Draft speculation....why not, its bye week after all...?? - The Orange Mane

chrisp · 11-03-2005, 02:37 PM

Okay, this is pointless and stupid, becuase a lot can change between now and April 06, but nevertheless I'm going to take a punt at what positions will get what kind of attention in the draft - a sort of 'team needs' analysis 4-5 months too early!

Offense:

QB - All the grumbling about Jake seems to have stopped, and the emergence of BVP in camp means I don't think they'll even take a punt at a long-term successor. I don't see a QB being taken in any of the rounds in 06.

WR - I do think that despite the emergence of Todd Devoe and Charlie Adams there is still a good chance that Mike will blow a 1st-rounder on a big solid posession-type guy. There were rumours last time the Shanny wanted to sell the farm to grab Mike Williams and I'm fairly certain that they were not without substance

O-line - no longer an area of concern. They usually take somebody somewhere, but i can only see it happening in the later rounds

TE - I doubt it. We have some talented guys, plus some youthful potential in guys like Duke. Wouldn't rule out a late-round grab as backup TEs are your ideal special-teamers

D-line - a lot depends upon how the contract situations play out with the likes of Warren and Brown - I think that if we do use a pick on the d-line it will be within the 1st three rounds or not at all. The Broncos tried multiple late-round D-line picks a couple of years ago and whiffed on every single one of them.

Linebackers - pur-lease.....we can get some campt meat form the waiver wire, we don't need to burn a draft pick on someone who will never get a chance to play..

Corner: Yes, we probably will take at least one cornerback, but only becuase you can never have too many...If memory serves, Champ may be coming into a very expensive year for us cap-wise, and as he will probably take his injuries into postseason, there could be some fraught restructuring talk and an insurance draft pick a la terry Pierce for Al Wilson.....

Safety: Right now, I would say hands-down the biggest area of need for us in the offseason. We are thin as things are, but on top of that how many years does Lynch have left? I really can see us using a 1st-rounder on a stud safety, no question.

Punter, Kicker - maybe a PK to challenge Elam, but I doubt it: they don't usually get drafted anyway.....

There you go - that's how I see it barring major changes to the way the team plays (which is not unheard of but I'm keeping the faith that this year is different!). As I say no point at all but there's no Broncoball on Sunday and my fingers are getting itchy.....

Doufer · 11-03-2005, 02:56 PM

no need to draft OL in the first round

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-03-2005, 03:01 PM

QB- sorry, but BVP does not get any benefit as any type of QB at this point. Jake is still over 30 and he's never shown any ability to remain consistent from year-to-year. Too many question marks here. Serious first day and 1st round consideration depending on who declares.
-Not a specifically targeted position, could be drafted if the right player is there at the right pick

RB- depth, no one after Tatum and MA under contract next year

WR- possibility, can't believe you'd discount Adams and Devoe who have actually played and then say BVP helps to take QB out of the equation.

TE- doubtful, too young and too many bodies at the spot

OL- any position along the line is a real possibility, there's going to be a real transition within the next season with Nalen probably leaving and the possibility of Lepsis leaving

DE- not a need unless Denver does not keep Courtney.

DT- real need even if they keep Warren, probably the highest chance of a 1st round pick

LB- need, not early though. No one currently signed in '06 besides the 3 starters

CB- nope

S- need at both spots

P- no

K- like QB, right guy in the right spot (Crosby if he declares)

I think you'll see Shanny play it safe with the higher 1st round pick, but take a real chance with the 2nd. The lower 1st round pick is going to be a real boom/bust pick.

Doufer · 11-03-2005, 03:04 PM

its safe to say rod smith will be retiring next year so drafting a WR in first round is a huge possibility

Taco John · 11-03-2005, 03:07 PM

I think the idea that BVP has answered any questions at this point is nuts. Forcing a couple of balls into Jerry Rice didn't do much for me this preseason.

bombquixote · 11-03-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisp

QB - All the grumbling about Jake seems to have stopped, and the emergence of BVP in camp means I don't think they'll even take a punt at a long-term successor. I don't see a QB being taken in any of the rounds in 06....

