What should the federal gasoline tax be?

[W*GS]

If the money would be used to lessen our dependence on imported oil, increase the efficiency of our oil use, and provide funding for alternative sources of energy and address the concerns created by global warming.

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by W*GS

If the money would be used to lessen our dependence on imported oil, increase the efficiency of our oil use, and provide funding for alternative sources of energy and address the concerns created by global warming.

Why in the world would you want to entrust the federal government with more power to tax us to death? Do you actually believe politicians have our best interests in mind? Do you?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

If the money would be used to lessen our dependence on imported oil, increase the efficiency of our oil use, and provide funding for alternative sources of energy and address the concerns created by global warming.

So the plan is to give the goverment more power to tax us ....... Yikes ... a more sound solution is letting the private sector handle this one ..... this time let the goverment sit this one out ....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

So the plan is to give the goverment more power to tax us ....... Yikes ... a more sound solution is letting the private sector handle this one ..... this time let the goverment sit this one out ....

I believe differently. IMO opinion we're facing a national emergency. The EIA came out and said there is very good possibility of a world oil shortage not in the future somewhere but right now. Our fate as a country lies in the hands of ME oil barons, a horrible situation!

If we don't move to renewable and alternative energy as fast as possible we are tempting fate to lay an ugly scenario on us. Bush won't do what's necessary to move us off big oil but hopefully, our next president will understand the the precarious state we are in.

The government by giving subsides and incentives (talking hundreds of billions) for research and production of alternative and renewable energies could create entirely new industries right here at home that would greatly lessen the time to move to the new energies.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I believe differently. IMO opinion we're facing a national emergency. The EIA came out and said there is very good possibility of a world oil shortage not in the future somewhere but right now. Our fate as a country lies in the hands of ME oil barons, a horrible situation!

If we don't move to renewable and alternative energy as fast as possible we are tempting fate to lay an ugly scenario on us. Bush won't do what's necessary to move us off big oil but hopefully, our next president will understand the the precarious state we are in.

The government by giving subsides and incentives (talking hundreds of billions) for research and production of alternative and renewable energies could create entirely new industries right here at home that would greatly lessen the time to move to the new energies.

I just think the private sector could out do the goverment on this .......

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I just think the private sector could out do the goverment on this .......

What's their incentive to move away from oil? That's the problem, if we wait until the corporate America thinks it's time to do that it could very well be too late.

With the proper incentive and inspiration the corporate sector would develop these energies.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by W*GS

If the money would be used to lessen our dependence on imported oil, increase the efficiency of our oil use, and provide funding for alternative sources of energy and address the concerns created by global warming.

Yeah i believe John "shot myself & received a purple heart" Kerry wanted a 50 cent gas tax.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by 24champbailey

Yeah i believe John "shot myself & received a purple heart" Kerry wanted a 50 cent gas tax.

You can't address the topic?
I doubt anyone cares about your your fairy tale on Kerry.

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

You can't address the topic?
I doubt anyone cares about your your fairy tale on Kerry.

He doesn't know anything so he doesn't write anything. Simple...

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

What's their incentive to move away from oil? That's the problem, if we wait until the corporate America thinks it's time to do that it could very well be too late.

With the proper incentive and inspiration the corporate sector would develop these energies.

Their incentive would be taking up the slack that Big oil isnt hitting , Just think of how many gallons of oil is sold each day in the US ........ Tell these alternitive fuel companies , this could be youres , we wont protect Big oil , as far as we are concerned this is a wide open market ......

[Spider]

Originally Posted by 24champbailey

Yeah i believe John "shot myself & received a purple heart" Kerry wanted a 50 cent gas tax.

thats a load of Crap ......

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Why in the world would you want to entrust the federal government with more power to tax us to death? Do you actually believe politicians have our best interests in mind? Do you?

That wouldn't happen.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

You can't address the topic?
I doubt anyone cares about your your fairy tale on Kerry.

What about when LABF pulls this crap? It's o.k. then?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

What about when LABF pulls this crap? It's o.k. then?

I think the point was that your little buddy couldn't even manage to address the topic at hand.

Or is this too tough of a distinction for you to make?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

He doesn't know anything so he doesn't write anything. Simple...

Yep.

All he can manage is to parrot some long-discredited right-wing propaganda about Kerry's purple hearts.

But what more can we expect from a member of the same 'classy' party that distributed purple band-aids to attendees as its last convention?

[ant1999e]

And you have never done this LABF.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by ant1999e

And you have never done this LABF.

Done what?

Proven myself incapable of addressing the thread topic?

[Crushaholic]

The federal gas tax SHOULD be zero. Unfortunately, the greedy bastards in Washington wouldn't allow that.

We need to seriously explore alternative sources of fuel...

[TomServo]

F- that we pay over 40 cents a gallon in CO.

