1,900 Dead – And The Truth We Dare Not Speak

[bendog]

oh no don't critcize the potus.

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion//...=55587&ntpid=0

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by bendog

oh no don't critcize the potus.

http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion//...=55587&ntpid=0

"Bombing a sovereign nation for ill-defined reasons with vague objectives undermines the American stature in the world. The international respect and trust for America has diminished every time we casually let the bombs fly. We must stop giving the appearance that our foreign policy is formulated by the Unabomber."

"There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the president started this thing, and there still is no plan today."

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Mary Long is a hypocrite
She does all the things that she tells us not to do
Selling filth from a corner shop
And knitting patterns to the high street queue
She paints roses, even makes them smell good
And then she draws titties on the khazy wall
Drowns kittens just to get a thrill
And writes sermons in the Sunday Chronicle
How did you lose your virginity, Mary Long ?
When will you lose your stupidity, Mary Long ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." Teddy Roosevelt

Superior, my ass. Like Teddy said, "...morally treasonable."

Looks like Teddy was right on...

Bush makes decisions that directly affect you that you have no control over. This makes him you practical superior. He is your boss in a way. Whether they are right or wrong doesnt make him any less of your boss. I have strong feelings of opposition regarding some of the things that Bush has done. I can appreciate other things that he has done though as well. As my superior, he deserves to be respected despite my opposition. It's simple civility.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Looks like Teddy was right on...

Bush makes decisions that directly affect you that you have no control over. This makes him you practical superior. He is your boss in a way. Whether they are right or wrong doesnt make him any less of your boss. I have strong feelings of opposition regarding some of the things that Bush has done. I can appreciate other things that he has done though as well. As my superior, he deserves to be respected despite my opposition. It's simple civility.

I don't see anywhere that Teddy says you have to respect a liar. And when someone is shown to be a liar that has sent the country to war based on those lies he doesn't deserve ANY respect. As a public servant he should be held accountable to these crimes. Sure isn't my boss but just a piss poor ambassador of our country to the rest of the world.

Care to name these things he's done well?

[bendog]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I don't see anywhere that Teddy says you have to respect a liar. And when someone is shown to be a liar that has sent the country to war based on those lies he doesn't deserve ANY respect. As a public servant he should be held accountable to these crimes. Sure isn't my boss but just a piss poor ambassador of our country to the rest of the world.

Care to name these things he's done well?

His initial moves to cut spending and taxes were good ideas, as well as the notion of moving to more personal savings. Unfortunately he didn't follow up. In retrospect, Gore's idea of basically rebating the surplus in the form of tax credits for people putting money into IRAs was what we should have done.

Where he came undone was after 9-11. He took an attack by a politically savvy anarchist, and as a response opted to try to something with grandure... something no other potus had done.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Looks like Teddy was right on...

Bush makes decisions that directly affect you that you have no control over. This makes him you practical superior. He is your boss in a way. Whether they are right or wrong doesnt make him any less of your boss. I have strong feelings of opposition regarding some of the things that Bush has done. I can appreciate other things that he has done though as well. As my superior, he deserves to be respected despite my opposition. It's simple civility.

You have every right to speak for yourself. If you want to consider that individual your boss, you are free to do so. I consider that viewpoint symbolic of the "wimpification" of America which will, at some point, sell this country down the river to tyranny. The original design was that American citizens were the bosses and those in government were the public servants. Like George Washington pointed out, he considered the return to civilian status, after being POTUS, a promotion. If enough Americans accept the view that they are some kind of sheep and that elected officials are their superiors, that's pretty much the death knell for this republic, just like it was for Rome.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Looks like Teddy was right on...

Bush makes decisions that directly affect you that you have no control over. This makes him you practical superior. He is your boss in a way. Whether they are right or wrong doesnt make him any less of your boss. I have strong feelings of opposition regarding some of the things that Bush has done. I can appreciate other things that he has done though as well. As my superior, he deserves to be respected despite my opposition. It's simple civility.

You're kidding, right? "We the people" are Bush's boss, not vice versa. When he screws up, I'm not going to be mamby-pamby about it, nor should anyone else. He is not owed civility when he makes poor decisions on behalf of his employers that cost some of them their lives.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

If enough Americans accept the view that they are some kind of sheep and that elected officials are their superiors, that's pretty much the death knell for this republic, just like it was for Rome.

Anticipated response from AngryDramaQueen:

"Baaaaaaaaa!"



Sorry - I guess I'm just a little giddy over the DeLay indictment.

[gunns]

Civility has it's place. Too bad it's not in Iraq.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

You're kidding, right? "We the people" are Bush's boss, not vice versa. When he screws up, I'm not going to be mamby-pamby about it, nor should anyone else. He is not owed civility when he makes poor decisions on behalf of his employers that cost some of them their lives.

You are living in a dream world if you think that "we the people" are in any way anyones boss outside of our own workplace. You have bought into the pie in the sky.

[enjolras]

Originally Posted by angryllama

You are living in a dream world if you think that "we the people" are in any way anyones boss outside of our own workplace. You have bought into the pie in the sky.

WOW...

WOW..

*wipes eyes*

WOW...

230 years of Americanism kicked to curb in two sentences..*sighs*

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by enjolras

WOW...

WOW..

*wipes eyes*

WOW...

230 years of Americanism kicked to curb in two sentences..*sighs*

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

W*GS to the court-appointed pinhead's rescue - right on schedule.

Ok, we get it, he's a shill for Bush...now answer his question.

If you truly can, that is................

[errand]

Originally Posted by gunns

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

I'm amazed at how those that refer to Bush as Hitler and our troops as Nazis can quote the words of Nazi thugs and murderers so accurately.