O-line - no longer an area of concern. They usually take somebody somewhere, but i can only see it happening in the later rounds

good analysis. i agree w/everything except the above takes. i don't think anybody's banking on bvp as an heir to jake. we'll be scouting qb's. as for the o-line, we have zero depth and we're probably losing nalen. he'll be replaced by moving hamilton over from guard, so my guess is we'll take a guard as early as the second round.

you're absolutely right about safety, though. definitely our biggest immediate need. i hope we go big there and also at receiver.

Paladin · 11-03-2005, 03:13 PM

I don't know who is going to be available, nor do I know where the Broncos will pick. If the pick from the 'Skins is pretty high, then a package might be sold to someone for a great pick: a world class, legand-building, francise building QB. I wouldn't know who that might be, but I sure would love to have a francise QB.

Next, I would think that S would be under review. I would love to have a hard hitting cover S and a run stuffing S, Next, I don't think you can ever have enough legitimate LT stars.

If there were a WR available, that might get some attention.

I also would like a G. I would allow one "wild card" pick and that could be whatever as long as it is a "can't miss" CB.

Other than that, The Broncos can do pretty much whatever they want.

bombquixote · 11-03-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Doufer

its safe to say rod smith will be retiring next year so drafting a WR in first round is a huge possibility

next year? nah, rod will keep trying to play until they kick him out.

Clockwork Orange · 11-03-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Doufer

its safe to say rod smith will be retiring next year so drafting a WR in first round is a huge possibility

Rod is on pace for 84 catches, 1118 yards and 6 TDs this season. I wouldn't start planning his retirement press conference just yet, it looks like he's got plenty of football left in him.

elsid13 · 11-03-2005, 03:18 PM

All I know that one of the first picks will cause the entire board to go into a frenzy asking WTF and calling for Shanny to be stripped of his Personnel role.

SimonFletcher73 · 11-03-2005, 03:18 PM

Draft David Anderson in the mid rounds.

Taco John · 11-03-2005, 03:21 PM

For what it's worth, I've seen Leinart run the bootleg, but he looks nothing like Jake in it. But then, Jake looks nothing like Lienart in his three and five step drops...

elsid13 · 11-03-2005, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

For what it's worth, I've seen Leinart run the bootleg, but he looks nothing like Jake in it. But then, Jake looks nothing like Lienart in his three and five step drops...

Don't see going QB in the first, the second round guys like Whitehurst out of Clemson might be around for shot.

Clockwork Orange · 11-03-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

All I know that one of the first picks will cause the entire board to go into a frenzy asking WTF and calling for Shanny to be stripped of his Personnel role.

Why should this year be any different than the others?

bpc · 11-03-2005, 03:32 PM

I don't agree. OL is definite need with contract situations of Tom Nalen and Matt Lepsis on the horizon. We need to be prepared for anything and if time has shown us anything, Shanahan drafts for a couple of years down the road. OL is definitely an area that could be of question in the future... DL is another area that could be up for debate with Pryce (age/injury), Warren (contract), Brown (contract/injury) among others...

WR could be an issue with Rod getting up there in years and no proven successor just yet.

TE is a position we have gotten very poor production out of this year. Mercedes Lewis from UCLA might provide a unique option for our offense should he be on the board.

Finally safety is another position that is definitely in transition. Lynch has shown cracks in his game, especially when tackling and Nick Ferguson while showing a lot of heart, has never been a huge play maker.

My list of needs?

OL: Proven running game has shown we need to keep talent flowing through this area. Eric Winston OT, Miami - Coming off ACL injury but starting to round into form that made him a potential top 10 selection in this years draft. Could fly under the radar to Denver's second pick.
DL: We need play makers to help out our secondary and continue their progress as one of the better units in the league. Mario Williams DE, NCST - Doesn't get the hype that BC DE Mathias Kiwanika gets but arguably a better overall players. Could be a great especially if brought in as a role player first. Has rare size and speed... 6'6" 280. Haloti Ngata is also a difference maker at DT and pairing Gerard Warren and Ngata in together would give Denver the most devastating, pocket crushing duo since Baltimore had Sam Adams and Tony Sirigusa.

