National Championship Controversies

[Bronco LB 59]

VOTE for who you think is the TRUE National Champion


2004: USC 13-0/Auburn 13-0 AP/Coaches: USC
My pick: Auburn Going undefeated in the SEC is much more impressive than going unbeated in the Pac-10 in my book.

2003: USC 12-1/LSU 13-1 AP: USC Coaches: LSU
My pick: USC

2002: Miami vs. Ohio State Did Ohio State win legitimately? Yes or No?
Yes

2001: Would Oregon have beaten Miami in the Rose Bowl? Yes or No?
No

2000: Would Miami have beaten Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl? Yes or No?
Yes

1997: Michigan 12-0/Nebraska 13-0 AP: Michigan Coaches: Nebraska
My pick: Michigan Nebraska should have never been rewarded a split NC for that fluke win at Missouri.

1996: Florida 12-1/Ohio State 11-1 AP/Coaches: Florida
My pick: Ohio State Florida beat FSU in the Sugar Bowl on a second shot. I thought Ohio State's victory over undefeated ASU in the Rose Bowl was more impressive.

1994: Nebraska 13-0/Penn State 12-0 AP/Coaches: Nebraska
My pick: Nebraska I would have voted for JoePa back in 94 for a split, but the Nittamy Lions did not have a standout defense that season.

1993: Florida State 12-1/Notre Dame 11-1 AP/Coaches: Florida State
My pick: Notre Dame Forget the Glenn Foley upset, both teams had 1 loss and Notre Dame beat FSU. End of story.

1991: Miami 12-0/Washington 12-0 AP: Miami Coaches: Washington
My pick: Washington Tough call. Washington was the more physical team, but Miami had a big advantage in speed and atheleticism.

1990: Colorado 11-1-1/Georgia Tech 11-0-1 AP: Colorado UPI: Georgia Tech
My pick: Georgia Tech One of the weakest seasons ever in college football history. G.T. was no juggernaut by any means, but Colorado was the beneficiary of the fifth down game that season against Missouri.

In a later post, I will breakdown the 1982 (Penn State-SMU), 1978 (Alabama-USC), 1974 (Oklahoma-USC), 1973 (Notre Dame-Alabama), 1966 (Notre Dame-Michigan State), 1965 (Alabama-Michigan St), 1964 (Alabama-Arkansas-Notre Dame) and 1960 (Minnesota, Mississippi) NC controversies.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

VOTE for who you think is the TRUE National Champion

This is a most excellent thread idea, 52. Much props.

2004: USC 13-0/Auburn 13-0 AP/Coaches: USC
My pick: Auburn Going undefeated in the SEC is much more impressive than going unbeated in the Pac-10 in my book.


SoCal's Take: USC. I still believe USC was a mediocre champion compared to other champions although 2004 was utterly lacking in truly special teams. Auburn was a fine team but they suffered from the same maladies and inconsistencies that USC faced, namely struggling often with lesser opponents in the year. USC was the better team but neither were very special.

2003: USC 12-1/LSU 13-1 AP: USC Coaches: LSU
My pick: USC

SoCal's Take: USC. USC's 2003 squad was not only far superior to their 2004 title team but also a very good champion in its own right. I thought they were very solid. LSU had some great talent on the defensive line but I think USC was much more well rounded, especially on offense with studs like Williams and Colbert out wide with their explosive backfield and very solid OL led by Jacobs and Vandermade.


