Bush Tells 1500 Cuban MDs To Stay Home - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 09-09-2005, 01:03 PM

Just like Venezuela any help anyone offers should be seriously considered. But apparently, Bush can't see past his round table of Rove warriors to get all the help possible to the hundreds of thousands of American victims that need it.

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Cuban doctors say politics block Katrina aid offer
By Anthony Boadle 23 minutes ago

HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuban doctors put on stand-by a week ago by President
Fidel Castro to fly to the aid of the victims of Hurricane Katrina said on Friday they hoped the United States would put politics aside and accept their help.

So far, the word from Washington has been thanks, but no thanks. The White House snubbed Cuba's offer and said Castro would do better "freeing" his Communist-run country.

Meanwhile, the 1,500 doctors are taking English language classes and brushing up on their epidemiological skills.

"We are sad about the position the American government has taken. All of us have been waiting here for eight days," said Dr. Juan Carlos Dupuy, a general practitioner and chemical lab specialist.

"This is a humanitarian problem. We have to put aside politics. We are ready to go," he said.

Castro, calling a truce in Cuba's four-decade-old ideological war with the United States, offered on September 2 to fly the doctors to treat people in the New Orleans disaster.

The Cuban leader said it was no bluff.

He gathered 1,586 physicians at Havana's convention center for a pep talk, each clad in white overalls and equipped with green satchels of medical supplies.

Millions of people were displaced when Katrina hit the U.S. Gulf coast last week, with many of them sick and injured. New Orleans city officials first said they believed the death toll could be as high as 10,000, but a U.S.
Homeland Security relief officer said on Friday the number may not be that high.

Some 100 countries -- rich and poor, friend and foe -- ranging from Honduras and Sri Lanka to Germany offered to help U.S. relief efforts.

Venezuela's leftist government, a close Cuban ally with tense ties to Washington, offered at least $1 million to the Red Cross and said it would send an extra one million barrels of gasoline to the U.S. market.

The U.S. State Department said all offers would be considered based on needs rather than political grounds.

But the Bush administration's message to Havana was clear.

"When it comes to Cuba, we have one message for Fidel Castro: He needs to offer the people of Cuba their freedom," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said at a press briefing on Thursday.

Cuba regularly sends medical assistance to other countries hit by natural disasters. Cuban doctors serve in dozens of developing nations.

The contingent on stand-by at an international medical school in Havana includes doctors who worked in Sri Lanka after the tsunami disaster.

"We are waiting for a final decision. We want to help because we saw on television how difficult things are in New Orleans," said Dr. Marcia Consuegra, a cardiologist who served in Ethiopia and currently works in poor hillside slums outside Caracas.

"If they rejects us, it is their loss, because we have no political interest in this," she said. "My English is not good, but my heart is big," she added in broken English.
http://tinyurl.com/c6xum

bronco_diesel · 09-09-2005, 01:30 PM

all you do is complain....about everything bush does, or does not do.

bendog · 09-09-2005, 01:34 PM

It's pr, but it reminds me in a way of the hurricane that hit galveston in 1900, which may have been the worst ever. The cubans had been studying them for years, and sent some warning but we dissed it off culturally and said the millibar readings couldn't possibly be that low.

btw, I heard the gop congress was pushing ahead to cut medicaid and foodstamps in next year's budget.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...trina_budget_2

so are the states gonna be left with the bills for taking in the evacuees?

DBruleU · 09-09-2005, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

all you do is complain....about everything bush does, or does not do.

Honestly, these threads about Bush this, and Bush that, are getting quite old. Dont you guys see your own trend here, all you freaking do is complain.

Hogan11 · 09-09-2005, 02:22 PM

I would've let them come in and help.

I think we should take every offer up that comes down the pike......we've done so very much for the world, past and present, now we need the help and if the world wants to settle up and send that help.....that's more than fine with me.

bronco_diesel · 09-09-2005, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogan11

I would've let them come in and help.