TE: Putzier has regressed this year. Stephen Alexander has been average at best in the passing game. Denver is a team that loves to use their TE's but has no difference makers on the team. Pittsburgh and SD are showing teams how much having a great TE can make a difference in the red zone with Heath Miller and Antonio Gates. Mercedes Lewis can be that difference maker with Denver AND Karl Dorrell is a product of the Broncos coaching ranks. Shanahan can get the scoop on him.

WR is another position we could use somebody to develope. Rod is getting older and Ashley has provided flash but will never lead the league in receiving in Denver. He is coming up on a contract year. Darius Watts has severely regressed. Todd Devoe and Charlie Adams have shown more talent then him. I doubt Denver takes somebody in the 1st round unless they fall in love with a guy like Derek Hagan from Arizona State who is a Rod Smith clone.

Hercules Rockefeller · 11-03-2005, 03:34 PM

Don't think you call TE a need (or that Jeb's regressed) at this point with Jake's refusal to use them for the first few games

BroncoInferno · 11-03-2005, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

For what it's worth, I've seen Leinart run the bootleg, but he looks nothing like Jake in it. But then, Jake looks nothing like Lienart in his three and five step drops...

We aren't going to get a shot at Leinart (thank hell), so you may as well give up that wet dream.

Hotrod · 11-03-2005, 03:39 PM

If we use both 1st rounders we WILL be taking ATLEAST one Olineman.

Clockwork Orange · 11-03-2005, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

We aren't going to get a shot at Leinart (thank hell), so you may as well give up that wet dream.

I wouldn't rule it out completely. The Broncos are in a better position to move up in the draft than they have been in quite some time. If there's someone out there who the coaching staff falls in love with, they've got the ammo to make something happen.

I'm not saying it's likely, but never say never.

elsid13 · 11-03-2005, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

We aren't going to get a shot at Leinart (thank hell), so you may as well give up that wet dream.

Taco will give up his dream on Leinart when Leinart is drafted by someone else. Until then let the man have his dream.

Hotrod · 11-03-2005, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

We aren't going to get a shot at Leinart (thank hell), so you may as well give up that wet dream.

I agree we wont be taking Leinart but if Shanny wanted to we do have enough to offer to move up to 1-4 and take him.

bpc · 11-03-2005, 03:42 PM

Why would Jake refuse to use any of his weapons? You think he likes being called inept?

When Shannon Sharpe was here with Jake, we got great production from our TE's... last year Putz did solid but he has not exploded like last year might have suggested he could have... he actually hasn't started any game this year either. He has honestly shown a lack of being able to seperate from defenders.

Lewis cures that problem and gives us a capable target and weapon in the red zone, comparable to Shockey for the Giants.

Hotrod · 11-03-2005, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I wouldn't rule it out completely. The Broncos are in a better position to move up in the draft than they have been in quite some time. If there's someone out there who the coaching staff falls in love with, they've got the ammo to make something happen.

I'm not saying it's likely, but never say never.

You beat me to it......

BroncoInferno · 11-03-2005, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

If we use both 1st rounders we WILL be taking ATLEAST one Olineman.

Depends on how free agency pans out. If, as expected, Nalen is gone, Hamilton will shift to center leaving open his spot at LG. If we sign a free agent to fill that spot (and get Lepsis to restructure), we will be set with the starting lineup. We would still need depth (and possibly someone to push Carlise), so in this senario I could still see a guard in the 2nd or 3rd. The good thing about the interior OL is that most teams undervalue the position, so you can usually get top 5-7 talent in the second round.

GreatBronco16 · 11-03-2005, 03:44 PM

I see the draft going like this.

Saftey
Saftey
Saftey
WR
WR
WR
RB

I still think that Denver needs to go and get the best Punt returner in the draft and only play him at that spot.

Undrafted looks and FAs.