2002: Miami vs. Ohio State Did Ohio State win legitimately? Yes or No?
Yes

SoCal's Take: No and Yes at the same time. Before I get accused of homerism, I want to make a few points. First of all, I concede that Ohio State OUTPLAYED Miami in the game and definitely OUTCOACHED Miami. In that sense, OSU was deserving however games are determined by the score. Ohio State fans will likely point to the 3rd down play whereby Kelly Jennings grabbed the reciever and prevented a completion which would have allowed the clock to run out. And its true, no interference was called when their likely should have been an interference call. The key however is that these types of plays were going on all night. Both secondaries were mugging the recievers and in turn the recievers pushed the corners around as well. It was a very physical game. Case in point, during the overtime period, OSU faced a 4th and 14, the reciever, it may have been Jenkins I dont remember specificially ran a deep comeback route shoving the Miami corner to get seperation and then caught the pass to keep Miami from the title. The point is there was physical shoving going on all night that was allowed by the officiating crew. On the infamous 4th down endzone fade play, there is NO DOUBT that Miami's Glenn Sharpe held up the reciever. I fully concede this. However, as we know, what is "pass interference" is very nebulous and essentially is set by the referees on a game to game basis and thus it is not reasonable to punish players who act in reliance on what the officials have called to be interference so far in the game. Applied here, it was unfair to punish Sharpe for what was far less physical a shove and grab than what had repeatedly been allowed by both sides during the game. The players have to rely on what the officials have been calling during the game. You cannot suddenly change it up and thats exactly what Terry porter did. This is precisely the argument made by former Miami DB coach Mark Stoops after the game. It was and remains patently unfair to punish Glenn Sharpe for less egregious activity than what was being allowed during the game. The player relied justifiably to his detriment on behavior that was being sanctioned by the officials. Had the refs not switched up the standards, Miami would have won. As I already admitted, Ohio State OUTPLAYED Miami, t hey beat us to the punch, they outphysicalled us and outsmarted us. In that sense, their victory was legit but in the sense that you have to actually win the game to legitimatize your victory, they did not win the game. Under the interpretations already clearly delineated by the crew, the key play, which deprived Miami of the title, was not interference and Miami should have won.

2001: Would Oregon have beaten Miami in the Rose Bowl? Yes or No?
No

SoCal's Take: No way. The 2001 Miami team might have been the most talented in the last couple decades. On that night, they were firing on all cylinders. Miami had only 1.5 poor games out of 12 the entire season. When they were on, they were better than anyone, maybe anyone ever in the college sense and that night in Pasadena they were on. This was a team with 8 first rounders on the starting defense and one of the greatest offensive lines of all time as well. The offense was chock full of weapons featuring future pro bowlers Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey and Andre Johnson and a steady captain in Ken Dorsey This was a team that beat ranked opponents by scores like 58-0 and 65-7 in the regular season. Ranked opponents!! This was truly one of the great champions of all time if not the greatest, although Nebraska of 1995 also can make a very strong claim. Oregon was a fine football team but no match for Miami. Harrington was a very good QB and they had a balanced attack with an oppurtunistic defense, but this is also a team that lost at home to a slightly above average Stanford team in a shootout giving up over 40 points. Oregon's defense just wasnt consistent and top notch. They gave up 28 in the season opener to a Wisconsin team that wasnt special and actually had the Ducks on the ropes. Oregon was a good football team, but would have been overwhelmed by the speed of Miami on defense in particular. Eric Crouch mentioned that it took him only about 10 plays to realize that was the fastest defense he had ever seen, and on option plays where they successfully put a hat on everyone and forced the defensive end to choose between himself and the back that he said he would normally break for 40 yards he was getting thrown down after about 8-10 yards.

2000: Would Miami have beaten Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl? Yes or No?
Yes

SoCal's Take: Not Sure, but possibly, too close to call. Oklahoma had a great defense but the thing that hurt Florida St. in the title game was no balance. Their Running game wasnt special. Miami had a very balanced attack with a much better OL than FSU had. It would have been very close because on that night, Oklahoma's defense was in a zone, thats why I dont get a definitie feel either way. I'll tell you this though, the 2000 Miami team was about as talented as they come, although the OLBs were not that good and the back four on defense, while very talented hadnt yet hit its peak.


1997: Michigan 12-0/Nebraska 13-0 AP: Michigan Coaches: Nebraska
My pick: Michigan Nebraska should have never been rewarded a split NC for that fluke win at Missouri.

SoCal's Pick: Dilemma. On one hand I thought Nebraska was the better team, certainly by the end of the season and their Orange Bowl destruction of Manning was far more impressive than Michigan's escape against Washington St. in Pasadena but 52 is quite correct, the infamous fluke pass that was bobbled and freakishly caught really makes me uneasy. Neither was a truly elite champion but Nebraska was a little more imrpessive to me during the course of the season despite that game than Michigan was and this was certainly the case in the bowls.