[W*GS]

I'm simply interested in weaning us from our oil addiction. One way to do that is to make it far more expensive to use gasoline. Europeans have far higher "petrol" taxes than we do, and they aren't suffering economically because of them.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by TomServo

F- that we pay over 40 cents a gallon in CO.

We're talking about the FEDERAL gas tax, which means since it's FEDERAL it's the same across the country.

I like how people say we should just move to alternate and renewable fuels and energies and eliminate the federal tax. Are people so dim they don't understand how the taxing system works? They don't understand the roads and highways they drive on possible ONLY because we pay for them through taxes?

If the federal gas tax was raised to only 50 cents from the 18.4 cents it is now, we could generate 100 billion a year to use for incentives to move away from big oil. Many of those incentives could be used to provide rebates and tax breaks on
alternative and renewable autos and home energy use by individual citizens which would in turn promote research and development.

People better wake up before it's too late. We have to make some tough choices and soon!!!!

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History of the Gasoline Tax
by Dr. William Buechner

From 1932, when Congress first enacted an excise tax on gasoline, until 1956, the proceeds of the gas tax went into general revenues, although the amount raised each year was used as an informal benchmark for Federal highway spending. The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 established the Highway Trust Fund and stipulated that 100% of the gas tax be deposited into the fund. From 1956 to 1982, the Highway Trust Fund was used solely to finance expenditures from the federal highway program.

Highway Trust Fund revenues were first allocated to mass transit in the Surface Transportation Act of 1982, when Congress raised the gas tax from four cents per gallon to nine cents per gallon and dedicated one cent, or 20 percent, of the increase to the newly-established Mass Transit Account. Each time there has been an increase in the amount of gas tax going into the Highway Trust Fund—1990, 1993 and 1997—20 percent of the increase has been allocated to the Transit Account and 80 percent to the Highway Account. Of the current gasoline tax of 18.3 cents per gallon, 2.86 cents per gallon is allocated to the Mass Transit Account.

Three tables on the gasoline tax follow.

* Table 1 provides a history of the gasoline tax and how it has been distributed among various uses from 1932 to the present.

* Table 2 shows the percentage distribution of the gasoline tax among the different uses, including amounts used for general revenues and deficit reduction.

* Table 3 show how the portion of the gasoline tax allocated to the Highway Trust Fund has been distributed among the Highway and Transit accounts in percentage terms. This table excludes the portion of the gas tax used for deficit reduction. Note that the first lines in Tables 2 and 3 omit the 0.1 cent per gallon dedicated to repairing underground storage facilities.

Table 1: History of the Gasoline Tax

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[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

I'm simply interested in weaning us from our oil addiction. One way to do that is to make it far more expensive to use gasoline. Europeans have far higher "petrol" taxes than we do, and they aren't suffering economically because of them.

I see you take the Canadian route , sin tax it is called up there , they dont like you smoking , so they raise the Price so you cant afford it anymore ..Basicaly you want a sin tax put on Gasoline ........ give even more power to the federal goverment to run our lives ........

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I see you take the Canadian route , sin tax it is called up there , they dont like you smoking , so they raise the Price so you cant afford it anymore ..Basicaly you want a sin tax put on Gasoline ........ give even more power to the federal goverment to run our lives ........

It's not a perfect solution, certainly - but given that we've been living a lie of cheap gasoline for decades, it's time we faced up to what we should be paying. Imagine if the price of every barrel of crude we import contained what it cost to get it here - the military adventurism, the coddling of unsavory regimes, etc.

I think gas that cost around $6/gallon would get us thinking about how to do things better.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

It's not a perfect solution, certainly - but given that we've been living a lie of cheap gasoline for decades, it's time we faced up to what we should be paying. Imagine if the price of every barrel of crude we import contained what it cost to get it here - the military adventurism, the coddling of unsavory regimes, etc.

I think gas that cost around $6/gallon would get us thinking about how to do things better.

I see , and those that make thier living using Gas does what ? Increase their price of service ? and in turn the stores raise their price ...... sonn we have the price of everything sky high ..... 6.00 dollars for a gallong of Gas meanwhile food , Dairy , Clothing shoot up .... Isnt the U.S. A. poverty rate @ 12.0% now ? ... will be alot higher if your plan was adopted .........

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I see , and those that make thier living using Gas does what ? Increase their price of service ? and in turn the stores raise their price ...... sonn we have the price of everything sky high ..... 6.00 dollars for a gallong of Gas meanwhile food , Dairy , Clothing shoot up .... Isnt the U.S. A. poverty rate @ 12.0% now ? ... will be alot higher if your plan was adopted .........

If we continue with our gas-guzzling habits, yes, much more expensive gas will hurt, a lot. Perhaps we'd get a clue and change our ways.

Europeans have $6/gallon gas, and they're not impoverished. How do you explain that?