Our D schemes?

[azbroncfan]

This is the same D we have put on the field last couple years. I'm not the biggest Coyer fan. His blitzing packages are predictable and we still cannot get pressure. Coyer is all talk and no show on the field. He always has sayings and motto's but the D never lives up to hype. This could be another career year for QB;s playing against denver broncos.

[Broncoman13]

His schems (blitz's) suck b/c he drops a DL into coverage in order to blitz a LB. The concept of overload his completely lost!

[bloodsunday]

You know what? It was 6 - 3 at half time. Brown had something like 9 rushing yards at half time.

I can't even begin to pick on the defense until I manage to get through all the problems on offense, which may take all week. The defense did just about everything we wanted them to do. They got turnovers. They stiffened in the redzone. They kept us in the game until midway through the 3rd quarter. They kept us in the game with a safety playing corner.

The only thing they didn't do well was pressure the QB, but that was in large part because Miami didn't let us. They through a ton of short routes early in the game to neutralize our aggressiveness.

No complaints here about the D, at least not yet.

[Broncoman13]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

You know what? It was 6 - 3 at half time. Brown had something like 9 rushing yards at half time.

I can't even begin to pick on the defense until I manage to get through all the problems on offense, which may take all week. The defense did just about everything we wanted them to do. They got turnovers. They stiffened in the redzone. They kept us in the game until midway through the 3rd quarter. They kept us in the game with a safety playing corner.

The only thing they didn't do well was pressure the QB, but that was in large part because Miami didn't let us. They through a ton of short routes early in the game to neutralize our aggressiveness.

No complaints here about the D, at least not yet.

All good points and I agree, but I'm still frustrated with the psuedo blitzes.

[x123z]

A lot of the D's problems stem from having to play most of the game. I hate Ray Lewis, but I wish we had someone to fire up our players like he does.

[Mastermind2002]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

The only thing they didn't do well was pressure the QB, but that was in large part because Miami didn't let us. They through a ton of short routes early in the game to neutralize our aggressiveness.

Any reasons for why we couldn't do the same against them?

[Mastermind2002]

Originally Posted by x123z

A lot of the D's problems stem from having to play most of the game. I hate Ray Lewis, but I wish we had someone to fire up our players like he does.

It doesn't matter if you bring in Ray Lewis or not. If the D is on the field too long, it's going to get worn out. The Ravens have a better D than the Broncos and they got worn out as the Colts eventually picked them apart. You can't give Manning that many chances to score and NOT score yourselves.

[jayman_37]

we weren't able to even go into nickel package in the second half at times. So some times we had Ian Gold trying to matchup with their slot receiver. That's not exactly a favorable matchup for us. Lenny Walls couldn't run with Marty Booker at all because of his cramps. This game is just something that happens to everyone. Even the mighty Patriots lost to Miami last year.

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by azbroncfan

This is the same D we have put on the field last couple years. I'm not the biggest Coyer fan. His blitzing packages are predictable and we still cannot get pressure. Coyer is all talk and no show on the field. He always has sayings and motto's but the D never lives up to hype. This could be another career year for QB;s playing against denver broncos.

Again, what the hell are you talking about? Miami had a TON of Max protection schemes and ONLY really started taking advantage of the game when Champ, Lenny, and Darrent were all sitting on the sidelines! There was one Big Play where Lenny Walls should not have been in the game, and Lynch was caught off guard by the snap count. That's it.

If you think this was the defenses fault you need to check your self. They held Miami down until 5 Min left in the third Q, then the Flood gates opened when Jake reverted to his poor decision making self and Ernster KO'd out of bounds.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by Mastermind2002

Any reasons for why we couldn't do the same against them?

Damn good question. I think primarily because A) it wasn't our game plan and we clearly can't adjust and B) I'm not sure we have the personnel to execute it. Honestly I think Miami has a better corp of receivers (across the board) than we do (Boston, Booker, and Chambers). McMichael is no slouch either. In the past our OL seems to really struggle with that kind of play and we end up with a lot of balls that are tipped and intercepted. I think Miami plays their DBs closer to the line of scrimmage as well. I was a bit surprised at how far off the line our Corners played. They probably had a lot respect for Miami's WR.

But that approach certainly would have been a good one to try.

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Mastermind2002

Any reasons for why we couldn't do the same against them?

Jake Plummer

[noom]

We have schemes?

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Damn good question. I think primarily because A) it wasn't our game plan and we clearly can't adjust and B) I'm not sure we have the personnel to execute it. Honestly I think Miami has a better corp of receivers (across the board) than we do (Boston, Booker, and Chambers). McMichael is no slouch either. In the past our OL seems to really struggle with that kind of play and we end up with a lot of balls that are tipped and intercepted. I think Miami plays their DBs closer to the line of scrimmage as well. I was a bit surprised at how far off the line our Corners played. They probably had a lot respect for Miami's WR.

But that approach certainly would have been a good one to try.

Actually, the Lack of Shanahan to use ANY form Of Max Protection to get the ball Downfield constantly or just to complete any THIRD Down would be a crime. He consistently want to send 5 into patterns and I think it makes Jake read a too Much. Miami did a great job of Clogging the Middle on Blitzes and using TE's and RB's to pick up the edge blitzers.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by Mediator12

Actually, the Lack of Shanahan to use ANY form Of Max Protection to get the ball Downfield constantly or just to complete any THIRD Down would be a crime. He consistently want to send 5 into patterns and I think it makes Jake read a too Much. Miami did a great job of Clogging the Middle on Blitzes and using TE's and RB's to pick up the edge blitzers.

I just don't understand why a coaching staff with as much experience and talent as our could not adjust. It reminded me of Fonzie as the headcoach in the Water Boy.

