Darrent Williams VS. Dante Hall - The Orange Mane

Atlas · 09-21-2005, 01:04 AM

I think this will be a great matchup. I think with Denver's improved punting this could be very interesting on which guy has the better game.

Any ideas?? I have none, I know this could be the matchup that decides the game though.

Sarcastro · 09-21-2005, 01:13 AM

It shouldn't be much a contest. Dante probably has a killword for his flawed clone.

Atlas · 09-21-2005, 01:17 AM

We'll see. They are identical in looks that's for sure. Of course Hall is an old man and well Williams is a young buck ready to strut his stuff in Primetime. I think this is going to be a very entertaing subplot of the game.

Ratboy · 09-21-2005, 01:24 AM

Darrent Williams has more to offer than Dante. I'm not just talking about Punt and Kick Returning. They play different positions, but Darrent has show his talent at cornerback. Dante Hall on the other hand is non existant at WR.

Sarcastro · 09-21-2005, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratboy

Darrent Williams has more to offer than Dante. I'm not just talking about Punt and Kick Returning. They play different positions, but Darrent has show his talent at cornerback. Dante Hall on the other hand is non existant at WR.

While Darrent at this point is just a very pale shadow at punt and kick returning compared to Dante.

Kaylore · 09-21-2005, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratboy

Darrent Williams has more to offer than Dante. I'm not just talking about Punt and Kick Returning. They play different positions, but Darrent has show his talent at cornerback. Dante Hall on the other hand is non existant at WR.

This is so true. It also appears that Darrent Williams is way more physical than Dante Hall.

Ratboy · 09-21-2005, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarcastro

While Darrent at this point is just a very pale shadow at punt and kick returning compared to Dante.

Thats what 3 very visable block in the backs will get you.

Kaylore · 09-21-2005, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarcastro

While Darrent at this point is just a very pale shadow at punt and kick returning compared to Dante.

Actually he's out-returned Dante this season, if I'm not mistaken.

Sarcastro · 09-21-2005, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Actually he's out-returned Dante this season, if I'm not mistaken.

He has out punt returned him so far. He hasn't on kick returns.

watermock · 09-21-2005, 01:31 AM

For pure elusiveness and a great stop and go move, Dante is still the best in the NFL...unfortunately, that style lends itself to alot of holding and illegal blocks in the back penalties, at least RECENTLY when some refs remembered to put in their contacts.

D-Will looks more like more of a cut and go returner, which can also be effective, but I think the fact Dante is a WR and DW a CB has some play in the different styles. I think DW is concentrating hardest right now at CB, and has been surprisingly solid...very surprising and solid tackler for his size. I'm more than happy to have him concentrating hardest on corner and let the return game come to him over a little time.

Denver also hasn't had very good blocking on returns at all. Not as much holding ect as KC, but just don't excell at it...or coverage.

Kaylore · 09-21-2005, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarcastro

He has out punt returned him so far. He hasn't on kick returns.

True. Kick returns were never his forte' whereas they are Dante's speciality. Corner punt returner Vs. Wideout Kickoff returner...Maybe we're actually comparing oranges to apples here on second thought...

Atlas · 09-21-2005, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarcastro

He has out punt returned him so far. He hasn't on kick returns.

He isn't really a kickoff returner so he'll have to get some reps before he is totally comfortable doing them.

Bronx33 · 09-21-2005, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

I think this will be a great matchup. I think with Denver's improved punting this could be very interesting on which guy has the better game.

Any ideas?? I have none, I know this could be the matchup that decides the game though.

According to bob their punter has some super power and can control the ball with his mind to determine how it lands.

Proof Caught on camera during the raiders game controlling a punt.

crazyhorse · 09-21-2005, 04:06 AM

I doubt seriously that Williams will own the Chiefs like Dante has owned the Donks.

Dante Hall has almost singlehandedly whipped the Donks every time they play.

Florida_Bronco · 09-21-2005, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyhorse

I doubt seriously that Williams will own the Chiefs like Dante has owned the Donks.

Dante Hall has almost singlehandedly whipped the Donks every time they play.

With the exception of the game @KC in 2003 (3 illegal blocks in the back) and last year @KC...I don't think Dante has done all that much against us.

OrangeShadow · 09-21-2005, 04:41 AM

If dante gets return yards without scoring or hurting us bad ill be happy.(hes on my ff team were kick return yards count)

AlienBronco · 09-21-2005, 05:14 AM

I will only will say this once! Punter better show some directional punting, and keep the ball away from Hall. Our I will call for his head, and ask to bring Ernster back

jspchief · 09-21-2005, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratboy

Darrent Williams has more to offer than Dante. I'm not just talking about Punt and Kick Returning. They play different positions, but Darrent has show his talent at cornerback. Dante Hall on the other hand is non existant at WR.

Sorry, but this statement is absurd. What the hell has Darrent Williams done in the NFL to prove he's more talented? He's played in two freaking games! Maybe somewhere down the road, he'll be a better CB than Dante is a WR, but as of right now you're imagining things.

As for Dante being non existant as a WR.... Did the 125 yards receiving he had against Denver in that '03 game not exist either? Dante Hall has done more against Denver in one game than Williams will do against KC in his entire short career.

As for running kicks back, I don't expect Hall to have the success he's had in past years. We don't have the wedge that we once had, and Vermeil has gotten really conservative with what Hall is allowed to return. He's still shifty as hell, but if guys aren'tt opening holes, it doesn't matter.

