Frist Now Says He Supports Stem Cell Research

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Of course, with 2/3s of Americans supporting it he realizes he has to support it if he wants to be president. And distancing himself from Bush who continues to see his ratings fall would be a good idea.

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Frist Breaks With Bush on Stem-Cell Bill
By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON - Breaking with
President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Friday he now supports legislation to remove some of the administration's limitations on embryonic stem cell research.

Frist, an abortion opponent who just last month said he did not support expanding federal financing of research on embryos, said his decision was consistent with both his experience as a physician and his anti-abortion stance.

"Now is the time to expand the president's policy because it's promising research, but it must be done in a way that is ethically considerate, that respects the dignity of human life," said Frist, who also is a heart and lung transplant surgeon.

The Tennessee Republican, who has been said to be eyeing a run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, said only stem cells from embryos that "would otherwise be discarded," not implanted in a woman or frozen indefinitely, should be considered for research.

Bush has threatened to veto legislation for expanded financial support for stem cell research. A bill to finance more stem cell research has passed the House, but has been stalled in the Senate. Frist's support could push it closer to passage and set up a confrontation with Bush.

Interviewed on ABC's "Good Morning America," Frist said his decision was based on policy, not politics.
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[bronco_diesel]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Of course, with 2/3s of Americans supporting it he realizes he has to support it if he wants to be president. And distancing himself from Bush who continues to see his ratings fall would be a good idea.

you crack me up. how long have you been moaning about this stuff? so a guy takes a more moderate stance on something - which is what you guys wish they'd do, and what do you do?

is there ever anything that you can actually agree on or support that the conservative may do? even when they move to a more moderate stance - or is it just easier to continue to breed negativity?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

you crack me up. how long have you been moaning about this stuff? so a guy takes a more moderate stance on something - which is what you guys wish they'd do, and what do you do?

is there ever anything that you can actually agree on or support that the conservative may do? even when they move to a more moderate stance - or is it just easier to continue to breed negativity?

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What didn't you understand about the post? Frist is against any form of abortion and just said this last month...

But the announcement, coming just a month after Frist said he did not support expanded financing "at this juncture," could help him with centrist voters.

"I give huge moral significance to the human embryo, it is nascent human life," he said. "What that means is as we advance science, we treat that embryo with dignity, with respect." .

I guess if you like Kerry you gotta like this guy, right?

[bronco_diesel]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

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What didn't you understand about the post? Frist is against any form of abortion and just said this last month..

i fully understand the post. it is you that i do not understand. help me clarify this.

"only stem cells from embryos that "would otherwise be discarded," not implanted in a woman or frozen indefinitely, should be considered for research."

and isn't this what you guys have been asking for? it's an argument i have heard...maybe not directly by you. this is my point, he takes a more moderate stance to a position that libs have been saying needs to be taken. so now why do you bash it? hasn't this been the argument - that abortion happens and good or bad, there are embryo's that can be studied? so even though we may not agree with the ethics on abortion, since it is happening and it will take a supreme court ruling to stop - shouldn't we take advantage of the resources available?

so i ask again, why is it when a guy takes a step your way, you still breed the negative tones toward him?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

i fully understand the post. it is you that i do not understand. help me clarify this.

"only stem cells from embryos that "would otherwise be discarded," not implanted in a woman or frozen indefinitely, should be considered for research."

and isn't this what you guys have been asking for? it's an argument i have heard...maybe not directly by you. this is my point, he takes a more moderate stance to a position that libs have been saying needs to be taken. so now why do you bash it? hasn't this been the argument - that abortion happens and good or bad, there are embryo's that can be studied? so even though we may not agree with the ethics on abortion, since it is happening and it will take a supreme court ruling to stop - shouldn't we take advantage of the resources available?



so i ask again, why is it when a guy takes a step your way, you still breed the negative tones toward him?

Nothing but a political stance and one that he didn't previously hold.

But now that polls show Americans approve of Stem Cell research, Frist does too.

[Rascal]

Funny democrats talking about a republican who *might* be influenced by polls.

Clinton didn't take a piss without having the poll numbers to say he could.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Rascal

Funny democrats talking about a republican who *might* be influenced by polls.

Clinton didn't take a piss without having the poll numbers to say he could.

What democrats are talking about him? I've been watching commentary all morning about this and everyone is talking about the "political" move he's making with changing his stance and distancing himself from Bush..

[Rascal]

You.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

so i ask again, why is it when a guy takes a step your way, you still breed the negative tones toward him?