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

"Fascism should more properly be called ‘corporatism,' since it is the marriage of government and corporate power."

- Benito Mussolini, describing the form of government currently championed in America by W*GS and the Bush lemmings

...again, another Facist quoted. I bet you clowns have these quotes laminated huh?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by errand

...again, another Facist(sic) quoted. I bet you clowns have these quotes laminated huh?

Um, let's go slow for Cletus:

The kind of government you support = the kind of government Mussolini describes.

That makes you the fascist.

[errand]

Originally Posted by bendog

naw, the military guys I know just want to come home.

Amazing...because the guys and gals I've talked to that have served and are currently serving over there have but one real gripe...that we take off the velvet gloves and kick some serious ass. They love the line "the next time an Iraqi city is refered to as Holy...let's make sure it actually has some freaking holes in it"

You need to see thru LABF and his cronies bull****....they despise the military, and they silently rejoice when any of our troops are killed because they figure that more troops killed = Bush out of the White House. With friends like him, who the hell needs enemies?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by errand

I'm amazed at how those that refer to Bush as Hitler and our troops as Nazis can quote the words of Nazi thugs and murderers so accurately.

Still amazed by the awesome power of the Internet and Google, are you?

BTW, are you ever going to man up and provide some quotes to back your claim that someone called the troops "Nazi thugs and murderers?"

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's sick of waiting for you to put up or shut up.

You make Rush Limbaugh sound like Alan Alda.

[errand]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

If you could tear yourself away from your Bush smooching ways for just a minute you'd know I was calling for MORE troops almost 2 years ago so we could have done this in the correct way (if there is such a thing, so we could better protect our forces there and control the country until they could do it themselves). Either that or get out altogether.

so tell us how sending more troops would enable us to succeed when you've stated that all they'd have to do is wait us out anyways? You only want more troops sent over so you can make numerous crap like Bush had to send more troops because his plan was stupid. Or that the sending of more troops proves we aren't winning the war on terror.

But I think the real reason you wanted more troops sent was so the casualty rate would increase...because you liberals love it whenever there is a failure or scandal in the military...which explains why the only time you clowns mention them is either when posting crap about the death toll, Abu Graib, or Getmo

[errand]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Expecting failure and hoping for it are two different things.

I have to ask why any American would "expect" us to fail at anything, when history shows we very rarely do. then again, your a liberal, and failure is acceptable in your world because the biggest failures are highly respected in your inner circle.

Jimmy Carter , arguably the worst president ever, and if not that, then at the least the worst in our lifetime....well respected by liberals everywhere.

Howard Dean, couldn't even win one state in the Dem primary....now runs the DNC.

Ted Kennedy has brought more embarrassment on not only the Kennedy name, but the Democrat party as well.....one of the most respected men in your liberal world.

Either way, expecting failure or hoping for it....it's un-American.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by errand

They love the line "the next time an Iraqi city is refered to as Holy...let's make sure it actually has some freaking holes in it"

Gee, that's a really smart foreign policy - especially when you are trying to sell people in the Middle East on the idea of democracy.

Did you think this up all by yourself, or did you have help?

In any event, we already know Cletus couldn't care less about democracy - he's just another fake "Christian" who's rooting for "death to all Muslims" and for the covert cruelty of "compassionate conservatism."

He hitched his wagon to the Smirk & Sneer train because it gave him a way to institutionalize his bigotry and hatred.

Originally Posted by errand

You need to see thru LABF and his cronies bull****....they despise the military, and they silently rejoice when any of our troops are killed because they figure that more troops killed = Bush out of the White House. With friends like him, who the hell needs enemies?

Cletus just keeps working the same asinine equations:

Criticim of Bush's Iraq policy/bogus case for invading Iraq and getting >1,900 Americans killed = "hatred of the troops and hatred of America."

Objecting to the idea of Americans torturing, raping, and murdering children for the camera = "hatred of the troops and hatred of America."

By now, most third-grade children can see through the ridiculous propaganda Cletus is peddling.

[errand]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I don't see anywhere that Teddy says you have to respect a liar. And when someone is shown to be a liar that has sent the country to war based on those lies he doesn't deserve ANY respect. As a public servant he should be held accountable to these crimes. Sure isn't my boss but just a piss poor ambassador of our country to the rest of the world.

Care to name these things he's done well?

I find it odd that your quoting Teddy Roosevelt and then calling Bush a liar who sent this country into a war based on his lies....or have you forgotten how Teddy sent us into the Spanish-American War.

Allegedly the USS Maine was not blown up by Spain...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by errand

I have to ask why any American would "expect" us to fail at anything, when history shows we very rarely do.

You have to ask because you don't seem to understand that your pResident and the civilians running America's Iraq policy are a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, fanatical, ideologically-driven idiots.

You have to ask because, like the dry drunk, you refuse to acknowledge facts and evidence.

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Still amazed by the awesome power of the Internet and Google, are you?

BTW, are you ever going to man up and provide some quotes to back your claim that someone called the troops "Nazi thugs and murderers?"

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's sick of waiting for you to put up or shut up.

You make Rush Limbaugh sound like Alan Alda.

Senator Dick Turban referred to our troops running Getmo as Nazis and murderous thugs like Pol Pot....you didn't denounce him, in fact you expelled alot of effort in defending him ....that would tell any sane person that you agree withn Senator Turban's assessment.

[errand]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

You have to ask because you don't seem to understand that your pResident and the civilians running America's Iraq policy are a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, fanatical, ideologically-driven idiots.

You have to ask because, like the dry drunk, you refuse to acknowledge facts and evidence.

Actually I know why some Americans always expect failure...because they're liberals...and that's the way of life for them. They expect failure because they themselves are nothing but failures. They moan and groan about life giving them lemons and never think to make lemonade out of it.