New User - my take on Plummer

[Broncos4tw]

Been prowling the boards for quite awhile, I thought I would at least say hello! And don't give up hope in the least, it is a long season, this perhaps is the game we needed as a wake-up call, who knows.

In my opinion, Jake is very erratic. I see some people making excuses for him, but I saw the same excuses made for Brian Griese, until it was very apparent to all he was a serious choker, and incapable of bringin a championship to the team.

I like Jake's heart, his determination, and his ability to lead. He can lead I think. But he is just horribly inaccurate. I would say about 50% of his passes are on, and the other half are just terrible. Either overthrown, thrown behind the receiver, no touch, and so on. The receivers make him look better than he is on some occasions. Rod saved his bacon today with a great catch thrown behind him. Others couldn't do so.

He can throw deep passes ironically enough, and accurately. Lelie was at fault for the missed TD, not Jake. But other than the deeper balls, Jake lacks something, not sure what. I am confused how he can be accurate for a game, and then just horrible the next. I don't know where you need to win 3 or 4 games in succession with a solid performance in each, if he will ever be able to string that many good games together consecutively. Therefor I doubt whether he will ever lead us far into the playoffs.

You can't really fault a defense for being unable to stop the offense, when they are on the field for such long stretches at a time, especially in such brutal weather. On the hot side of the field, wearing their blue unis. I felt bad for them. They did great going into the second half. But I think you can only do so much. Although I think the pass rush confused me. We were still unable to get to the QB, and were getting burned by the blitz.

We need a franchise QB to get to that next plateu. I don't think Jake is the long-term answer to any problems. I like him as a person, I really don't care for his inaccurate passes and poor decision making.

[orangenblue]

Originally Posted by Broncos4tw

Been prowling the boards for quite awhile, I thought I would at least say hello! And don't give up hope in the least, it is a long season, this perhaps is the game we needed as a wake-up call, who knows.

In my opinion, Jake is very erratic. I see some people making excuses for him, but I saw the same excuses made for Brian Griese, until it was very apparent to all he was a serious choker, and incapable of bringin a championship to the team.

I like Jake's heart, his determination, and his ability to lead. He can lead I think. But he is just horribly inaccurate. I would say about 50% of his passes are on, and the other half are just terrible. Either overthrown, thrown behind the receiver, no touch, and so on. The receivers make him look better than he is on some occasions. Rod saved his bacon today with a great catch thrown behind him. Others couldn't do so.

He can throw deep passes ironically enough, and accurately. Lelie was at fault for the missed TD, not Jake. But other than the deeper balls, Jake lacks something, not sure what. I am confused how he can be accurate for a game, and then just horrible the next. I don't know where you need to win 3 or 4 games in succession with a solid performance in each, if he will ever be able to string that many good games together consecutively. Therefor I doubt whether he will ever lead us far into the playoffs.

You can't really fault a defense for being unable to stop the offense, when they are on the field for such long stretches at a time, especially in such brutal weather. On the hot side of the field, wearing their blue unis. I felt bad for them. They did great going into the second half. But I think you can only do so much. Although I think the pass rush confused me. We were still unable to get to the QB, and were getting burned by the blitz.

We need a franchise QB to get to that next plateu. I don't think Jake is the long-term answer to any problems. I like him as a person, I really don't care for his inaccurate passes and poor decision making.

I agree his accuracy is for sh it

[Raiders Rock]

Stop the bootleg, you beat the Donks... that simple

Pressure Collins = beat the Raiders


Simple stuff here

[labronco]

Originally Posted by Raiders Rock

Stop the bootleg, you beat the Donks... that simple

Pressure Collins = beat the Raiders


Simple stuff here

surprisingly enough, i have to agree with you here.

[WaffleBoy]

Originally Posted by Broncos4tw

I am confused how he can be accurate for a game, and then just horrible the next.

b/c Jake is a hot and dry qb (i.e., Collins). One week, Jake looks like the best thing since slice bread and than the next week he looks like he doesn't even belong in the NFL. That's what you get with Jake and Kerry at qb. They, both, are not consistent qbs.

