Jagwads not pleased with Hayward right now - The Orange Mane

Mile High Shack · 08-22-2005, 08:17 AM

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-onlin...19559842.shtml

he sure isn't worth what they signed him for

Mediator12 · 08-22-2005, 08:19 AM

He certainly is no Bert Berry

DivineLegion · 08-22-2005, 08:22 AM

I wonder why we picked up the whole Browns D-line....

Billy Clyde Puckett · 08-22-2005, 08:24 AM

I hope he does well except in the Broncs game. Would be nice to have a good comp pick for him.

Arkie · 08-22-2005, 08:35 AM

John Henderson hasn't done anything as well, but I still believe they have the best line in the league.

bendog · 08-22-2005, 08:35 AM

I was more miffed with Berrry leaving than this guy. Berry seemed to get stronger and stay fast.

DivineLegion · 08-22-2005, 08:36 AM

They do but who are their LBs

Arkie · 08-22-2005, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DivineLegion

They do but who are their LBs

They have Mike Peterson and Nate Wayne.

Mediator12 · 08-22-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DivineLegion

They do but who are their LBs

Akin Ayodele, Mike peterson, and Daryl smith. The first two are very good up and coming LB's. Do not know much about D. smith though.

As for their DL, Henderson and Stroud are great DT's but the Ends are still average and I think they are only about the tenth best DL.

Bronco_Beerslug · 08-22-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DivineLegion

They do but who are their LBs

Oh, just some guys that had over 16 sacks to our 5 sacks.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/JAC

OrangeShadow · 08-22-2005, 08:44 AM

Id rather have bertland berry than hayward.

Rascal · 08-22-2005, 08:48 AM

Also sounds like the Pats signed Andre Davis.

Hercules Rockefeller · 08-22-2005, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

I hope he does well except in the Broncs game. Would be nice to have a good comp pick for him.

Comp picks are based more off of the contract they get rather than how they play.

watermock · 08-22-2005, 08:50 AM

Hayward, the team's marquee free-agent signing, failed to record a sack, tackle or assist for the second time in as many games Saturday night in a 20-17 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Hayward, who came from Denver in March after notching a career-high 10 1/2 sacks last season, played into the second quarter along with the rest of the Jaguars' starting defense against Tampa Bay but once again did not turn up on the postgame statistical sheet.

That was in sharp contrast to his replacement, Rob Meier, who took over for Hayward at right end just before halftime and immediately sacked backup Tampa Bay quarterback Chris Simms. Meier then moved inside to right tackle and had another sack of Simms on the next play.

No tackles, assists or sack his first two games with the #1 unit, and he's surrounded by talent on the DL. Told ya so. Now who's laughing east coast media? *perks up ear to hear what Salsbury Steak says next*. I said Berry was twice the player Hayward was three years ago.

broncosteven · 08-22-2005, 08:53 AM

He might show up for the game against us but other than that I don't see him motivated to do anything this year. He was an underachiver here he will be worse now that he got his payday.

Garcia Bronco · 08-22-2005, 08:55 AM

He'll be alright

Arkie · 08-22-2005, 08:57 AM

I think the Jags defense was pretty good last year when we only scored 6 points. The line will be improved at both ends when we face them again. LDE Spicer didn't play against us last year. That will be a tough game.

rbackfactory80 · 08-22-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosko

John Henderson hasn't done anything as well, but I still believe they have the best line in the league.

I dont think so. Jets or panthers JUst think about it, you would take henderson stroud and hayward over jenkins rucker and peppers. No way. Jenkins and peppers are probably the best in the game at their positions.

watermock · 08-22-2005, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

He'll be alright

Yeah, he's got a top 5 DL around him to cover his ass. Sorry, but I'll take Ian Gold at 8.5 million over that guy for 10. And throw in 5 players for the same money.

Rascal · 08-22-2005, 09:04 AM

Not Jets. Abraham is going to sit the year out IMO. Panthers you can argue about.

watermock · 08-22-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosko

I think the Jags defense was pretty good last year when we only scored 6 points. The line will be improved at both ends when we face them again. LDE Spicer didn't play against us last year. That will be a tough game.

That's the whole point. Hayward should be thriving with the supporting cast around him. Two weeks and hasn't even shown up in the stat line?

rbackfactory80 · 08-22-2005, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Not Jets. Abraham is going to sit the year out IMO. Panthers you can argue about.

No doubt abraham is a punk and I lost a lot of respect for him after sitting out in the playoffs last year but he will play this year.

ozomulsion · 08-22-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

I hope he does well except in the Broncs game. Would be nice to have a good comp pick for him.

Don't get me wrong, at this point in their careers, I would much rather have Berry. But we must not forget that Heyward has 22 sacks through his first 4 years in the league and Berry had a whole 7 sacks through his first four years! I have a feeling, if they would have started out at the same time in their respective careers, people around here would have a much different opinion about the situation. JMHO folks.