1996: Florida 12-1/Ohio State 11-1 AP/Coaches: Florida
My pick: Ohio State Florida beat FSU in the Sugar Bowl on a second shot. I thought Ohio State's victory over undefeated ASU in the Rose Bowl was more impressive.
SoCal's Pick: Florida. The Fun and Gun was unstoppable in 1996. While they did get a second shot against FSU, I cannot agree that their win was less impressive than Ohio State's win over ASU in the Rose. OSU barely escaped and needed to mount a final comeback drive engineered quite nicely by Joe Germaine to beat Arizona State, who while ranked No. 2 overall at the time, was not a really elite team, even though they shut out Nebraska 19-0 that year. Florida on the other hand totally dismantled No. 1 Florida State 52-20 passing and running with shocking ease. Florida was the No. 1 team for the vast majority of the season and until the FSU game which they barely lost in Tallahassee to the no. 2 ranked team at the time, Fla. was completely dominant from start to finish in the season. Defensive coordinators were bewildered by Coach Spurrier's deep option routes and Florida was consistently beat everyone down, but for Vanderbilt as Woody Widenhofer's unique defense was the only thing to give Spurrier fits over the course of several seasons of SEC play. That Florida team was one of the great champions.


1994: Nebraska 13-0/Penn State 12-0 AP/Coaches: Nebraska
My pick: Nebraska I would have voted for JoePa back in 94 for a split, but the Nittamy Lions did not have a standout defense that season.
SoCal's Pick: Nebraska. I concur with you 52, Penn St.'s defense was not quite up to snuff and they never really played any high caliber teams so that we could weigh how good they were. They trampled a slightly above average USC team in the season opener and closed out the season with a big victory over a weak conference champion in Oregon. Their midseason 35-28 struggle against Indiana or Miami of Ohio I believe really raised question marks. Nebraska was a good team although nowhere near as awesome as the 1995 version. Neither was great but Nebraska was better.


1993: Florida State 12-1/Notre Dame 11-1 AP/Coaches: Florida State
My pick: Notre Dame Forget the Glenn Foley upset, both teams had 1 loss and Notre Dame beat FSU. End of story.
SoCal's Take: Florida State. Florida State in 1993 was one of the great champions in the era, I believe. They had everything. Ward was on an unbelievable high from Day 1 when they smoked Kansas in the Coaches Kickoff Classic till the end of the year. This was a thoroughly dominant team. Great recivers in McCorvey and Vanover. Dunn was a feared weapon and the defense was shutdown with Brooks and Clifton Abraham. They whipped Miami 27-10 and easily disposed of Florida 33-21 in the Swamp. In terms of the actual gameplay, I thought their historic tilt in South Bend was basically a draw. While Notre Dame did win, it was only by 7 and they had home field advantage. Notre Dame's consistency and gameplay during the season nowhere near matched Florida State's. While FSU did struggle in the Orange Bowl against Nebraska, Notre Dame similarly struggled against an opponent significantly weaker than Nebraska in Texas A&M in the cotton.


1991: Miami 12-0/Washington 12-0 AP: Miami Coaches: Washington
My pick: Washington Tough call. Washington was the more physical team, but Miami had a big advantage in speed and atheleticism.
SoCal's Take: Too close to call. This is too difficult to call. I think Washington's 3-4 defense in 1991 led by Steve Emtman was one of the all time great defenses certainly on par with Alabama's defense the following year and Arizona's the year following that. While Miami had a very good offensive line led by future all pro Leon Searcy, they would have given us fits especially since Miami was one dimensional on offense. I do think however that Miami would have completed some big pass plays because the trio of Horace Copeland, Lamar Thomas and Kevin Williams was extremely explosive. Similarly, I think Miami would have shut down Washington's offense cold as well. Washington was balanced and very good but most Hurricane faithful feel that the 1991 Miami defense is the greatest one ever to be featured in Coral Gables. Rusty Madearis was an absolute beast on the defensive line. The entire defensive line was monster with Krein and Patrick. And Miami had quite possible the greatest single linebacking trio in the history of college football in 1991 with the much feared "Bermuda Triangle" of Jessie Armstead, Michael Barrow and Darrin Smith. This crew went up to No. 1 ranked FSU in Tallahassee and held their offense to a meager 16 points. The back four had talent too with future NFL star Ryan McNeil. Miami gave up only 100 points the entire season, including the Orange Bowl game! Both teams were both great, I cant really say one was better, even a litte bit than the other. Its just too hard to make a call and too hard to say who would win if they played as well.