PK, TE, Oline and DLine

11-03-2005, 02:37 PM	#1
chrisp Friend of the unsung Not into the football......yet Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 1,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Danny Trevathan	Draft speculation....why not, its bye week after all...?? Okay, this is pointless and stupid, becuase a lot can change between now and April 06, but nevertheless I'm going to take a punt at what positions will get what kind of attention in the draft - a sort of 'team needs' analysis 4-5 months too early! Offense: QB - All the grumbling about Jake seems to have stopped, and the emergence of BVP in camp means I don't think they'll even take a punt at a long-term successor. I don't see a QB being taken in any of the rounds in 06. WR - I do think that despite the emergence of Todd Devoe and Charlie Adams there is still a good chance that Mike will blow a 1st-rounder on a big solid posession-type guy. There were rumours last time the Shanny wanted to sell the farm to grab Mike Williams and I'm fairly certain that they were not without substance O-line - no longer an area of concern. They usually take somebody somewhere, but i can only see it happening in the later rounds TE - I doubt it. We have some talented guys, plus some youthful potential in guys like Duke. Wouldn't rule out a late-round grab as backup TEs are your ideal special-teamers D-line - a lot depends upon how the contract situations play out with the likes of Warren and Brown - I think that if we do use a pick on the d-line it will be within the 1st three rounds or not at all. The Broncos tried multiple late-round D-line picks a couple of years ago and whiffed on every single one of them. Linebackers - pur-lease.....we can get some campt meat form the waiver wire, we don't need to burn a draft pick on someone who will never get a chance to play.. Corner: Yes, we probably will take at least one cornerback, but only becuase you can never have too many...If memory serves, Champ may be coming into a very expensive year for us cap-wise, and as he will probably take his injuries into postseason, there could be some fraught restructuring talk and an insurance draft pick a la terry Pierce for Al Wilson..... Safety: Right now, I would say hands-down the biggest area of need for us in the offseason. We are thin as things are, but on top of that how many years does Lynch have left? I really can see us using a 1st-rounder on a stud safety, no question. Punter, Kicker - maybe a PK to challenge Elam, but I doubt it: they don't usually get drafted anyway..... There you go - that's how I see it barring major changes to the way the team plays (which is not unheard of but I'm keeping the faith that this year is different!). As I say no point at all but there's no Broncoball on Sunday and my fingers are getting itchy.....

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11-03-2005, 02:56 PM	#2
Doufer Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 321	no need to draft OL in the first round

11-03-2005, 03:01 PM	#3
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	QB- sorry, but BVP does not get any benefit as any type of QB at this point. Jake is still over 30 and he's never shown any ability to remain consistent from year-to-year. Too many question marks here. Serious first day and 1st round consideration depending on who declares. -Not a specifically targeted position, could be drafted if the right player is there at the right pick RB- depth, no one after Tatum and MA under contract next year WR- possibility, can't believe you'd discount Adams and Devoe who have actually played and then say BVP helps to take QB out of the equation. TE- doubtful, too young and too many bodies at the spot OL- any position along the line is a real possibility, there's going to be a real transition within the next season with Nalen probably leaving and the possibility of Lepsis leaving DE- not a need unless Denver does not keep Courtney. DT- real need even if they keep Warren, probably the highest chance of a 1st round pick LB- need, not early though. No one currently signed in '06 besides the 3 starters CB- nope S- need at both spots P- no K- like QB, right guy in the right spot (Crosby if he declares) I think you'll see Shanny play it safe with the higher 1st round pick, but take a real chance with the 2nd. The lower 1st round pick is going to be a real boom/bust pick.

11-03-2005, 03:04 PM	#4
Doufer Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 321	its safe to say rod smith will be retiring next year so drafting a WR in first round is a huge possibility

11-03-2005, 03:07 PM	#5
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,708 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I think the idea that BVP has answered any questions at this point is nuts. Forcing a couple of balls into Jerry Rice didn't do much for me this preseason.

11-03-2005, 03:13 PM	#7
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,151	I don't know who is going to be available, nor do I know where the Broncos will pick. If the pick from the 'Skins is pretty high, then a package might be sold to someone for a great pick: a world class, legand-building, francise building QB. I wouldn't know who that might be, but I sure would love to have a francise QB. Next, I would think that S would be under review. I would love to have a hard hitting cover S and a run stuffing S, Next, I don't think you can ever have enough legitimate LT stars. If there were a WR available, that might get some attention. I also would like a G. I would allow one "wild card" pick and that could be whatever as long as it is a "can't miss" CB. Other than that, The Broncos can do pretty much whatever they want.