The Boy Wonder

[ludo21]

Originally Posted by Raiders Rock

Stop the bootleg, you beat the Donks... that simple

Pressure Collins = beat the Raiders


Simple stuff here

No chance for the boot today tho, the running game wasnt rolling so neither was jake.

Good post, i agree, its a 16 game season not 1. If it comes down to 1 game later int he year, we will look at this game, but you cant make excuses. WE just didnt play as well as the fins.

Jake can lead this team, i think this loss will be a wake up call for the whole organization.

[Hulamau]

Good take B4TW

[Circle Orange]

Both Collins and Plummer are qbs with one dimensional games. Pressure Collins who rarely moves, and he's inaccurate. Block Jake's field of vision on the bootleg and he can't see anything to hit. All Collins can do is throw a deep ball, he can't seem to run a variety of throws. Ditto Jake. Throws nice rainbows upfield (not driveline outs) but can't hit a horses' ass in stride.

[Raiders Rock]

Basically Collins and Jake suck ass.

Jake runs ok but makes stupid throws and throws int's

Collins couldn't run with a pack of killer bees on his ass, can throw a long ball if nobody has gotten close to him yet in the game.

I personally thought Greaser was better than Jake, just my opinion, but I am one who also talked crap about Gannon on bad days and I would love to have that little cross eyed weak armed machine guiding this ship once again.

I like smart QBS

Farves, Delhommes etc..... we have a division filled with dip****s for QBs... and Eddie Munster Green is no exception, he is just extremely lucky to have the line he has.

Off my soapbox

[Rock Chalk]

I do not approve of your avatar RR, that SHOULD be grounds for a banning.

[Raiders Rock]

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

I do not approve of your avatar RR, that SHOULD be grounds for a banning.

Oh, Pardon me sir, I will remove it right away

[Broncos4tw]

Griese is not even close to Jake, I would much rather have our snake than that choker. If you piss Jake off, he can do great. If you put tons of pressure on him, he gets on the sidelines and works it out. If you do the same to Mr. Griese, he crumbles and falls apart. I would rather have Jake just for the leadership qualities over Brian. I doubt any player actually enjoyed being led by what in my opinion was, a football wussy.

Jake has got some moxie, and I like him. Just wish he were more accurate. I think it's a physical characteristic, and not correctable. He is what he is, and we have to accept it, for better or for worse.

What I hope the team does is realize this and work around it, instead of trying to force Jake to be something he is not. I only saw two bootlegs in the game. What gives? It worked once, it didn't work the other time. We need to run that thing at least once a drive. If teams don't expect it, teams won't plan for it. Why give them less things to be ready for? It forced teams to plan for this. Most importantly, Jake seems to do best when on the move. Don't take away our QBs best strength by making him a pocket QB. He has poor vision in there. Let him roam and be Jake. If they don't like that, get rid of him. Forcing a QB to play out of their element is just going to make him suck.

So I guess I think we could do it with Jake at the helm as long as they gameplan around his strengths and weaknesses. Mike saying "Jake had one bad throw" made me go and have my hearing checked at the doctor (it's fine it turns out).

[Bronco9798]

You utilize a player to his strengths. Shanny is trying to make Jake into something he isn't and that's a pocket QB. Move the pocket, more roll outs, more bootlegs, and I think we'll see an effective Jake Plummer, more than we are now.

When you get inside the 10 utilize his abilities to run the ball and for once, just once, try a QB draw.

[NaptownChief]

Only about 2 people on this board that would disagree with your take on Jake. I'm certainly not one of them.

[bendog]

ludo's right, the boot only works when the RB is making a living in cutting back into the zone blocking lanes. It gets the defenders into leaning towards the cut back, and they're already nervous fro cut blocks, and then Jake can get to the corner. As to utilizing his strengths, I don't think any team is going to win a championship with a qb who cannot consistently make plays out of the five step drop, and that includes Atl. Shanny thinks Jake can do it. I dunno. I think he's improved.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by Bronco9798

You utilize a player to his strengths. Shanny is trying to make Jake into something he isn't and that's a pocket QB. Move the pocket, more roll outs, more bootlegs, and I think we'll see an effective Jake Plummer, more than we are now.