1990: Colorado 11-1-1/Georgia Tech 11-0-1 AP: Colorado UPI: Georgia Tech
My pick: Georgia Tech One of the weakest seasons ever in college football history. G.T. was no juggernaut by any means, but Colorado was the beneficiary of the fifth down game that season against Missouri.
SoCal's Take: Cant comment because I only watched a little here and there in 1990 didnt start following College Ball consistently until 1991.


In a later post, I will breakdown the 1982 (Penn State-SMU), 1978 (Alabama-USC), 1974 (Oklahoma-USC), 1973 (Notre Dame-Alabama), 1966 (Notre Dame-Michigan State), 1965 (Alabama-Michigan St), 1964 (Alabama-Arkansas-Notre Dame) and 1960 (Minnesota, Mississippi) NC controversies.

This was a great, great idea 52 !!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Great fun guys. I am one of the minority that think there should be no playoff system. Discussing these controversies is much more fun than having the season suddenly end with a final game.

[Master___Pain]

That Mizzou game can't be held against CU.In fact, Mizzou fans deserve having the "5th Down game linger over their heads after they watered down the field (Astroturf mind you) and made it a freaking skating rink. That did a good job of neutralizing the CU speed and agility. The teams that CU beat that year was a laundry list of the top 20.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

Great fun guys. I am one of the minority that think there should be no playoff system. Discussing these controversies is much more fun than having the season suddenly end with a final game.

Hey Big Guy, I am looking forward to reading your post, whenever you get a chance on each of these controversies!

[FADERPROOF]

Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

VOTE for who you think is the TRUE National Champion


2004: USC 13-0/Auburn 13-0 AP/Coaches: USC
My pick: Auburn Going undefeated in the SEC is much more impressive than going unbeated in the Pac-10 in my book.

2003: USC 12-1/LSU 13-1 AP: USC Coaches: LSU
My pick: USC

2002: Miami vs. Ohio State Did Ohio State win legitimately? Yes or No?
Yes

2001: Would Oregon have beaten Miami in the Rose Bowl? Yes or No?
No

2000: Would Miami have beaten Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl? Yes or No?
Yes

1997: Michigan 12-0/Nebraska 13-0 AP: Michigan Coaches: Nebraska
My pick: Michigan Nebraska should have never been rewarded a split NC for that fluke win at Missouri.

1996: Florida 12-1/Ohio State 11-1 AP/Coaches: Florida
My pick: Ohio State Florida beat FSU in the Sugar Bowl on a second shot. I thought Ohio State's victory over undefeated ASU in the Rose Bowl was more impressive.

1994: Nebraska 13-0/Penn State 12-0 AP/Coaches: Nebraska
My pick: Nebraska I would have voted for JoePa back in 94 for a split, but the Nittamy Lions did not have a standout defense that season.

1993: Florida State 12-1/Notre Dame 11-1 AP/Coaches: Florida State
My pick: Notre Dame Forget the Glenn Foley upset, both teams had 1 loss and Notre Dame beat FSU. End of story.

1991: Miami 12-0/Washington 12-0 AP: Miami Coaches: Washington
My pick: Washington Tough call. Washington was the more physical team, but Miami had a big advantage in speed and atheleticism.

1990: Colorado 11-1-1/Georgia Tech 11-0-1 AP: Colorado UPI: Georgia Tech
My pick: Georgia Tech One of the weakest seasons ever in college football history. G.T. was no juggernaut by any means, but Colorado was the beneficiary of the fifth down game that season against Missouri.