11-03-2005, 03:18 PM	#10
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,099	All I know that one of the first picks will cause the entire board to go into a frenzy asking WTF and calling for Shanny to be stripped of his Personnel role.

11-03-2005, 03:18 PM	#11
SimonFletcher73 Pro Bowler Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 514	Draft David Anderson in the mid rounds.

11-03-2005, 03:21 PM	#12
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,708 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	For what it's worth, I've seen Leinart run the bootleg, but he looks nothing like Jake in it. But then, Jake looks nothing like Lienart in his three and five step drops...

11-03-2005, 03:32 PM	#15
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,574 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I don't agree. OL is definite need with contract situations of Tom Nalen and Matt Lepsis on the horizon. We need to be prepared for anything and if time has shown us anything, Shanahan drafts for a couple of years down the road. OL is definitely an area that could be of question in the future... DL is another area that could be up for debate with Pryce (age/injury), Warren (contract), Brown (contract/injury) among others... WR could be an issue with Rod getting up there in years and no proven successor just yet. TE is a position we have gotten very poor production out of this year. Mercedes Lewis from UCLA might provide a unique option for our offense should he be on the board. Finally safety is another position that is definitely in transition. Lynch has shown cracks in his game, especially when tackling and Nick Ferguson while showing a lot of heart, has never been a huge play maker. My list of needs? OL: Proven running game has shown we need to keep talent flowing through this area. Eric Winston OT, Miami - Coming off ACL injury but starting to round into form that made him a potential top 10 selection in this years draft. Could fly under the radar to Denver's second pick. DL: We need play makers to help out our secondary and continue their progress as one of the better units in the league. Mario Williams DE, NCST - Doesn't get the hype that BC DE Mathias Kiwanika gets but arguably a better overall players. Could be a great especially if brought in as a role player first. Has rare size and speed... 6'6" 280. Haloti Ngata is also a difference maker at DT and pairing Gerard Warren and Ngata in together would give Denver the most devastating, pocket crushing duo since Baltimore had Sam Adams and Tony Sirigusa. TE: Putzier has regressed this year. Stephen Alexander has been average at best in the passing game. Denver is a team that loves to use their TE's but has no difference makers on the team. Pittsburgh and SD are showing teams how much having a great TE can make a difference in the red zone with Heath Miller and Antonio Gates. Mercedes Lewis can be that difference maker with Denver AND Karl Dorrell is a product of the Broncos coaching ranks. Shanahan can get the scoop on him. WR is another position we could use somebody to develope. Rod is getting older and Ashley has provided flash but will never lead the league in receiving in Denver. He is coming up on a contract year. Darius Watts has severely regressed. Todd Devoe and Charlie Adams have shown more talent then him. I doubt Denver takes somebody in the 1st round unless they fall in love with a guy like Derek Hagan from Arizona State who is a Rod Smith clone.

11-03-2005, 03:34 PM	#16
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Don't think you call TE a need (or that Jeb's regressed) at this point with Jake's refusal to use them for the first few games

11-03-2005, 03:39 PM	#18
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	If we use both 1st rounders we WILL be taking ATLEAST one Olineman.

11-03-2005, 03:42 PM	#22
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,574 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Why would Jake refuse to use any of his weapons? You think he likes being called inept? When Shannon Sharpe was here with Jake, we got great production from our TE's... last year Putz did solid but he has not exploded like last year might have suggested he could have... he actually hasn't started any game this year either. He has honestly shown a lack of being able to seperate from defenders. Lewis cures that problem and gives us a capable target and weapon in the red zone, comparable to Shockey for the Giants.

11-03-2005, 03:44 PM	#25
GreatBronco16 !!!TEAM!!! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bama Baby Posts: 5,847 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Defense	I see the draft going like this. Saftey Saftey Saftey WR WR WR RB I still think that Denver needs to go and get the best Punt returner in the draft and only play him at that spot. Undrafted looks and FAs. PK, TE, Oline and DLine