I think we should take every offer up that comes down the pike......we've done so very much for the world, past and present, now we need the help and if the world wants to settle up and send that help.....that's more than fine with me.

i would agree with that...but we may be in a situation where the extra resources are not needed. sometimes you can over do it and end up being counter productive. i don't know if that is the case now or not...we are not in the situation to make the call, but rather a bunch of arm chair qb's.

bendog · 09-09-2005, 02:32 PM

Think of the mess if some of em wanted to stay.

Ratboy · 09-09-2005, 03:27 PM

I love it.

I said every post ends up being bush's fault. No matter what he does, LABF and Beerthug will be there to bash him.

LABF and Beerthug are what we call "Debbie Downers".

Bronco_Beerslug · 09-09-2005, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

all you do is complain....about everything bush does, or does not do.

Find the ignore button, address the topic or shutup.

Quote:

Honestly, these threads about Bush this, and Bush that, are getting quite old. Dont you guys see your own trend here, all you freaking do is complain.

See above.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy

I love it.

I said every post ends up being bush's fault. No matter what he does, LABF and Beerthug will be there to bash him.

LABF and Beerthug are what we call "Debbie Downers".

See above

bronco_diesel · 09-09-2005, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Find the ignore button, address the topic or shutup.

See above.

See above

see post #6 for my addressing the topic.

so i can't call you out for a behavior like you do?

this is exactly the reponse i expected of you - very typical..and predictable.

Bronco_Beerslug · 09-09-2005, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

see post #6 for my addressing the topic.

so i can't call you out for a behavior like you do?

this is exactly the reponse i expected of you - very typical..and predictable.

See post #2 for your whining nonresponse to the topic. Do you need some help on how to use the ignore option?

bronco_diesel · 09-09-2005, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

See post #2 for your whining nonresponse to the topic. Do you need some help on how to use the ignore option?

i don't want to ignore you...i'd just like to see if it is at all possible for you to have any other tone than negative?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 09-09-2005, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

all you do is complain....about everything bush does, or does not do.

Whereas all people like you and your little buddy RatDroppings do is cover Bush's flank and make excuses for his ineptness and corruption - no matter how serious and costly Bush's screw-ups are in terms of human lives and dollars and cents.

If you want to go on living in a bubble where facts and political criticism don't intrude, then perhaps you should steer clear of forums with names like "War, Religion, and Politics."

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 09-09-2005, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Just like Venezuela any help anyone offers should be seriously considered. But apparently, Bush can't see past his round table of Rove warriors to get all the help possible to the hundreds of thousands of American victims that need it.

This is reminiscent of the Little Prince's handling of Iraq:

Do everything humanly possible to squelch a legitimate coalition so my cronies and I don't have to "share the spoils" associated with the "reconstruction."

And, rule #2: Privatize, privatize, privatize.

GonzoLays · 09-09-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Whereas all people like you and your little buddy RatDroppings do is cover Bush's flank and make excuses for his ineptness and corruption - no matter how serious and costly Bush's screw-ups are in terms of human lives and dollars and cents.

If you want to go on living in a bubble where facts and political criticism don't intrude, then perhaps you should steer clear of forums with names like "War, Religion, and Politics."

Finally, someone with some common sense. I never understood why people fell in love with politicians. All they do is take our money and waste it on ventures that make them money. Why in the world do people defend them? I don't understand. Thousands of people died during Hurricane Katrina and you could swear that all Bush supporters cared about was not playing the "blame game" and the casualties were just an insignifigant part of the whole ordeal. All they care about is that no one blame Bush. How stupid can you be?

Bronco_Beerslug · 09-09-2005, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bendog

Think of the mess if some of em wanted to stay.

Yeah, having 1500 Cuban medical doctor defectors as compared to the boatloads of Cuban criminals that arrive almost daily.

Ratboy · 09-09-2005, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie Downer #1

This is unfair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie Downer #1

I'm the victim.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie Downer #1

It's all Bush's fault!

