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Old 09-11-2005, 10:04 PM   #1
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...and just a game out of first too.

Okay, so the Broncos lost a game they had all penciled in as a W, ignoring signs of impending doom like a bunch of folks who stayed around through Hurricane Katrina. But all is not lost.

We just have to accept that we will never reach the Super Bowl with Jake Plummer as a quarterback. Some days he's just going to throw like Amanda Plummer instead. We all know that and he's never going to change. The WR corps is underwhelming. The fact Jerry Rice hung around in camp as long as he did tells you how bad our receivers are (except for Rod Smith who can't carry the load himself).

The defense still lacks big-play capability and no matter how many ex-Browns we bring in, that doesn't change.

It really looks no different than the teams that eked into the playoffs the past two years only to be undressed by Peyton Manning on national television. Were you expecting better?

Their draft this year looked like it was written as a comedy skit. The OL is one ACL away from being a jailbreak with no depth. And yet Shanny and company will still figure out a way to win eight or nine games because that's what Shanny does. And periodicially, he loses to the Bears. Or the Dolphins. Or some other team they have no business losing to.

Mayve they are just getting their annual egg-laying out of the way in Week 1. What matters is head-to-head in the division and nobody else in the division looks that much better than us. San Diego lost a home game. Oakland looked as tucked-up against the Patriots as they did the last time. KC's win was impressive and how 14 other teams decided they didn't need Derrick Johnson still blows me away. But get real. They're still the Chefs.

So study the films, fix the holes, lick the wounds and go back out there and make the Chargers 0-2. You'll feel a whole lot better then.
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:08 PM   #2
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I mostly agree.

I think the defense showed some big play ability, but the offense pissed it away. I would have sold a leg for 3 turnovers in our favor last year.

and this game imparticular made me happy we had the draft we did, we needed those rooks, and will continue to as long as champ is out.

I with you the rest of the way though
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trying to recall the last time i saw pass interference on offense twice. ever. against anyone.
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We will beat KC on Monday night going 2-1 and grabbing the division lead.
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:13 PM   #5
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Broncos were embarassed by a team that supposedly had nothing on offense. San Diego is in trouble.
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trying to recall the last time i saw pass interference on offense twice. ever. against anyone.

whats the masses think? Lelie interference?? or def interference?? i though they both looked like Defensive int to me, but i would like to know what otehres thought.
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trying to recall the last time i saw pass interference on offense twice. ever. against anyone.
Th more I think about it, the more crazy the game becomes. Odd calls on Odd players, the magic wall at the 1 yard line, losing 3 players in 4 plays.
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i am simply perpelexed as to why a ref would call pass interference on a cb, who gets run over, and horse collared, by the receiver. in reality, this is known as offensive pass interference. rewind to earlier in the game. ashley lelie runs past a cb, and gets flagged...for interference...no amount of beer is solving this obviously duplicitious dilemma...
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Broncos were embarassed by a team that supposedly had nothing on offense. San Diego is in trouble.
I seriously think that too...I think they'll play like they are on fire...like we did in Indy that time after they killed us.

I hope they do and have the confidence when KC comes to town...I don't want to see them lose in person...of course, every game I've gone to with Hogan they've won
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we actually have to win the next three at least. That means back down to Florida again in the heat against a more talented team than Miami in Jacksonville. We gotta get to 6-2 or higher at the halfway point because the December schedule is murderous. We already lopped our margin for error in half. It will be a very steep climb. And if KC goes 2-2 or better in their first four, it will be an extremely difficult trek to overtake them given the way their schedule is organized.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:40 PM   #11
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Reading some of the posts here, I am glad distance separates many of you. If you could get together, and someone would supply the means, there would be a mass suicide. Seriously, it's almost been shocking. It is the first game of the year, man! It means something, but it doesn't mean all that much, all things considered.

I have watched every game since the first Broncos' Super Bowl in '77. I can remember games where I felt a lot worse than I do now. A few examples:

Example #1: MANY games during the Wade Phillips era. The team would look completely uninspired, and I would think, "How could they suck this bad?" But there was always the hope that they would pull it together the next week. And you know what? They didn't. They sucked all year.

Example #2: MNF in San Francisco - the Romanowski spitting incident. Broncos lose, 34-17, and they look completely uninspired in the process. And it was a game they really needed, if they wanted to stay in the race for the division. The loss meant they were going to have to win games on the road in the playoffs, and they had never been a very good road team - let alone road playoff team. Net result: the next game they lost was at the Giants, almost a year later.

One game does not a season make. They still had a realistic chance of winning this one into the fourth quarter. You knew it was going to snowball at some point - just a combination of the injuries, the weather, Jake getting desperate, etc.

But as bad as we feel, there are folks in Minnesota (where many have put the Vikings in the Super Bowl), Carolina (same), San Diego, Phoenix, Baltimore, and St. Louis that feel just as bad. Those are some good teams, and I will guarantee that some will end up going deep into the playoffs. They all lost games they were supposed to have won (or had a real shot at winning).

Get over it. I will jump off your cliff if we lose the next two.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:45 PM   #12
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whats the masses think? Lelie interference?? or def interference?? i though they both looked like Defensive int to me, but i would like to know what otehres thought.
Lelie. I wouldn't have called it at all, but if it had to be called it was Lelie.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:49 PM   #13
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Reading some of the posts here, I am glad distance separates many of you. If you could get together, and someone would supply the means, there would be a mass suicide. Seriously, it's almost been shocking. It is the first game of the year, man! It means something, but it doesn't mean all that much, all things considered.

