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Old 09-16-2005, 09:14 AM   #1
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Does anyone recall on September 21, 1995 the Indian Diety Ganesh, which is a statue of an elephant heads on a man's body, started to drink milk worldwide. The statue, some the size of a G.I. Joe figurine, would drink milk from a teaspoon up to a five gallon bucket. This occured all over the world, including England, the USA, and all over Asia.

For those who do not believe, here is a link to video of it:

http://www.milkmiracle.com/html/miracle.html


What I can't believe is, how little coverage the miracle received. I witnessed this act in PERSON. An Indian family lived in my neighborhood and I was good friends with their son and I went over to their house and watched it happen myself. I brushed off because I was so young, but now that I think about it, does this prove God exists? This happened all over the world.






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Does anyone recall on September 21, 1995 the Indian Diety Ganesh, which is a statue of an elephant heads on a man's body, started to drink milk worldwide. The statue, some the size of a G.I. Joe figurine, would drink milk from a teaspoon up to a five gallon bucket. This occured all over the world, including England, the USA, and all over Asia.

For those who do not believe, here is a link to video of it:

http://www.milkmiracle.com/html/miracle.html


What I can't believe is, how little coverage the miracle received. I witnessed this act in PERSON. An Indian family lived in my neighborhood and I was good friends with their son and I went over to their house and watched it happen myself. I brushed off because I was so young, but now that I think about it, does this prove God exists? This happened all over the world.






What do you guys think? I would really like OrangeAthiest's take on this...
the proof there is a God is in our existance.

this only provides proof that there is a spritual realm inside this creation.
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That video only confirms one thing for me...that's that I love Indian people. Great people.
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the proof there is a God is in our existance.

this only provides proof that there is a spritual realm inside this creation.
Could you elaborate?
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12 They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, "You shall not do this."
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Could you elaborate?
do you think a creator of the universe would choose to show proof of his existance in a milk drinking idol?

no. his proof is in the creation.

"19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

God is also spiritual and has created spiritual beings.

so if this is really happening, and it is not a hoax, then it must spiritually inspired.
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12 They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, "You shall not do this."
Okay, so you quote the Bible. Now, what do you think of a statue drinking milk. A phenemenon that happened all over the world. Somebody made that statue drink, who do you think did it?
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And why did this get little to no press in the United States? That is what I can't get over.
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Okay, so you quote the Bible. Now, what do you think of a statue drinking milk. A phenemenon that happened all over the world. Somebody made that statue drink, who do you think did it?
Moses performed signs and wonders. As did the magicians of Pharaoh.
Jesus performed great signs and miracles.
There is no doubt this is a phenom, but the source of where it is coming from is the question.

the God of the Bible, the God that Moses and Jesus gave honor to said not to have idols. I would not thinks this is from Him...

however, your next argument is if the God of the Bible is truly God
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And why did this get little to no press in the United States? That is what I can't get over.
honestly, i think people would chalk it up as crazy talk. i think people would think it belongs in the tabloids...
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Moses performed signs and wonders. As did the magicians of Pharaoh.
Jesus performed great signs and miracles.
There is no doubt this is a phenom, but the source of where it is coming from is the question.

the God of the Bible, the God that Moses and Jesus gave honor to said not to have idols. I would not thinks this is from Him...

however, your next argument is if the God of the Bible is truly God
But this wasn't "one person" performing wonders. These were statues all across the world performing the same miracle, drinking milk. Westerners and Easterners saw the same miracle. Who made the statue drink milk?
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But this wasn't "one person" performing wonders. These were statues all across the world performing the same miracle, drinking milk. Westerners and Easterners saw the same miracle. Who made the statue drink milk?
Im a skeptic, you've gotta come up with more than that. Even the Catholic church rigorously investigates it's miracles.
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honestly, i think people would chalk it up as crazy talk. i think people would think it belongs in the tabloids...
I don't see how this could be attributed to crazy talk as you say. One female white reporter from England fed the statue herself and reported it on TV to English people all across the UK. Same thing happened in LA but only on a smaller TV station there. How could this be crazy talk when there are literally millions of eyewitnesses AND video proof of what happened from believers and non-believers.
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But this wasn't "one person" performing wonders. These were statues all across the world performing the same miracle, drinking milk. Westerners and Easterners saw the same miracle. Who made the statue drink milk?
this does not change that this is spiritually inspired.

if you go off the Bible, this is not from God. This type of phenom is from his fallen angels.