In a later post, I will breakdown the 1982 (Penn State-SMU), 1978 (Alabama-USC), 1974 (Oklahoma-USC), 1973 (Notre Dame-Alabama), 1966 (Notre Dame-Michigan State), 1965 (Alabama-Michigan St), 1964 (Alabama-Arkansas-Notre Dame) and 1960 (Minnesota, Mississippi) NC controversies.

2004: Auburn

Call me a biased SEC ootball fan, but I watched Auburn dismantle teams last year, including Tennessee twice(once at Neyland even.)

2003: LSU

Again, I'm a tad biased but LSU was wicked strong that year and deserved the title

2002: Ohio State

Come on now, really think I'm going to say Miami?If the ref calls either pass interference on Jennings for mugging Jenkins, the catch in bounds(which it was) on that same play, or the clip during the punt reurn that put Miami in FG range to tie the game, OSU wins this without controversy in regulation.

2001: Miami

Oregon, along with 115 other D-1 schools, had a snowballs chance in hell against Miami that year

2000: Oklahoma

Close game, but OU pulls out the tough win for the title

1997: Nebraska

**** Michigan, that is all.

1996: Florida

Give them the trophy, we didnt beat Michigan that season and it just wouldnt be right winning the title without devouring that team up north to get to it.

1994: Nebraska

Would be a close one, but NU would've won

1993: Notre Dame

I ****ing hate that school, but they earned it.


1991: Washington

Washington would've pounded Miami down, Miami had finesse but Washington laid the hammer down that season.

1990: Bowl season cancelled, no national title awarded

Would've made more sense than suffer through either Colorado or Georgia Tech winning it.

1966 was the biggest joke of them all though, Alabama got screwed like no other.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Hey Big Guy, I am looking forward to reading your post, whenever you get a chance on each of these controversies!

Thanks I will try to make some time tonight, but I'll give you another.

http://www.cqql.net/msu-1966.htm

1966 - Michigan State - Notre Dame MSU had Bubba Smith, Clinton Jones, Gene Washington (not the one who fined Lynch), George Webster, Aaron Brown, Ed Mcloud and the first barefoot kicker Dick Kenney. Jimmy Raye, the current Faders OC was the MSU QB. (SoCal - if memeory serves me correctly Don Highsmith was on the freshman team) They also had a FB named Bob Apisa who was a huge (34 inch thighs) Samoan, but he was out with a busted knee (Great triva Question - What is Bob Apisa doing now?- answer to follow). Nick Eddy of ND bails out of the game getting hurt getting off the train. Bubba knocks Terry Hanratty into never never land. Third string MSU RB named Reggie Cavender scores a TD and Ara goes for the tie and the polls give the National Championship to ND. 33 players who were in that game played in the NFL.

Greatest game ever. The local HS players ofter served as ushers at the MSU games. I was stationed about half way up the first level around the 30 yard line.

Bob Apisa, at least as of a year ago, was Tom Selleck's body guard and gets small acting rolls - usually as a thug standing in the shadows beating the crap out of someone.

[Evenrude]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

That Mizzou game can't be held against CU.In fact, Mizzou fans deserve having the "5th Down game linger over their heads after they watered down the field (Astroturf mind you) and made it a freaking skating rink. That did a good job of neutralizing the CU speed and agility. The teams that CU beat that year was a laundry list of the top 20.

Fun Fact:

The line judge for that game? Scott Cook, secondary school principle York, Nebraska. My home town.

The year after that happened one of the high school homecoming floats had a sign that said "Fairbury will need five downs to beat York". Mr. Cook was not amused.

I still think CU was the best team in the country that year.

[Unleash Hell]

CU played the nations toughest schedule in 90 and beat two teams that finsihed in the top 10, tied one that finished in the top 10, and beat 4 other teams that finished in the top 25. Thats right, half of CU's schedule in 90 finished in the top 25.

[InTheBuff]

Originally Posted by Unleash Hell

CU played the nations toughest schedule in 90 and beat two teams that finsihed in the top 10, tied one that finished in the top 10, and beat 4 other teams that finished in the top 25. Thats right, half of CU's schedule in 90 finished in the top 25.