[Mastermind2002]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Damn good question. I think primarily because A) it wasn't our game plan and we clearly can't adjust and B) I'm not sure we have the personnel to execute it. Honestly I think Miami has a better corp of receivers (across the board) than we do (Boston, Booker, and Chambers). McMichael is no slouch either. In the past our OL seems to really struggle with that kind of play and we end up with a lot of balls that are tipped and intercepted. I think Miami plays their DBs closer to the line of scrimmage as well. I was a bit surprised at how far off the line our Corners played. They probably had a lot respect for Miami's WR.

But that approach certainly would have been a good one to try.

I'm starting to believe that Shanahan has lost his ability to adjust to what the opponent does on D.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by Mastermind2002

I'm starting to believe that Shanahan has lost his ability to adjust to what the opponent does on D.

What's worse, I think he believes that his schemes are infallible. Our offense has been leaking oil for a while now, despite the top-10 yardage honor. We are horrid in the redzone and third down. We have not been able to dominate or take control of any game where the opposing defense has an even mediocre defense. The only thing this offense has going for it is that it puts up a lot of yards. The problem is that points are all that matters. No one cares how many yards you put up.

That's why I say that I am very disappointed about Shanahan's inability (or unwillingness) to adapt and change. This has been apparent from both a personnel and game plan perspective.

[Broncoman13]

Originally Posted by Mediator12

Again, what the hell are you talking about? Miami had a TON of Max protection schemes and ONLY really started taking advantage of the game when Champ, Lenny, and Darrent were all sitting on the sidelines! There was one Big Play where Lenny Walls should not have been in the game, and Lynch was caught off guard by the snap count. That's it.

If you think this was the defenses fault you need to check your self. They held Miami down until 5 Min left in the third Q, then the Flood gates opened when Jake reverted to his poor decision making self and Ernster KO'd out of bounds.

Excellent points. This team isn't nearly as bad as they showed yesterday. You can't say for sure, but if Bailey doesn't get hurt (field related) and Walls and DWill don't miss time b/c of fatigue/cramps/heat we probably stay in that game until the end. The max protection is another good point... but what exactly is the point of sending a LB on a blitz so that you can drop a DE into coverage. Again, the concept of overload has been missed by Coyer!

[broncosteven]

I didn't like that Coyer kept bringing the Blitz & it kept getting picked up. Coyer obviously thought that he could pressure Gus into mistakes & take him out of the game. He did not have a backup plan to use when it was apparent that fins were able to not only pickup blitz but execute on quick timing routes for 8,10,12 yds consistently.

I blame Defense Coordinator for not adjusting & getting any stops, we got the score down to 10 points & really needed a stop & fins OC calls the right play that ends the game. Coyer got his ass kicked as much as the players.

I also blame Kubs for a vanallia O gameplan. but that is another thread.

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by broncosteven

I didn't like that Coyer kept bringing the Blitz & it kept getting picked up. Coyer obviously thought that he could pressure Gus into mistakes & take him out of the game. He did not have a backup plan to use when it was apparent that fins were able to not only pickup blitz but execute on quick timing routes for 8,10,12 yds consistently.

I blame Defense Coordinator for not adjusting & getting any stops, we got the score down to 10 points & really needed a stop & fins OC calls the right play that ends the game. Coyer got his ass kicked as much as the players.

I also blame Kubs for a vanallia O gameplan. but that is another thread.

Now you are showing some pure speculation that has no basis. Lenny Walls was hobbling against Booker and should have not been in the game. Coyer held them to 6 points for almost three Quarters and the offense had 7 drives of 5 plays or Less during that time.

The defense was on the field 70% of the TOP at the point where the Dolphins score their first TD. It is hard to get stops with A saftey playing CB too in 100 Degree heat.

[Broncoman13]

Any word on Champs status yet?

[Traveler]

DId anyone else notice during the jumbo package near the goal line that Carswell, Warren, and Alexander were in the game and we still couldn't punch it in? That's pathetic!

[kent156]

i'll hold off judgement and see how the season turns out, but one thing if the broncos can't get pressure on the QB and this fins oline is suppose to be so bad it's going to be a long season.

[kent156]

Originally Posted by papi728

DId anyone else notice during the jumbo package near the goal line that Carswell, Warren, and Alexander were in the game and we still couldn't punch it in? That's pathetic!

the sad thing is the same package next week probably will work for a TD, this team is too inconsistent

[Mediator12]

Originally Posted by kent156

i'll hold off judgement and see how the season turns out, but one thing if the broncos can't get pressure on the QB and this fins oline is suppose to be so bad it's going to be a long season.

The fins had a very good passing strategy with keeping a Back or TE in to protect on almost every single Passing play. Also something we did not account. However, the sloppy coverages were just that, SLOPPY!

I hope we play more Press coverage than we did today in the future. Almost every single play they completed a pass on was with the CB's 7-10 yards off the ball. I know Walls and Bailey are not great technicians on the Jams, but when you blitz, you have to cover the Hot routes Aggressively.

I was stunned to see CB's allowing that much seperation on third down's and giving up simple catches. Make them beat you deep. Make them earn it. They never did but allowed a ten yard catch to go 60 Yards with poor technique on the jam by an injured Walls.

[epa86b@netzero]

Originally Posted by Mediator12

However, the sloppy coverages were just that, SLOPPY!

I was stunned to see CB's allowing that much seperation on third down's and giving up simple catches. They never did but allowed a ten yard catch to go 60 Yards with poor technique on the jam by an injured Walls.

This has been the story for the last couple of years. Sloppy coverage and missed assignments are becoming a staples on defense.

We need to play straight up defensive and forget the ineffective blitzs. Against a bad offense, the more plays they have to make the more likely they are to make a mistake. Instead, we give up cheap yardage on poor play calling.

Bottomline: These performances are becoming far too routine.