PFT-Coyer close to being fired

[Denver724]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

COYER WAS CLOSE TO BEING FIRED

Word out of Denver is that defensive coordinator Larry Coyer was dangerously close to getting the boot entering the team's Week Two game against the Chargers, and that the team's stunning second-half performance on defense not only saved the day for the Broncos but also saved Coyer's butt.

Coyer's play-calling in the season-opening blowout loss to the Dolphins sparked a near-mutiny in the locker room, with multiple players openly complaining about Coyer's tactics and strategies. We posted a couple of stories on this topic last week, and The Denver Post published an article on Sunday regarding the internal dissatisfaction with Coyer.

Whether Coyer's performance against the Bolts was a Band-Aid or proof of a long-term change remains to be seen. For now, though, Coyer will get the chance to continue.

And the fact that Coyer was close to getting the ax suggests to us that head coach Mike Shanahan realizes that he can't continue to tread water and remain employed indefinitely.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Denver724

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

COYER WAS CLOSE TO BEING FIRED

Word out of Denver is that defensive coordinator Larry Coyer was dangerously close to getting the boot entering the team's Week Two game against the Chargers, and that the team's stunning second-half performance on defense not only saved the day for the Broncos but also saved Coyer's butt.

Coyer's play-calling in the season-opening blowout loss to the Dolphins sparked a near-mutiny in the locker room, with multiple players openly complaining about Coyer's tactics and strategies. We posted a couple of stories on this topic last week, and The Denver Post published an article on Sunday regarding the internal dissatisfaction with Coyer.

Whether Coyer's performance against the Bolts was a Band-Aid or proof of a long-term change remains to be seen. For now, though, Coyer will get the chance to continue.

And the fact that Coyer was close to getting the ax suggests to us that head coach Mike Shanahan realizes that he can't continue to tread water and remain employed indefinitely.

PFT is always wrong

or at least that is what we heard last week............right?

I doubt he was close to being fired, but obviously there are some problems if defensive players are complaining about him

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

PFT is always wrong

or at least that is what we heard last week............right?

I doubt he was close to being fired, but obviously there are some problems if defensive players are complaining about him

I wouldn't be surprised.

Why else did Shanahan bring in a former DC in Slowik? At this stage, nothing this team does would surprise me given the Gibbs screwup last season.

Also, given the amount of talent we have on D then why wouldn't we expect a great Defense?

The way I see it, Jax was able to virtually shut down Manning and co. and when was the last time you heard about their shut down CB or the Jags elite trio of LBs who could be the best in the league? The only two studs in that defense are their two interior DTs and our DL seems to be poised for big things. So hell yes, I expect a lot more from out D, especially when we play another high octane offense.

Most of us here would say Denver's D > Jag's D so no doubt about it, the 2nd half performance against San Diego SHOULD be the norm when playing at home and if we can't get that out of Coyer after the end of the season then I think Coyer himself will admit he has failed.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I wouldn't be surprised.

Why else did Shanahan bring in a former DC in Slowik? At this stage, nothing this team does would surprise me given the Gibbs screwup last season.

Also, given the amount of talent we have on D then why wouldn't expect a great Defense?

The way I see it Jax was able to virtually shut down Manning and co. and when was the last time you heard about their shut down CB or the Jags elite trio of LBs who could be the best in the league? The only two studs in that defense are their two interior DTs and our DL seems to be poised for big things. So hell yes, I expect a lot more from out D, especially when we play another high octane offense.

anytime we lose this year though remember

it's always the offenses fault

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

anytime we lose this year though remember

it's always the offenses fault

Well it will be somebody's fault other than Shanaplan that is for sure.

[Saulbadguy]

PFT=Worthless.

[bendog]

sort of wish we'd grabbed this guy when GB fired him two years ago, though

http://www.atlantafalcons.com/team/coachbio.jsp?id=1916

I notice they hired Rich McKay after TB fired him too.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

anytime we lose this year though remember

it's always the offenses fault

As long as our offense can sustain long drives and keep the games close, then hell yes, I fully expect our D to step up and be counted.

I've heard FAR TOO MUCH hype all offseason about our great LBs, how DJ will shift over to the strong side no problem, how the Browncos are playing so well, how well the rookie CBs are doing, etc etc. So as far as I'm concerned they've talked up the defense all offseason. It's now time to deliver or get the hell out.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

PFT=Worthless.

I use to think so too

but they have nailed the last 2 stories about Denver so far

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ludicrous.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I wouldn't be surprised.

Why else did Shanahan bring in a former DC in Slowik? At this stage, nothing this team does would surprise me given the Gibbs screwup last season.

Also, given the amount of talent we have on D then why wouldn't we expect a great Defense?

The way I see it, Jax was able to virtually shut down Manning and co. and when was the last time you heard about their shut down CB or the Jags elite trio of LBs who could be the best in the league? The only two studs in that defense are their two interior DTs and our DL seems to be poised for big things. So hell yes, I expect a lot more from out D, especially when we play another high octane offense.

Most of us here would say Denver's D > Jag's D so no doubt about it, the 2nd half performance against San Diego SHOULD be the norm when playing at home and if we can't get that out of Coyer after the end of the season then I think Coyer himself will admit he has failed.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fontaine again.

Despite playing only one horrific quarter in Miami (with injuries) and one sub-par one against San Diego, this D was underperforming IMO. They have the talent to be a better unit especially against inferior O's (Miami) and at home. The bar should be higher for this D and it will have to be for this season to be a good one. Quit with the gimicks and start playing in your face defense.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by fontaine

As long as our offense can sustain long drives and keep the games close, then hell yes, I fully expect our D to step up and be counted.

