draft before, use them both.

10-05-2005, 05:27 AM	#4
SpringStein Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Monument, CO Posts: 2,733	A small technicality, C-O, we don't have a 7th rounder in '06. That was traded to the Panthers for Sauerbrun.

10-05-2005, 08:36 AM	#6
llayne Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 128	I' am hoping that the Broncos go for quality depth and not just what upside the player has. No more Dealta's who take four years to develop and we then trade them. With the high cap number we have for next year, and unless there are some players taking major paycuts, I' am guessing we will have to cut some players like Nalan and Lepsis. Adding quality O-line depth would be nice. Maybe Champ will take a paycut. Ideally, I would like us to get an top 3 pick from the Skins(still possible but unlikly) and trade down so we have even more draft picks.

10-05-2005, 01:16 PM	#8
llayne Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 128	I hope it isn't Nalons last year, but if Hamilton moves over and they insert Mayer then they and draft someone for a year or two till Lepsis is slwoing down and then insert that person. know on some levels it dosn't make sense, but I would love to see us grab Reggie Bush somehow. He could be a dynamic player in this offense. I think the Broncos will go O line

10-05-2005, 01:24 PM	#9
Mr. Trout World Champion Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,453	Nalen will retire. Hamilton will move to center. Draft a stud guard and pick up a solid one in free agency. Kick Carlisle to the curb.

10-05-2005, 01:27 PM	#10
Mr. Trout World Champion Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,453	I would like to see us grab a franchise runningback because I don't think Tater is the guy. He absolutely can not pick up any tough yards inside. Anderson will be another year older. I would like Deangelo Williams from Memphis, Lendale White, or Laurence Maroney. Bush will be way gone before we pick. Williams could fall which would be f'ing great with me. White and Maroney would be great in the back half of the first round.

10-05-2005, 02:01 PM	#11
FantomForce Long live the Mane! The Incredible BULK! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Silt, Colorado Posts: 2,028	What we need is to bring in a great college quaterback and start grooming him, Plummer has some great years ahead don't get me wrong. But right now he is not pressured into fighting for his job, no stabs at Van Pelt I watched him terrioze my Buffs for years but his main talent will always lie in being an option quaterback. Bring some one new in that will not have memory lapses that deal with whether or not he is right or left handed, Bommer from espn put it best Plummer is at times Van Goh and at other times a finger painter, and I really feel the reason why is because he knows that he won't lose his starting job any time soon. With our other picks we definatly need to help out our depth at wide reciever Rod Smith is the Energizer bunny but please tell that everyone knows that one day Rod will be done. I also agree with Mr. Trout, but here is another name for you to look up Patrick Cobbs who decided at the last moment not to enter the draft. He did lead the nation in rushing in 2003 and I think could be the next diamond in the sixth round for ol' Shannie.

10-05-2005, 02:19 PM	#12
Mr. Trout World Champion Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,453	A lot of people are on the Brian Brohm train in the 07 draft as our future QB. Right now I agree with them.

10-06-2005, 05:19 AM	#14
llayne Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 128	What I would really like is for Macus Vick to come out. I think he could be better than his brother, and I would love to see him in this offense and under a good coach like Mike. There are no wide recivers who I feel are sure things like Mike WIlliams and Roy Williams. I might trade one of my draft picks to the lions to grab one of those guys, otherwise I would wait and see what develops with the guys we already have.

10-06-2005, 06:11 AM	#15
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	With his history, I don't think it would be a good decision for vick to come out this year with only one year of history after all of his troubles.

10-06-2005, 07:09 AM	#16
llayne Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 128	I would still take a chance on him with a upper mid first rounder. Too much to pass up on. He has impressed me with his play on the field. His off-field, while he isn't that much worse that BVP. As far as tose girls, man, girls younger and younger are looking older and older. I know girls who are 16 who look older than girls I know who are 23.

10-06-2005, 07:54 AM	#18
RocBronc Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 540	I don't want them to go into the draft with either philosopy in mind... IMO, you need to flexible and go with what the draft gives you... If you're first round pick comes around and the value isn't good, then you trade down. If there's a steal at your pick, you take it. Also, our team situation will change alot between now and the draft with free agency/retirement so it's way to early to predict what our needs will be. That being said, The only position I'd say we would use one of our first round picks on is a WR... If we don't sign Lepsis than add OT to that list. We do need help at C/OG but I don't think they'll be a player worth a high first round pick at that position. So maybe we'll trade down with one of our first rounders to get the best G or C in the draft. I really don't think that RB will be a huge need for us... Even though Anderson is getting older, I think next year we'll have Bell as the starter with Anderson coming off the bench as a great short yardage guy. For those that are in love with Brohm in '07, how can you assume that your even going to get a shot at drafting him, if he's as good as you say he is. I do think that Shanny will be looking at drafting a QB fairly high this year. He didn't draft a QB last year and Plummer is getting up there in age. Right now my choice would be to draft Brodie Croyle in the 2nd round.

10-06-2005, 08:14 AM	#19
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	I like Croyle, but I think he is a second day pick with his injury history.

10-06-2005, 05:08 PM	#23
llayne Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 128	BVP, is a bit more than a project and a lot less the the QBOTF. Does anyone have a good assesment about the safties on this team behind the starter. Chris Young, was suppose to be a dimand in the rough(still on team?) Sam Brandon is playing. I think this team could use an impact saftey like Sean Taylor or Roy Williams. Right now, I wouldn't mind a running back but I think we should give Dayne and Bell a chance here soon to see if they can carry the load. IF Dayne can go, he is a young 27 or however old he is back. Just not that many carries. That gives us the opportunity to draft players we know can pan out and not make reaches like we have in other drafts. Of course it might also let us make one or two big reaches too, but I woul like to a mostly solid B to A type draft.

10-07-2005, 10:05 PM	#25
llayne Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 128	The lack of stud recivers in the draft makes me thing we would be better trading for a reciver like Roy or Mike Williams. Maybe the Lions wouldn't do it, maybe they will. But, that is the type of reciver I want on the team, a big possesion reciver with speed.