When you get inside the 10 utilize his abilities to run the ball and for once, just once, try a QB draw.

I agree with trying to get him to run more in the red zone but I think they were just fooled by Plummer's good run in the preseason where he was good at throwing from the pocket.

But I think you're right, in the next game we should see a gameplan that'll play more to his strengths and try to hide that fact that he's not a good pocket passer.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by Bronco9798

You utilize a player to his strengths. Shanny is trying to make Jake into something he isn't and that's a pocket QB. Move the pocket, more roll outs, more bootlegs, and I think we'll see an effective Jake Plummer, more than we are now.

When you get inside the 10 utilize his abilities to run the ball and for once, just once, try a QB draw.

If we can't run the ball, the DE will crush Jake. Everything is so related in this system that if one thing breaks down, the whole ship goes down. If Jake cannot become a better pocket QB and better at reading the defense, then we cannot compensate for this issue. Rolling out takes away half the field and is easy to defense when the run game is inept. So, it'll work sometimes, but it won't carry us to a division title -- kind of like we've been seeing the past 2 years.

And running is a bad idea because A) Jake is not as mobile as he used to be (although still way above average) and B) we cannot afford an injury to him.

[jayman_37]

I like Jake as our quarterback, but one of the things that bothers me about him is his lack of accuracy. We never get any run after the catch anymore. Most of the time the ball is behind the receiver so that they have to turn to catch it. Another part of the problem is the drops. This can be blamed on the receivers mostly, but Jake throws an ugly ball. Did you see the end zone shot of that one pass to Jeb. The ball wobbles all over the place which makes it difficult to catch because the point will hit the hands and want to bounce off. I do like him I just wish he could work on his mechanics more to fix some of these problems

[Circle Orange]

Originally Posted by Bronco9798

You utilize a player to his strengths. Shanny is trying to make Jake into something he isn't and that's a pocket QB. Move the pocket, more roll outs, more bootlegs, and I think we'll see an effective Jake Plummer, more than we are now.

When you get inside the 10 utilize his abilities to run the ball and for once, just once, try a QB draw.

Unfortuneately, too many teams have sniffed out the bootleg...'spies' just run along with Jake as he moves, blocking his vision and forcing a hurry. At some point Jake will HAVE to read the whole field as a qb, or he'll never be more than a one trick pony. It sounds good to say let him 'run around' but eventually that will get him killed against fast linebackers and safeties.

Culpepper ran a lot and got hurt a lot, being a big target. Vick will eventually get nailed (he still gets up too slow after hits) and is a SMALL qb. McNabb knows how to run when necessary, not to appease sports pundits who think he should just 'run'. (I could go in another direction with this, but I think I'll leave it for now).

[Spider]

1 major Problem Jake and Kerry both have ... Lack of power running , and folks if you dont get Power running , your offense at best will be like the 80's Dolphins ......

[Bronco9798]

Originally Posted by Circle Orange

Unfortuneately, too many teams have sniffed out the bootleg...'spies' just run along with Jake as he moves, blocking his vision and forcing a hurry. At some point Jake will HAVE to read the whole field as a qb, or he'll never be more than a one trick pony. It sounds good to say let him 'run around' but eventually that will get him killed against fast linebackers and safeties.

Culpepper ran a lot and got hurt a lot, being a big target. Vick will eventually get nailed (he still gets up too slow after hits) and is a SMALL qb. McNabb knows how to run when necessary, not to appease sports pundits who think he should just 'run'. (I could go in another direction with this, but I think I'll leave it for now).

I'm not saying use it every play. You keep Jake in the pocket all day and we're going to lose almost every game. He's more effective outside the pocket. You still have to move the pocket somewhat.

Watch the game Sunday, I bet you'll see a lot more of it.