I've heard FAR TOO MUCH hype all offseason about our great LBs, how DJ will shift over to the strong side no problem, how the Browncos are playing so well, how well the rookie CBs are doing, etc etc. So as far as I'm concerned they've talked up the defense all offseason. It's now time to deliver or get the hell out.

I agree with you again. And I would add to that drafting and FA acquisitions suggest this team is expecting more out of its defense. I do think we are lacking a top-notch D coordinator to put us over the top. A LeBeau, a Gregg Williams, someone with credentials. Maybe if Dom Capers gets the ax he'll be interested in being a DC, although Houston has struggled under his direction.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I use to think so too

but they have nailed the last 2 stories about Denver so far

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to fontaine again.

Despite playing only one horrific quarter in Miami (with injuries) and one sub-par one against San Diego, this D was underperforming IMO. They have the talent to be a better unit especially against inferior O's (Miami) and at home. The bar should be higher for this D and it will have to be for this season to be a good one. Quit with the gimicks and start playing in your face defense.

Hey the way I call it, you are judged by what you do with what you've got.

There are other defenses that have argueably less talent than ours (at least on paper), Cincy, Skins, Jags, yet that doesn't stop them from playing great D. I'm not saying this applies now, but at the end of the season when we can take full stock of how the team did.

I think Coyer can build on the performance of the 2nd half against San Diego, but I'm sick of hearing about it, I just want to see the Defense do it again and again.

[westcliffe]

Originally posted by fontaine
Hey the way I call it, you are judged by what you do with what you've got.

There are other defenses that have argueably less talent than ours (at least on paper), Cincy, Skins, Jags, yet that doesn't stop them from playing great D. I'm not saying this applies now, but at the end of the season when we can take full stock of how the team did.

I think Coyer can build on the performance of the 2nd half against San Diego, but I'm sick of hearing about it, I just want to see the Defense do it again and again

Agreed, especially the part about this applying at the end of the season. Unless it gets really bad, I can't see a DC being fired this early in the season.

[westcliffe]

Heck, Shanahan stuck through the whole season with Ray Rhodes, he will with Coyer.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by fontaine

There are other defenses that have argueably less talent than ours (at least on paper), Cincy, Skins, Jags, yet that doesn't stop them from playing great D. I'm not saying this applies now, but at the end of the season when we can take full stock of how the team did.

Ironically Cincy is doing it with a few Bronco-castoffs. Although I do think James is a pretty good corner and a guy Denver would have liked to have held on to, he's no Bailey. They get by with lesser corners by pressuring the QB, as I have suggested this team should do. Instead, we draft 3 DBs a year.

Originally Posted by fontaine

I think Coyer can build on the performance of the 2nd half against San Diego, but I'm sick of hearing about it, I just want to see the Defense do it again and again.

Defense is about pressure and attitude and I don't think this team has quite figured that out. They played that way in the second half against San Diego, but other than its been missing even in 3 pretty good quarters of football against Miami.

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by westcliffe

Heck, Shanahan stuck through the whole season with Ray Rhodes, he will with Coyer.

I wouldn't be surprised either way....I thought the Slowik hiring was fishy to begin with and the PFT article followed by the DPO article on Sunday only support our suspicions.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by westcliffe

Agreed, especially the part about this applying at the end of the season. Unless it gets really bad, I can't see a DC being fired this early in the season.

Who's out there that could help? No offense to Slowick (the logical interim candidate) but he didn't exactly light it up in Green Bay last season. Bates would have been a nice offseason acquisition.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Ironically Cincy is doing it with a few Bronco-castoffs. Although I do think James is a pretty good corner and a guy Denver would have liked to have held on to, he's no Bailey. They get by with lesser corners by pressuring the QB, as I have suggested this team should do. Instead, we draft 3 DBs a year.


Defense is about pressure and attitude and I don't think this team has quite figured that out. They played that way in the second half against San Diego, but other than its been missing even in 3 pretty good quarters of football against Miami.

pressure is not the end all u think. good coverage is a lot more consistant than hoping to get in the qb's face everytime. pressure still rocks but I actually prefer good coverage and creativity upfront. then poor coverage and bulls up front.

[watermock]

Altho PFT seeths with hatred anything Bronco, he was right about Clarett, and evidently, there was some dissention after Miami as well, which is understandable. Even with corners depleted and Dayne inactive, we shouldn't of let what I consider an inferior offense lay 37 on us.

A couple qualifiers in Coyer's defense however. First, our secondary was totally depleted with a some inactives that would of played. Sam Brandon at corner isn't exactly exciting, altho he did hold up. Second, the field temperature was117 degrees and naturally, Miami wore white, while we played that very dark blue, and of course, Miami took the cooler sideline. I also didn't see very many coolspot fans on our sideline. Someone said there was only one. Yeah, Miami had to play in similar conditions but you can't overestimate the difference being acclimated to that heat/humidity/brutal sun makes.

Anderson went out with a rib injury, Q had been cut and Dayne was inactive. So...it's not like the D was getting any help from the offense with all those 3 and outs in that heat.

Finally, while Ferret was hot at QB, Plummer didn't complete a pass till the second quarter and clearly struggled.

I think both Champ at at least D-Will both have the speed and toughness to play man and really let the defense get agressive.

[kent156]

i think coyer and company have to realize every QB isn't peyton and trying to confuse every QB isn't going to work you have to just bring it sometimes, but will see how this plays out.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by kent156

i think coyer and company have to realize every QB isn't peyton and trying to confuse every QB isn't going to work you have to just bring it sometimes, but will see how this plays out.

I thot coyer was going to be fired because of him being uncreative.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I use to think so too

but they have nailed the last 2 stories about Denver so far

They have?

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Taco John

They have?

Maurice Clarett

and then players grumblign about Coyer after the Miami game

Post didn't break that story till the Sunday morning edition