AlienBronco · 09-21-2005, 05:42 AM

"As for Dante being non existant as a WR.... Did the 125 yards receiving he had against Denver in that '03 game not exist either? Dante Hall has done more against Denver in one game than Williams will do against KC in his entire short career."

It's his skill as a kick and punt returner I respect, with it he can change the momentum of a game.

-Slap- · 09-21-2005, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

As for running kicks back, I don't expect Hall to have the success he's had in past years. We don't have the wedge that we once had, and Vermeil has gotten really conservative with what Hall is allowed to return. He's still shifty as hell, but if guys aren'tt opening holes, it doesn't matter.

Translation: The refs have started flagging blatant clips.

Spider · 09-21-2005, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Sorry, but this statement is absurd. What the hell has Darrent Williams done in the NFL to prove he's more talented? He's played in two freaking games! Maybe somewhere down the road, he'll be a better CB than Dante is a WR, but as of right now you're imagining things.

He isnt entirely wrong , while most and amped over the Punt return Williams had , Me i was amped over Williams Jumping a Route on a expierenced Reciever . damn near getting the rock , say what you will but for a rook that shows great anticipation , he was aware of where he was on the field , and he understood his coverage ......
It wasnt luck , it was a good pass from Brees , if it had been an errent pass , over thrown ball , then I wouldnt be as excited about Williams ........

Ratboy · 09-21-2005, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Dante Hall has done more against Denver in one game than Williams will do against KC in his entire short career.

Talk about absurd.

ØrangeÇrush · 09-21-2005, 06:21 AM

I wonder...

Was the ref that should have seen the block in the back, paying to much attention to the kicking unit? Maybe he was making sure that KC's kicker didn't come out on the field..cause you know thats a priority. Illegal blocks in the back...bah.....but teammates getting ready for the next....thats just insane.

HitEmCold · 09-21-2005, 06:35 AM

I am looking forward to williams and Champ at the corners for years to come.

ØrangeÇrush · 09-21-2005, 06:45 AM

Back to the topic..

I love what Darrent Williams can do, but Dante Hall is a proven commodity at KR/PR. I'd give Williams the edge on what he can do defensively vs what Dante can do offensively.

09-21-2005, 01:04 AM	#1
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Darrent Williams VS. Dante Hall I think this will be a great matchup. I think with Denver's improved punting this could be very interesting on which guy has the better game. Any ideas?? I have none, I know this could be the matchup that decides the game though.

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09-21-2005, 01:13 AM	#2
Sarcastro Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 890	It shouldn't be much a contest. Dante probably has a killword for his flawed clone.

09-21-2005, 01:17 AM	#3
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	We'll see. They are identical in looks that's for sure. Of course Hall is an old man and well Williams is a young buck ready to strut his stuff in Primetime. I think this is going to be a very entertaing subplot of the game.

09-21-2005, 01:24 AM	#4
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	Darrent Williams has more to offer than Dante. I'm not just talking about Punt and Kick Returning. They play different positions, but Darrent has show his talent at cornerback. Dante Hall on the other hand is non existant at WR.

09-21-2005, 01:31 AM	#10
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	For pure elusiveness and a great stop and go move, Dante is still the best in the NFL...unfortunately, that style lends itself to alot of holding and illegal blocks in the back penalties, at least RECENTLY when some refs remembered to put in their contacts. D-Will looks more like more of a cut and go returner, which can also be effective, but I think the fact Dante is a WR and DW a CB has some play in the different styles. I think DW is concentrating hardest right now at CB, and has been surprisingly solid...very surprising and solid tackler for his size. I'm more than happy to have him concentrating hardest on corner and let the return game come to him over a little time. Denver also hasn't had very good blocking on returns at all. Not as much holding ect as KC, but just don't excell at it...or coverage.

09-21-2005, 04:06 AM	#14
crazyhorse All Motor!! You can only hope to contain me Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,338	I doubt seriously that Williams will own the Chiefs like Dante has owned the Donks. Dante Hall has almost singlehandedly whipped the Donks every time they play.

09-21-2005, 04:41 AM	#16
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	If dante gets return yards without scoring or hurting us bad ill be happy.(hes on my ff team were kick return yards count)

09-21-2005, 05:14 AM	#17
AlienBronco Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Not far enough from the Hurricane Belt! Posts: 456	I will only will say this once! Punter better show some directional punting, and keep the ball away from Hall. Our I will call for his head, and ask to bring Ernster back

09-21-2005, 05:42 AM	#19
AlienBronco Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Not far enough from the Hurricane Belt! Posts: 456	"As for Dante being non existant as a WR.... Did the 125 yards receiving he had against Denver in that '03 game not exist either? Dante Hall has done more against Denver in one game than Williams will do against KC in his entire short career." It's his skill as a kick and punt returner I respect, with it he can change the momentum of a game.

09-21-2005, 06:21 AM	#23
ØrangeÇrush Aaaayh!!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,371	I wonder... Was the ref that should have seen the block in the back, paying to much attention to the kicking unit? Maybe he was making sure that KC's kicker didn't come out on the field..cause you know thats a priority. Illegal blocks in the back...bah.....but teammates getting ready for the next....thats just insane.

09-21-2005, 06:35 AM	#24
HitEmCold Gold sucks, I know...now! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ky Posts: 199 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brandon Stokley	I am looking forward to williams and Champ at the corners for years to come.

09-21-2005, 06:45 AM	#25
ØrangeÇrush Aaaayh!!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,371	Back to the topic.. I love what Darrent Williams can do, but Dante Hall is a proven commodity at KR/PR. I'd give Williams the edge on what he can do defensively vs what Dante can do offensively.