It would be funnier if it wasn't true.

Ratboy · 09-09-2005, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debbie Downer #2

Yeah, having 1500 Cuban medical doctor defectors as compared to the boatloads of Cuban criminals that arrive almost daily.

No Thanks, We have our own doctors.

Bronco_Beerslug · 09-09-2005, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy

No Thanks, We have our own doctors.

Really, where are they at? We have thousands of Americans couped up like chickens in areas across the nation that all require medical help.
Would you post your link showing that we have the medical part of this disaster covered?

Trouble · 09-09-2005, 07:54 PM

I can't figure out why everyone is playing the blame game...Bush, the mayor, etc.

Now it is the racist card....

Does it ever end?

Why can't we just bull doze the city down, start over, and play the blame game later?

Are we still fighting in Iraq? It is so hard to tell with all the Katrina B.S. going around....

W*GS · 09-09-2005, 08:00 PM

I say we accept 'em on the condition that if they choose to return to Cuba, they're allowed participation in free and fair elections.

Two can play the propaganda game - Castro just ain't that clever.

Bronco_Beerslug · 09-09-2005, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W*GS

I say we accept 'em on the condition that if they choose to return to Cuba, they're allowed participation in free and fair elections.

Two can play the propaganda game - Castro just ain't that clever.

As compared to Bush? C'mon, that's like comparing a blue amoeba with a green amoeba.

Why don't we just count the 1500 MDs against the monthy release of Cuban criminals Castro unleahes on us?

Ratboy · 09-09-2005, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Really, where are they at? We have thousands of Americans couped up like chickens in areas across the nation that all require medical help.
Would you post your link showing that we have the medical part of this disaster covered?

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18618

"In Louisiana, there are 30 Disaster Medical Teams (DMAT); 2 Veterinary Assistance Teams (VMAT); 1 Mental Health Team; and 4 Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Teams (DMORT)

In Mississippi, there are 11 DMATs; 1 Mental Health Team; 2 VMATs; and 4 DMORTS"

Hogan11 · 09-09-2005, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18618

"In Louisiana, there are 30 Disaster Medical Teams (DMAT); 2 Veterinary Assistance Teams (VMAT); 1 Mental Health Team; and 4 Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Teams (DMORT)

In Mississippi, there are 11 DMATs; 1 Mental Health Team; 2 VMATs; and 4 DMORTS"

It's not enough. Time for the countries we aided for years to come through and settle up......we should never be above accepting aid when it's needed (and it is) from anyone....especially from those we've bent over backwards for in the past or the present.

Castro wants to send Dr's over here to help? Fine by me....we should take the oil offer from Venez. as well.....we should take everything we can get IMO. till the crisis is over, period.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 09-09-2005, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

All they care about is that no one blame Bush.

Out of one side of their mouths, they're saying "let's not get into a blame game" and "there will be plenty of time to point fingers later."

Out of the other side of their mouths, they're spinning and working the usual RNC talking points like crazy in a desperate attempt to blame the Governor and the Mayor.

The magnitude of right-wing hypocrisy seems to know no bounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

How stupid can you be?

Good question.

Just when you think they can't possibly get any dumber, they somehow manage to lower the bar even more.

09-09-2005, 07:54 PM	#20
Trouble New on the bronc Semper Fi Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bluegrass State Posts: 8	What are we complaining about I can't figure out why everyone is playing the blame game...Bush, the mayor, etc. Now it is the racist card.... Does it ever end? Why can't we just bull doze the city down, start over, and play the blame game later? Are we still fighting in Iraq? It is so hard to tell with all the Katrina B.S. going around....