You have no arguement from me ....

[Hercules Rockefeller]

People always fail to point out that 4th down was a spike, it's not like it took CU 5 "real" plays to score against Mizzou.

[Unleash Hell]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

People always fail to point out that 4th down was a spike, it's not like it took CU 5 "real" plays to score against Mizzou.

Yep, everything said 3rd down when they spiked it. The yard marker and scoreboard.

Also isn't it ironic that Nebraska had a fluke play to win the game at Mizzou to share a NC as well. I don't hear people complaining about that.

CU gets 5th down win at Mizzou in 90 and goes on to share NC with Georgia Tech.

NU gets kicked pass TD to win at Mizzou in 97 and goes on to share NC with Michigan.

I think the point is, sometimes you need a little luck on your side. As for 1990 just compare the schedules of teams that Colorado beat and finished in the top 25 and do the same for Georgia Tech. CU played a much tougher schedule.

[Pezman]

Lest we forget that Uncle Tom was the one who voted that deciding vote for Georgia Tech that year. B-52, you obviously need to pull back the schedules for that '90 campaign and think more clearly about Georgia Tech IMO.

The biggest joke of all was Ohio State people. Have you ever seen a weaker call to give a team a national title

[SoonerBronco]

Originally Posted by Pezman

Lest we forget that Uncle Tom was the one who voted that deciding vote for Georgia Tech that year. B-52, you obviously need to pull back the schedules for that '90 campaign and think more clearly about Georgia Tech IMO.

The biggest joke of all was Ohio State people. Have you ever seen a weaker call to give a team a national title

Uh oh Pez, your gonna get Fader all worked up...

[Pezman]

Originally Posted by SoonerBronco

Uh oh Pez, your gonna get Fader all worked up...

Shhhh that was the idea

[BMF Bronco]

In 1997, Do you all forget who the quarterback for Michigan was, on GENERAL PRINCIPLE you have to give it to Nebraska!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fluke or not, it was a legit catch in the endzone, flukes are ones like hail mary's to beat michigan in what was that 94?

[SoonerBronco]

Originally Posted by BMF Bronco

In 1997, Do you all forget who the quarterback for Michigan was, on GENERAL PRINCIPLE you have to give it to Nebraska!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fluke or not, it was a legit catch in the endzone, flukes are ones like hail mary's to beat michigan in what was that 94?

I agree with you there. Nebraska made Peyton Manning look like Brian Griese in the Orange Bowl that year. Everyone needs a little luck to win a mythical national championship. OU in 2000 had the INT return for a TD to win at A&M.

[BMF Bronco]

Not to mention the Nebraska would have thumped michigan in 97, hands down.

[Bronco LB 59]

Originally Posted by BMF Bronco

In 1997, Do you all forget who the quarterback for Michigan was, on GENERAL PRINCIPLE you have to give it to Nebraska!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fluke or not, it was a legit catch in the endzone, flukes are ones like hail mary's to beat michigan in what was that 94?

SOB or not, you will never be able to convince anybody in here that Scott Frost is a more worthy QB of a National Championship.

CU's Hail Mary was not a fluke. Michael Westbrook burned Ty Law and Kordell Stewart's arm sailed over his head. A great throw on the money does not translate to a fluke.

Scott Frost's endzone throw in Columbia should have been picked off.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally Posted by Pezman

Lest we forget that Uncle Tom was the one who voted that deciding vote for Georgia Tech that year. B-52, you obviously need to pull back the schedules for that '90 campaign and think more clearly about Georgia Tech IMO.

The biggest joke of all was Ohio State people. Have you ever seen a weaker call to give a team a national title

Only 4 more titles and you guys have as many as us, barring another national title win for OSU.

And we didn't even need a split to win the title...

[Bronco LB 59]

Originally Posted by Pezman

Lest we forget that Uncle Tom was the one who voted that deciding vote for Georgia Tech that year. B-52, you obviously need to pull back the schedules for that '90 campaign and think more clearly about Georgia Tech IMO.

