Tatum Bell - The Orange Mane

Ratboy · 09-27-2005, 04:15 AM

Impressed me when he touched the ball. I don't get why Shanahan doesnt use him more. IMO Anderson and Bell should be get equal carries, and maybe Bell some more.

What do you think, Will Shanahan relize Tatum has more skill than Anderson and Dayne combined and start utilizing him?

Atlas · 09-27-2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratboy

Impressed me when he touched the ball. I don't get why Shanahan doesnt use him more. IMO Anderson and Bell should be get equal carries, and maybe Bell some more.

What do you think, Will Shanahan relize Tatum has more skill than Anderson and Dayne combined and start utilizing him?

I like what Shanny did. Beat down the team with Dayne and Anderson then put in Bell and the defense will be caught totally off guard and unprepared for his speed.

Drek · 09-27-2005, 05:09 AM

Mike won the job out of camp and Shanahan doesn't believe in Running Back by Committee. Mike gets 20+ carries until he's either hurt or not getting it done.

However, I liked tonight's run heavy attack where we used Mike to open it up, then spelled him with Dayne and Tatum to keep the Chefs off balance.

Hercules Rockefeller · 09-27-2005, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Drek

Mike won the job out of camp and Shanahan doesn't believe in Running Back by Committee. Mike gets 20+ carries until he's either hurt or not getting it done.

The problem is that people look at one or two plays and assume Mike is getting it done.

20 carries for 98 yards last night, and he got 77 of those yards on 4 carries (44, 14, 9, and 10). So he had another 21 yards on 16 carries. The guy needs a huge hole to make something happen so far this year.

bloodsunday · 09-27-2005, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

The problem is that people look at one or two plays and assume Mike is getting it done.

20 carries for 98 yards last night, and he got 77 of those yards on 4 carries (44, 14, 9, and 10). So he had another 21 yards on 16 carries. The guy needs a huge hole to make something happen so far this year.

Exactly. Mike is a good back, but he just doesn't have the down to down effectiveness that we need. He isn't going to play another D as soft as KC for a while. I still think Tatum needs more carries before we can say he isn't the answer. While I don't like the argument, I will say that Denver appears resigned (at least the last two games) to using the pass to set up the run and that's not Tatum's strongest area. I wanna see Tatum get at least 15 touches a game.

DarkHorse · 09-27-2005, 06:05 AM

I want Bell to start.

meangene · 09-27-2005, 06:20 AM

I agree on Anderson. He ran better but his numbers are deceiving. He was the beneficiary of a pass first game plan. He does not consistently churn out positive yardage. I think Bell is best suited for spot duty and a change of pace like last night. I'm not jumping off the Dayne train. Still think he should start. By the way, has Watts dropped a pass yet? Maybe he has found his niche as a number 4 receiver?

bloodsunday · 09-27-2005, 06:24 AM

M. Anderson	20	98	1	44
A. Lelie	2	56	0	39
T. Bell	5	47	0	24

Bell had 1/2 the yards on 1/4 the carries. I'm no mathmatician, but that's pretty good. I know its not a fair comparison, but I think it warrants more carries for Bell. I think a Thunder and Lightning kind of thing could be fun.

yavoon · 09-27-2005, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by meangene

I agree on Anderson. He ran better but his numbers are deceiving. He was the beneficiary of a pass first game plan. He does not consistently churn out positive yardage. I think Bell is best suited for spot duty and a change of pace like last night. I'm not jumping off the Dayne train. Still think he should start. By the way, has Watts dropped a pass yet? Maybe he has found his niche as a number 4 receiver?

is no1 else annoyed that watts couldn't hold the #3? wasn't he suppose to be awesomesized?

bloodsunday · 09-27-2005, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

is no1 else annoyed that watts couldn't hold the #3? wasn't he suppose to be awesomesized?

It's only year 2 for him. He'll get at least one more offseason to take it back. Right now am I just happy to see Adams starting to contribute (although he better hang onto those punts).

yavoon · 09-27-2005, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodsunday

It's only year 2 for him. He'll get at least one more offseason to take it back. Right now am I just happy to see Adams starting to contribute (although he better hang onto those punts).

what year is it for charlie adams? 2?

dnvrbrncos · 09-27-2005, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodsunday

M. Anderson	20	98	1	44
A. Lelie	2	56	0	39
T. Bell	5	47	0	24

Bell had 1/2 the yards on 1/4 the carries. I'm no mathmatician, but that's pretty good. I know its not a fair comparison, but I think it warrants more carries for Bell. I think a Thunder and Lightning kind of thing could be fun.

Don't forget you have to remove all runs of 9 yards or more, using Herc's style of analysis.

Broncoman13 · 09-27-2005, 07:00 AM

It's just a matter of time, but honestly the plays that Adams has been making as a WR have been nice. He caught a nice ball thrown behind him by Jake early in the game. Not sure whether Watts would have caught that ball or not. I'm a big Watts fan/supporter and he's dropped very few passes this year to include the preseason that were on target. Once he missed a couple EVERYBODY started piling on him. If he missed a ball that was three feet over his head or down by his toes it was a drop! He's got game. I wouldn't mind seeing him on that same reverse play we ran to Ash. I think he could be very effective with that play b/c of his quickness. He can break ankles with his moves.