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09-09-2005, 01:03 PM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	Bush Tells 1500 Cuban MDs To Stay Home Just like Venezuela any help anyone offers should be seriously considered. But apparently, Bush can't see past his round table of Rove warriors to get all the help possible to the hundreds of thousands of American victims that need it. -------------------------------------------------- Cuban doctors say politics block Katrina aid offer By Anthony Boadle 23 minutes ago HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuban doctors put on stand-by a week ago by President Fidel Castro to fly to the aid of the victims of Hurricane Katrina said on Friday they hoped the United States would put politics aside and accept their help. So far, the word from Washington has been thanks, but no thanks. The White House snubbed Cuba's offer and said Castro would do better "freeing" his Communist-run country. Meanwhile, the 1,500 doctors are taking English language classes and brushing up on their epidemiological skills. "We are sad about the position the American government has taken. All of us have been waiting here for eight days," said Dr. Juan Carlos Dupuy, a general practitioner and chemical lab specialist. "This is a humanitarian problem. We have to put aside politics. We are ready to go," he said. Castro, calling a truce in Cuba's four-decade-old ideological war with the United States, offered on September 2 to fly the doctors to treat people in the New Orleans disaster. The Cuban leader said it was no bluff. He gathered 1,586 physicians at Havana's convention center for a pep talk, each clad in white overalls and equipped with green satchels of medical supplies. Millions of people were displaced when Katrina hit the U.S. Gulf coast last week, with many of them sick and injured. New Orleans city officials first said they believed the death toll could be as high as 10,000, but a U.S. Homeland Security relief officer said on Friday the number may not be that high. Some 100 countries -- rich and poor, friend and foe -- ranging from Honduras and Sri Lanka to Germany offered to help U.S. relief efforts. Venezuela's leftist government, a close Cuban ally with tense ties to Washington, offered at least $1 million to the Red Cross and said it would send an extra one million barrels of gasoline to the U.S. market. The U.S. State Department said all offers would be considered based on needs rather than political grounds. But the Bush administration's message to Havana was clear. "When it comes to Cuba, we have one message for Fidel Castro: He needs to offer the people of Cuba their freedom," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said at a press briefing on Thursday. Cuba regularly sends medical assistance to other countries hit by natural disasters. Cuban doctors serve in dozens of developing nations. The contingent on stand-by at an international medical school in Havana includes doctors who worked in Sri Lanka after the tsunami disaster. "We are waiting for a final decision. We want to help because we saw on television how difficult things are in New Orleans," said Dr. Marcia Consuegra, a cardiologist who served in Ethiopia and currently works in poor hillside slums outside Caracas. "If they rejects us, it is their loss, because we have no political interest in this," she said. "My English is not good, but my heart is big," she added in broken English. http://tinyurl.com/c6xum

09-09-2005, 01:30 PM	#2
bronco_diesel giddy-up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: denver Posts: 1,248	all you do is complain....about everything bush does, or does not do.

09-09-2005, 01:34 PM	#3
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	It's pr, but it reminds me in a way of the hurricane that hit galveston in 1900, which may have been the worst ever. The cubans had been studying them for years, and sent some warning but we dissed it off culturally and said the millibar readings couldn't possibly be that low. btw, I heard the gop congress was pushing ahead to cut medicaid and foodstamps in next year's budget. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...trina_budget_2 so are the states gonna be left with the bills for taking in the evacuees?

09-09-2005, 02:22 PM	#5
Hogan11 Rock-N-Roll Historian Let's take these SOB's out!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: W.NY.B.C. Posts: 21,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Floyd Little	I would've let them come in and help. I think we should take every offer up that comes down the pike......we've done so very much for the world, past and present, now we need the help and if the world wants to settle up and send that help.....that's more than fine with me.

09-09-2005, 02:32 PM	#7
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	Think of the mess if some of em wanted to stay.

09-09-2005, 03:27 PM	#8
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	I love it. I said every post ends up being bush's fault. No matter what he does, LABF and Beerthug will be there to bash him. LABF and Beerthug are what we call "Debbie Downers".

09-09-2005, 08:00 PM	#21
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,507	I say we accept 'em on the condition that if they choose to return to Cuba, they're allowed participation in free and fair elections. Two can play the propaganda game - Castro just ain't that clever.