Mediator12 · 08-22-2005, 09:20 AM

Better DL's than the Jags:

1. Bears-Ogunleye, alex Brown, Tank Johnson, and Tommie Harris
2. Bucs-Simeon Rice, Mcfarland, Greg Spires, and Others
3. Cards-Berry, Okeafor, Dockett, and Others
4. Eagles- Kearse, Simon, Mcdougle, and Others
5. Jets-Ellis, Abraham, Robertson, and others
6. Panthers- Best in the league IMHO
7. Pats-Seymour, Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Jarvis Green
8. Saints-Charles Grant, Darren Howard, Will Smith, and Brian Young
9. Steelers-Aaron Smith, Casey hampton, Kimo von Oelhoffen
10. Vikings-Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Kenechi Udeze, and Possibly Erasmus James

I think these are more complete DL's than the Jaguars.

BTW, that does not include DEN who I think will be there after some initial growing pains.

Arkie · 08-22-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by watermock

That's the whole point. Hayward should be thriving with the supporting cast around him. Two weeks and hasn't even shown up in the stat line?

The first team defense played two series the last game, both 3 and outs. That's called doing your job. That's six plays. I bet other players didn't show up on the stat sheet.

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08-22-2005, 08:17 AM	#1
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	Jagwads not pleased with Hayward right now http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-onlin...19559842.shtml he sure isn't worth what they signed him for Last edited by Mile High Shack; 08-22-2005 at 09:23 AM..

08-22-2005, 08:19 AM	#2
Mediator12 OM analyst REAL Front Seven Bandwagon !!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INDY Posts: 9,701 Adopt-a-Bronco: Malik Jackson	He certainly is no Bert Berry

08-22-2005, 08:22 AM	#3
DivineLegion There can only be one... G.O.A.T Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Peak of Good Living Posts: 4,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	I wonder why we picked up the whole Browns D-line....

08-22-2005, 08:24 AM	#4
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	I hope he does well except in the Broncs game. Would be nice to have a good comp pick for him.

08-22-2005, 08:35 AM	#5
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,082 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	John Henderson hasn't done anything as well, but I still believe they have the best line in the league.

08-22-2005, 08:35 AM	#6
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I was more miffed with Berrry leaving than this guy. Berry seemed to get stronger and stay fast.

08-22-2005, 08:36 AM	#7
DivineLegion There can only be one... G.O.A.T Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Peak of Good Living Posts: 4,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	They do but who are their LBs

08-22-2005, 08:44 AM	#11
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	Id rather have bertland berry than hayward.

08-22-2005, 08:48 AM	#12
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Also sounds like the Pats signed Andre Davis.

08-22-2005, 08:50 AM	#14
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Hayward, the team's marquee free-agent signing, failed to record a sack, tackle or assist for the second time in as many games Saturday night in a 20-17 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Hayward, who came from Denver in March after notching a career-high 10 1/2 sacks last season, played into the second quarter along with the rest of the Jaguars' starting defense against Tampa Bay but once again did not turn up on the postgame statistical sheet. That was in sharp contrast to his replacement, Rob Meier, who took over for Hayward at right end just before halftime and immediately sacked backup Tampa Bay quarterback Chris Simms. Meier then moved inside to right tackle and had another sack of Simms on the next play. No tackles, assists or sack his first two games with the #1 unit, and he's surrounded by talent on the DL. Told ya so. Now who's laughing east coast media? perks up ear to hear what Salsbury Steak says next. I said Berry was twice the player Hayward was three years ago.

08-22-2005, 08:53 AM	#15
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,028 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	He might show up for the game against us but other than that I don't see him motivated to do anything this year. He was an underachiver here he will be worse now that he got his payday.

08-22-2005, 08:55 AM	#16
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	He'll be alright

08-22-2005, 08:57 AM	#17
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,082 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	I think the Jags defense was pretty good last year when we only scored 6 points. The line will be improved at both ends when we face them again. LDE Spicer didn't play against us last year. That will be a tough game.

08-22-2005, 09:04 AM	#20
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Not Jets. Abraham is going to sit the year out IMO. Panthers you can argue about.

08-22-2005, 09:20 AM	#24
Mediator12 OM analyst REAL Front Seven Bandwagon !!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INDY Posts: 9,701 Adopt-a-Bronco: Malik Jackson	Better DL's than the Jags: 1. Bears-Ogunleye, alex Brown, Tank Johnson, and Tommie Harris 2. Bucs-Simeon Rice, Mcfarland, Greg Spires, and Others 3. Cards-Berry, Okeafor, Dockett, and Others 4. Eagles- Kearse, Simon, Mcdougle, and Others 5. Jets-Ellis, Abraham, Robertson, and others 6. Panthers- Best in the league IMHO 7. Pats-Seymour, Wilfork, Ty Warren, and Jarvis Green 8. Saints-Charles Grant, Darren Howard, Will Smith, and Brian Young 9. Steelers-Aaron Smith, Casey hampton, Kimo von Oelhoffen 10. Vikings-Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Kenechi Udeze, and Possibly Erasmus James I think these are more complete DL's than the Jaguars. BTW, that does not include DEN who I think will be there after some initial growing pains.