As for Tatum Bell vs MA...it's a no brainer. I won't sit here and say anything bad about MA though. He did great in pass protection and had some nice runs. Tatum is the same way in regards to needing a hole. In fact, any of the greats here in Denver have been the same. So I guess the question becomes, who sees the hole better? If that's MA then keep him in there. If Tatum can see the hole just as well then he needs more reps. I'm not kewl with Tatum being in there on pass protection though. MA is a lot more trusted in that regard.

bloodsunday · 09-27-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

what year is it for charlie adams? 2?

I think this is year 3 for Adams.

errand · 09-27-2005, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

The problem is that people look at one or two plays and assume Mike is getting it done.

20 carries for 98 yards last night, and he got 77 of those yards on 4 carries (44, 14, 9, and 10). So he had another 21 yards on 16 carries. The guy needs a huge hole to make something happen so far this year.

......breaking a few long runs isn't getting it done?

I guess we should replace Lelie, after all he's only good for a couple of 30 yard receptions per game, huh?

yavoon · 09-27-2005, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dnvrbrncos

Don't forget you have to remove all runs of 9 yards or more, using Herc's style of analysis.

u dont remove them, u just set them equal to 9. unless herc does something really weird.

broncosteven · 09-27-2005, 07:18 AM

It does not appear to me that Mike has any quickness. He continues to hit the hole late & takes forever to get up to speed. He was lucky the hole was there on his long TD run.

Plus he fell down at the goal line & then had no speed at the edge on the pitch out that he should have been in the endzone on.

I love his heart but I prefer to see Dayne or Tatum in there.

I know Tatum is not #1 because he struggles with Blitz pickups & has trouble catching (thought we don't seem to be passing to backs much this year). The Oline played very well last night, MA should have put up 150+ on them. It will be tougher to run on them in Anal-head, we need a back that can explode through the holes before they close up & protect the ball!

errand · 09-27-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dnvrbrncos

Don't forget you have to remove all runs of 9 yards or more, using Herc's style of analysis.

That's almost as comical as the one poster who said Hape's 1 yard TD's were meaningless. I then asked him if we should discount all 3 of Terrell Davis' 1 yard TD's in SBXXXII.....

Bell got his yards against a worn down D...worn down by Mike's constant bashing into them, and worn down from chasing Jake on play action fakes....

Beat a D down for 3 qtrs, and then put in a fresh back with blazing speed vs a worn down D, and you increase the probability of a big gainer.

Bottom line is we ran the ball well enough to whip KC by 2 TD's....why people are complaining is beyond me.

bombquixote · 09-27-2005, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

It does not appear to me that Mike has any quickness. He continues to hit the hole late & takes forever to get up to speed. He was lucky the hole was there on his long TD run.

Plus he fell down at the goal line & then had no speed at the edge on the pitch out that he should have been in the endzone on.

I love his heart but I prefer to see Dayne or Tatum in there.

I know Tatum is not #1 because he struggles with Blitz pickups & has trouble catching (thought we don't seem to be passing to backs much this year). The Oline played very well last night, MA should have put up 150+ on them. It will be tougher to run on them in Anal-head, we need a back that can explode through the holes before they close up & protect the ball!

except for that outside run on the goalline, i thought MA looked pretty quick last night. much quicker than last week. after the san diego game i called for dayne or bell to be the starter because mike was just too slow...but i guess it was the rib injury. he had speed last night. he got it done. keep him in there.

Drek · 09-27-2005, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

The problem is that people look at one or two plays and assume Mike is getting it done.

20 carries for 98 yards last night, and he got 77 of those yards on 4 carries (44, 14, 9, and 10). So he had another 21 yards on 16 carries. The guy needs a huge hole to make something happen so far this year.

You can pick apart a lot of strong rushing days if you're willing to discount 1/5th of a guy's carries. However, I agree with you, Anderson isn't a dominant back. I think Tatum could produce better running the ball, but then Tatum is a one dimensional back at this point. He doesn't catch well and he doesn't block well. Anderson threw some awesome blocks for Jake last night that directly lead to big passing plays for us, and I don't see Bell making most of those blocks. Anderson hauled in some key catches in the comeback against SD last week, I don't see Bell making those plays either.

I'm all for Bell getting the starting job, I think he'll take it by season's end, very possibly next week, but he needs to take it by showing that he's an all around back, not just a dangerous rusher who can't protect Jake or give him a target out of the backfield.

Edit: As of right now I'd like to see Dayne get more carries than Bell, he can block and catch, as well as producing big for us late against SD. Right now I want him coming in when Anderson needs a breather, with Bell used as a change of pace guy until he shows the coaching staff during weekly practice that he's more than just a ball carrier.