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I don't see how this could be attributed to crazy talk as you say. One female white reporter from England fed the statue herself and reported it on TV to English people all across the UK. Same thing happened in LA but only on a smaller TV station there. How could this be crazy talk when there are literally millions of eyewitnesses AND video proof of what happened from believers and non-believers.
whether it be true or not, seriously, how absurd does it sound?

an idol drinking milk. why milk? why an idol with an elephant head?

it sounds absurd.
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whether it be true or not, seriously, how absurd does it sound?

an idol drinking milk. why milk? why an idol with an elephant head?

it sounds absurd.
Exactly I just dont see God trying to get everyones attention with a elephant drinking milk. I would be quicker to suspect the local dairy producers
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Im a skeptic, you've gotta come up with more than that. Even the Catholic church rigorously investigates it's miracles.
I could see if this happened in one temple in a small city in India. But this happened all ACROSS THE WORLD! And I saw it with my OWN EYES. Nobody can tell me what I did and didn't see and I am not even religous. I was just thinking about that incident today and I looked it up on the Internet and I was amazed at how little the Western Press took to the story.

I wonder why...
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whether it be true or not, seriously, how absurd does it sound?

an idol drinking milk. why milk? why an idol with an elephant head?

it sounds absurd.
Yeah...it really does. Why didnt it drink water or grape kool-aid?
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Exactly I just dont see God trying to get everyones attention with a elephant drinking milk. I would be quicker to suspect the local dairy producers

Yeah, I saw that money changing hands in the video!
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I could see if this happened in one temple in a small city in India. But this happened all ACROSS THE WORLD! And I saw it with my OWN EYES. Nobody can tell me what I did and didn't see and I am not even religous. I was just thinking about that incident today and I looked it up on the Internet and I was amazed at how little the Western Press took to the story.

I wonder why...
over 500 eye witnesses saw the resurrected body of Christ. thousands saw Christ's miracles. His story has stood the test of time and has converted many many people. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and millions of people will attest that they have experienced a phenom in their lives that provides proof to his statements. People were being put to death and still are today for following Christ's path - but their faith is not swayed even at the sight of death. Yet, even with all this evidence, many still choose to chalk it up as "crazy talk"

so either this is a credible story and the truth, or they are indeed crazy, as is the milk drinking idol witnesses.
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over 500 eye witnesses saw the resurrected body of Christ. thousands saw Christ's miracles. His story has stood the test of time and has converted many many people. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and millions of people will attest that they have experienced a phenom in their lives that provides proof to his statements. People were being put to death and still are today for following Christ's path. Yet, even with all this evidence, many still choose to chalk it up as "crazy talk"