CU's key games in 1990 (rankings are final AP after bowls):

T #8 Tennessee 31-31
L #25 Illinois 22-23
W #12 Texas 29-22
W #5 Washington 20-14
W* 4-7 Missouri 33-31
W #17 Oklahoma 32-23
W #24 Nebraska 27-12
W #6 Notre Dame Orange Bowl 10-9

*5th down game

GT's key games in 1990:

W #9 Clemson 21-19
T 6-4-1 North Carolina 13-13
W #23 Virginia 41-38 When G.T. won this game, Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and the Cavaliers were ranked #1 in the country
W Georgia 40-23
W #24 Nebraska Citrus Bowl 45-21

It's close. Do you value an unbeaten team or do you take a 10-2-1 squad that played a murderous schedule?

[Pezman]

Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

CU's key games in 1990 (rankings are final AP after bowls):

T #8 Tennessee 31-31
L #25 Illinois 22-23
W #12 Texas 29-22
W #5 Washington 20-14
W* 4-7 Missouri 33-31
W #17 Oklahoma 32-23
W #24 Nebraska 27-12
W #6 Notre Dame Orange Bowl 10-9

*5th down game

GT's key games in 1990:

W #9 Clemson 21-19
T 6-4-1 North Carolina 13-13
W #23 Virginia 41-38 When G.T. won this game, Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and the Cavaliers were ranked #1 in the country
W Georgia 40-23
W #24 Nebraska Citrus Bowl 45-21

It's close. Do you value an unbeaten team or do you take a 10-2-1 squad that played a murderous schedule?

Who was 10-2-1?

11-1-1 was CU's record that season

You know, when Denfan was still in diapers and couldnt appreciate anything yet

[FADERPROOF]

Originally Posted by Pezman

Who was 10-2-1?

11-1-1 was CU's record that season

You know, when Denfan was still in diapers and couldnt appreciate anything yet

I still don't appreciate anything any team does other than Ohio State

[Unleash Hell]

Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

CU's key games in 1990 (rankings are final AP after bowls):

T #8 Tennessee 31-31
L #25 Illinois 22-23
W #12 Texas 29-22
W #5 Washington 20-14
W* 4-7 Missouri 33-31
W #17 Oklahoma 32-23
W #24 Nebraska 27-12
W #6 Notre Dame Orange Bowl 10-9

*5th down game

GT's key games in 1990:

W #9 Clemson 21-19
T 6-4-1 North Carolina 13-13
W #23 Virginia 41-38 When G.T. won this game, Shawn Moore, Herman Moore and the Cavaliers were ranked #1 in the country
W Georgia 40-23
W #24 Nebraska Citrus Bowl 45-21

It's close. Do you value an unbeaten team or do you take a 10-2-1 squad that played a murderous schedule?

Looks to me like no contest, CU had the tougher schedule in a landslide. 7 ranked teams for CU, 3 ranked teams for GT. And as you mention the note about Virginia ranked #1 when GT beat em, Nebraska was ranked #2 when CU beat them in Lincoln and look were the huskers finished, look where Virginia finished. And Nebraska knew that all they had to do was beat CU and they would be #1, as the PA announcer announced that Virginia had lost midway through the 3rd quarter of the Colorado game.

CU beat or tied THREE confrence champions: Washington (Pac 10), Texas (SWC), Tennessee (SEC).

Now, how many confrence champions did GT beat? ZERO!

WHo did GT beat in a bowl? #24 Nebraska
WHo did CU beat in a bowl? #6 Notre Dame


Oh ya, CU was 11-1-1

Compare the facts, if you still think Georgia Tech had a schedule like CU's you need to seek some serious help.

[Bronco LB 59]

Originally Posted by Unleash Hell

Compare the facts, if you still think Georgia Tech had a schedule like CU's you need to seek some serious help.

Calm down.

I haven't written in any of my posts that Georgia Tech played a tougher schedule.

Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

Do you value an unbeaten team or do you take a 10-2-1 squad that played a murderous schedule?

The 10-2-1 comment was tongue in cheek because I still don't think very highly of their fifth down win in Columbia. Other than that, I really don't have much of a problem with the 90 Buffaloes. In fact, I was rooting for them at the time to win it all.