Dagmar · 09-27-2005, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bloodsunday

M. Anderson	20	98	1	44
A. Lelie	2	56	0	39
T. Bell	5	47	0	24

Bell had 1/2 the yards on 1/4 the carries. I'm no mathmatician, but that's pretty good. I know its not a fair comparison, but I think it warrants more carries for Bell. I think a Thunder and Lightning kind of thing could be fun.

Lelie had MORE than half the yards on a TENTH of the carries.
He should start!!!!!!!!!

I am an idiot...

DarkHorse30 · 09-27-2005, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

It does not appear to me that Mike has any quickness. He continues to hit the hole late & takes forever to get up to speed. He was lucky the hole was there on his long TD run.

Anderson was quick enough to outrun all of KCs secondary on that 50 yard td run. He's more of a power runner than Bell or Portis. Will be interesting to see how Shanahan manages the RBs this year.

Did anybody see LT get caught by that DE in the SDvsGints game? Couldn't believe it, I thought LT was one of the fastest guys in the game....not on that play.

Old Dude · 09-27-2005, 08:19 AM

The offense scored 30.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Popps · 09-27-2005, 08:28 AM

Great to see Bell getting some carries. Another thing to take note of... Watts had a very nice block on Bell's long run.

Hope we continue to get those two more involved in the offense.

DBroncos4life · 09-27-2005, 08:34 AM

Keep doing what we are doing I guess, but if we are going to try and do that toss in on the goalline do it with Bell. He is faster and he cuts better. He could have stopped and that guy would have ran right by him.

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09-27-2005, 04:15 AM	#1
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	Tatum Bell Impressed me when he touched the ball. I don't get why Shanahan doesnt use him more. IMO Anderson and Bell should be get equal carries, and maybe Bell some more. What do you think, Will Shanahan relize Tatum has more skill than Anderson and Dayne combined and start utilizing him?

09-27-2005, 05:09 AM	#3
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,315	Mike won the job out of camp and Shanahan doesn't believe in Running Back by Committee. Mike gets 20+ carries until he's either hurt or not getting it done. However, I liked tonight's run heavy attack where we used Mike to open it up, then spelled him with Dayne and Tatum to keep the Chefs off balance.

09-27-2005, 06:05 AM	#6
DarkHorse RPM Racer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 4,680 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kenny McKinley	I want Bell to start.

09-27-2005, 06:20 AM	#7
meangene Ring of Famer Offseason Mode Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,075	I agree on Anderson. He ran better but his numbers are deceiving. He was the beneficiary of a pass first game plan. He does not consistently churn out positive yardage. I think Bell is best suited for spot duty and a change of pace like last night. I'm not jumping off the Dayne train. Still think he should start. By the way, has Watts dropped a pass yet? Maybe he has found his niche as a number 4 receiver?

09-27-2005, 07:00 AM	#13
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	It's just a matter of time, but honestly the plays that Adams has been making as a WR have been nice. He caught a nice ball thrown behind him by Jake early in the game. Not sure whether Watts would have caught that ball or not. I'm a big Watts fan/supporter and he's dropped very few passes this year to include the preseason that were on target. Once he missed a couple EVERYBODY started piling on him. If he missed a ball that was three feet over his head or down by his toes it was a drop! He's got game. I wouldn't mind seeing him on that same reverse play we ran to Ash. I think he could be very effective with that play b/c of his quickness. He can break ankles with his moves. As for Tatum Bell vs MA...it's a no brainer. I won't sit here and say anything bad about MA though. He did great in pass protection and had some nice runs. Tatum is the same way in regards to needing a hole. In fact, any of the greats here in Denver have been the same. So I guess the question becomes, who sees the hole better? If that's MA then keep him in there. If Tatum can see the hole just as well then he needs more reps. I'm not kewl with Tatum being in there on pass protection though. MA is a lot more trusted in that regard.

09-27-2005, 07:18 AM	#17
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,028 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	It does not appear to me that Mike has any quickness. He continues to hit the hole late & takes forever to get up to speed. He was lucky the hole was there on his long TD run. Plus he fell down at the goal line & then had no speed at the edge on the pitch out that he should have been in the endzone on. I love his heart but I prefer to see Dayne or Tatum in there. I know Tatum is not #1 because he struggles with Blitz pickups & has trouble catching (thought we don't seem to be passing to backs much this year). The Oline played very well last night, MA should have put up 150+ on them. It will be tougher to run on them in Anal-head, we need a back that can explode through the holes before they close up & protect the ball!

09-27-2005, 08:19 AM	#23
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,152	The offense scored 30. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

09-27-2005, 08:28 AM	#24
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Great to see Bell getting some carries. Another thing to take note of... Watts had a very nice block on Bell's long run. Hope we continue to get those two more involved in the offense.

09-27-2005, 08:34 AM	#25
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,552	Keep doing what we are doing I guess, but if we are going to try and do that toss in on the goalline do it with Bell. He is faster and he cuts better. He could have stopped and that guy would have ran right by him.