I have watched every game since the first Broncos' Super Bowl in '77. I can remember games where I felt a lot worse than I do now. A few examples:

Example #1: MANY games during the Wade Phillips era. The team would look completely uninspired, and I would think, "How could they suck this bad?" But there was always the hope that they would pull it together the next week. And you know what? They didn't. They sucked all year.
why do you think he was fired? The fact is Wade looked totally clueless at times, just about like Shanahan did yesterday.

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Example #2: MNF in San Francisco - the Romanowski spitting incident. Broncos lose, 34-17, and they look completely uninspired in the process. And it was a game they really needed, if they wanted to stay in the race for the division. The loss meant they were going to have to win games on the road in the playoffs, and they had never been a very good road team - let alone road playoff team. Net result: the next game they lost was at the Giants, almost a year later.
Your talking about something a decade ago. When did Romo play for the Niners again? Talk about something totally and utterly irrelevant. Romo went from SF, to Denver to Oakland. So did Shanahan basically.

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One game does not a season make. They still had a realistic chance of winning this one into the fourth quarter. You knew it was going to snowball at some point - just a combination of the injuries, the weather, Jake getting desperate, etc.
That's a joke. the team gave up midway thru the 3rd quarter.

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But as bad as we feel, there are folks in Minnesota (where many have put the Vikings in the Super Bowl), Carolina (same), San Diego, Phoenix, Baltimore, and St. Louis that feel just as bad. Those are some good teams, and I will guarantee that some will end up going deep into the playoffs. They all lost games they were supposed to have won (or had a real shot at winning).
Cullpepper turned the ball over 4 times and they still had the ball first and goal at the 10 with 1:50 to play. Cullpepper overthrew Mo Williams and threw his 5th turnover. It's rather hard to overcome 5 turnovers.

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Go ahead. It's not my cliff. You just built it.
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Go ahead. It's not my cliff. You just built it.
You missed the whole point. The point is that historically, one game doesn't make a season.

I am not arguing that Bill Romanowski is somehow going to come out of retirement and play linebacker for the current Broncos. The point is that losing then felt just as bad as losing today, the team looked just as hopeless, etc. - and the only thing that came of it was back-to-back Super Bowl championships.

I bet you were going off then about how Shanahan couldn't win a playoff game, and how he had lost the team, etc. - blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And all they did was win the next 18 games (and two Super Bowls).

There is nothing wrong with criticism when a game like this happens. But all this Chicken Little stuff is just silly. It is the first game of the year - period.
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why do you think he was fired? The fact is Wade looked totally clueless at times, just about like Shanahan did yesterday.
Difference being that Wade was a rookie head coach, just promoted from defensive coordinator. Shanahan has 100+ wins and two world championships. (Oh, but that's right - he only rode the back of John and TD for those. Got it.) One has proven he can bounce back from a poor showing. The other has proven that - well, he was a really likable guy.
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Your talking about something a decade ago. When did Romo play for the Niners again? Talk about something totally and utterly irrelevant. Romo went from SF, to Denver to Oakland. So did Shanahan basically.
How you could so utterly miss a point is bizarre. The point is that as bad as it feels to lose a game, it is rarely the end of the world. That Bronco team went on to win two World Championships. But losing that game felt just as bad as a fan as losing today - worse, actually, because it was at the end of the year and it meant a lot more.

Mock, I am not suggesting any of those guys come out of retirement and join the current team. It was a philosophical argument, using history as a basis of comparison.
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That's a joke. the team gave up midway thru the 3rd quarter.
Going into the 4th quarter, the score is 13-3. That's far from an insurmountable deficit to overcome. You must be a fun guy to watch a game with.
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Cullpepper turned the ball over 4 times and they still had the ball first and goal at the 10 with 1:50 to play. Cullpepper overthrew Mo Williams and threw his 5th turnover. It's rather hard to overcome 5 turnovers.
Ah, so you're saying that our loss is worse because we didn't make as many mistakes in the process? Right? If Jake had just thrown a few more interceptions, maybe we'd had a few more lost fumbles, that kind of stuff - it would have been...better? Do I need to be drinking to get that?
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Old 09-12-2005, 03:49 AM   #16
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Old 09-12-2005, 09:22 AM   #18
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In the NFL, losing Opening Day is losing 1/16th of the season. That's more significant than losing 1/82nd (NBA), 1/78th (NHL) or 1/162 (MLB). It's why the NFL regular season is such a big draw - moreso than the other three major sports.

That said, it is not insurmountable. Bronco fans are used to winning their opener. Suffice it to say they are a bit spoiled. But maybe it will be a rallying cry for the team going into two key division games that they can't coast.
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Having a great and talented team is well and good, but we need to remember there isnt all that much talent drop off from one NFL starter to the next. It's mainly preparation, game plan and motivation. Coaching is #1. Poor showing on Sunday, but I expect a great rebound.
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In the NFL, losing Opening Day is losing 1/16th of the season. That's more significant than losing 1/82nd (NBA), 1/78th (NHL) or 1/162 (MLB). It's why the NFL regular season is such a big draw - moreso than the other three major sports.

That said, it is not insurmountable. Bronco fans are used to winning their opener. Suffice it to say they are a bit spoiled. But maybe it will be a rallying cry for the team going into two key division games that they can't coast.

Thats what ive been saying. This game should rally the team to never play this bad again.

We are definitely spoiled here caz we are used to never losing the first game. Usually we are very good at starting the season.

I can only hope everyone in the organization rallies together and at the least plays with heart the rest of the season.
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we actually have to win the next three at least. That means back down to Florida again in the heat against a more talented team than Miami in Jacksonville. We gotta get to 6-2 or higher at the halfway point because the December schedule is murderous. We already lopped our margin for error in half. It will be a very steep climb. And if KC goes 2-2 or better in their first four, it will be an extremely difficult trek to overtake them given the way their schedule is organized.

Well said, a man who has studied the schedules.
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