so either this is a credible story and the truth, or they are indeed crazy, as is the milk drinking idol witnesses.
I think we deny our common sense sometimes when it does not agree with our own worldview. No one can deny this incident happened because as a human being, what more proof could you want to say this miracle happened? You want eyewitnesses, you got millions of them. You want eyewitnesses who are not believers, you got those too. You want video proof, you have it aswell. Did it happen in one city in a far off distant land, no, it happened all across the "civlizied" world as well.
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I think we deny our common sense sometimes when it does not agree with our own worldview. No one can deny this incident happened because as a human being, what more proof could you want to say this miracle happened? You want eyewitnesses, you got millions of them. You want eyewitnesses who are not believers, you got those too. You want video proof, you have it aswell. Did it happen in one city in a far off distant land, no, it happened all across the "civlizied" world as well.
i don't disagree with you. i believed the drinking milk phenom happened. though, i also believe that Christ is the Son of God. the same logic that is used to deny Christ as being the Son of God, is the same logic that denys this milk phenom - it just sounds too far out there from our world view. thus, i concur.
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I think we deny our common sense sometimes when it does not agree with our own worldview. No one can deny this incident happened because as a human being, what more proof could you want to say this miracle happened? You want eyewitnesses, you got millions of them. You want eyewitnesses who are not believers, you got those too. You want video proof, you have it aswell. Did it happen in one city in a far off distant land, no, it happened all across the "civlizied" world as well.
Not sure I would classify a elephant statue drinking milk as a "miracle" but thats just me.
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NEW YORK: Even in cynical, hard-edged New York, the miracle was happening. The milk was actually disappearing. Manisha Lund, a young college student, went to the Hindu temple in Queens, and says it was a virtual stampede. When she offered milk to Lord Ganesha, "It was sucked up, like someone was drinking it with a straw." Many devotees were able to feed Nandi, Lord Siva's mount, and also the Naga or snake. Ganesha seemed to be in a whimsical mood: sometimes He refused the spoonfuls offered by devotees and slurped up that given by non-believers. At the Hindu temple in Flushing, a young African-American woman who is not a Hindu but loves Hindu philosophy wondered aloud whether Siva would accept her offering. She extended her spoon and before the eyes of many worshippers, the milk disappeared into Siva's mouth. Tales of faith and joy were repeated in many homes and offices where devotees offered milk to idols of stone, brass and silver. Young people seemed to have better luck, and delighted in the miracle: Pummy Singh, 14, called Indra, her mother, at work and gave her the exciting news: Ganesha had taken the milk three times from her and her friends. Such was the frenzy that it was hard to gain entrance into the crowded temples, even at 2:00 in the morning. Romanee Kalicharan, 15, reports, "When I tried, Ganesha and Shivji weren't taking, but the Naga took from me. I also gave to Nandi, and He took it from me. Little by little, you see it disappearing. I had my hand underneath, and it was totally dry. So where could the milk go? I think it's a sign from God." Lavina Melwani, New York

CANADA: The phenomenon began following the 7:30 pm puja, Friday and continued unabated until about 11:45 pm Sunday the 24th at the Edmonton Ganesha temple. The atmosphere around the Ganesha murthi was scintillating. Devotees approached, bowed and offered their prayers and a spoonful of milk. They ran the gamut from sari-clad pious elderly ladies supported on either side to gum-chewing teens in black leather jackets. I simply can't explain what happened to the milk. It would visibly "wick" up from the spoon to the surface of the stone of the trunk. Spoonful after spoonful was absorbed, sometimes as quickly as one could count to three, usually in 20 seconds. At the conservative rate of two teaspoons per minute for 51.5 hours (milk was offered continuously), some 7.7 US gallons of milk were taken up. I could see no significant amount of milk around the Ganesha murthi. Of course, with the number of devotees and dripping spoons, Ganesha's garments became wet on the same side as his trunk, but this didn't begin to account for the volume of milk offered. I was forced to conclude that we were all witnessing something that we could not logically explain. Aran Veylan, Edmonton

LOS ANGELES: "One of the devotees received a phone call from India about the miracle," recalls Bharat Shastri, priest of the Hindu temple in Norwalk. By evening he had received 600 phone calls. There was a general air of skepticism here and at other temples in Los Angeles. Only a few devotees had their milk offerings taken by Ganesha at Norwalk. Nothing extraordinary happened at the Sri Venkateshwara Temple in Calabasas, where milk was offered only by the priests. At the Chatsworth temple, the miracle seemed to have happened big time. "On Thursday morning, temple president Dinesh Lakhanpal offered milk. It disappeared. Then I offered more, and that too disappeared," said Ravi Sharan, vice president of the temple. CNN and local TV channels came and the miracle reportedly happened for them. "One reporter, Sharon Tae of Channel 5, was so excited she hugged me with tears in her eyes," said Sharan. Archana Dongre, Los Angeles
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