Because it's pure, political slime and has nothing to do with what he has previously said is his true belief on the subject. It's the Bush formula: Position yourself wherever you need to be in order to get elected, and then once you're elected, dump the agenda that got you there and implement the Right wing agenda that you truly believe in. Doesn't anybody remember the "compassionate conservatism" that got Bush elected? Of course you don't. The second he entered the WH, that agenda got flushed. Run as a moderate, rule as a Right winger.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Rascal

You.

Not hardly.

[Rascal]

Then explain this statement:

"Of course, with 2/3s of Americans supporting it he realizes he has to support it if he wants to be president."

How is that not stating that he is influenced by polls.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Rascal

Then explain this statement:

"Of course, with 2/3s of Americans supporting it he realizes he has to support it if he wants to be president."

How is that not stating that he is influenced by polls.

What are you talking about? That's exactly my point! It's nothing but a political move.

[bronco_diesel]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Because it's pure, political slime and has nothing to do with what he has previously said is his true belief on the subject. It's the Bush formula: Position yourself wherever you need to be in order to get elected, and then once you're elected, dump the agenda that got you there and implement the Right wing agenda that you truly believe in. Doesn't anybody remember the "compassionate conservatism" that got Bush elected? Of course you don't. The second he entered the WH, that agenda got flushed. Run as a moderate, rule as a Right winger.

uhhh...bush took the side on a couple of issues that brought about a ton of critisizm. did you forget this? he was far from moderate on those issues.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

What are you talking about? That's exactly my point! It's nothing but a political move.

Good Lord.

I said "Funny democrats talking about a republican who *might* be influenced by polls."

And you said "who is talking"

And I responded "you"

comprehende espanol y engless (sp?)?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Rascal

Good Lord.

I said "Funny democrats talking about a republican who *might* be influenced by polls."

And you said "who is talking"

And I responded "you"

comprehende espanol y engless (sp?)?

English I understand, rascalese I don't. I said "What democrats are talking about him?" You then answered "you" to which I said "not hardly" and then you started with the rascalese.

On the same topic, help coming for those that have engaged in heavy drinking and other activities in their youth that may have contributed to losing a few brain cells here and there?
Swedish stem cell researchers create new brain cells

[Spider]

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

you crack me up. how long have you been moaning about this stuff? so a guy takes a more moderate stance on something - which is what you guys wish they'd do, and what do you do?

Ever hear of flip flopin son ? guy is all over the damn place , cant make a decision with out a damn poll .... He is pandering to the voters , Stay the course , say what you mean mean what you say ....... Or does these things only apply to certian People ?

[Rascal]

Whatever slug.

How do you not understand this conversation,

I said "Funny democrats talking about a republican who *might* be influenced by polls."
And you said "who is talking"
And I responded "you"
You, "Not hardly"
Me: "Then explain this statement: 'Of course, with 2/3s of Americans supporting it he realizes he has to support it if he wants to be president.' How is that not stating that he is influenced by polls."

Hell even a drunk mock can understand that simple dialogue.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Rascal

Good Lord.

I said "Funny democrats talking about a republican who *might* be influenced by polls."

And you said "who is talking"

And I responded "you"

comprehende espanol y engless (sp?)?

Flip Floppin .......Where have I heard that before ? .........

[Spider]

Flip floppin all over da place ........

[Spider]

Kerry = Flip Floppin is bad
Frist and the right do it = Flip Floppin is ok ...... Posters here flip floppin .....

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Flip Floppin .......Where have I heard that before ? .........

I'm not going to defend Frist so if you want to call him whatever I don't care. And hell yeah he is flip flopping. And if he runs for President I can guarantee you I will be voting democratic.

[bronco_diesel]

Originally Posted by Rascal

I'm not going to defend Frist so if you want to call him whatever I don't care. And hell yeah he is flip flopping. And if he runs for President I can guarantee you I will be voting democratic.

i agree he is flipin' - i just wanted clarification as to why the libs are not supporting his change that seems to favor what has been said in the past. that's all.

[Rascal]

How in the hell am I flip flopping?

I just said it was ironic a democrat slamming a republican about being influenced by polls.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

i agree he is flipin' - i just wanted clarification as to why the libs are not supporting his change that seems to favor what has been said in the past. that's all.

Real simple why , We dont need Frist Help , we couldnt count on him .....
We would enlist that crazy bastards help , and who knows when he would go Schiavo case on us .......Stem Cell is important , with alot of questions to be answered , and if Stem cell has a chance , it needs rock solid people ...... Frist isnt rock soild

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by bronco_diesel

i agree he is flipin' - i just wanted clarification as to why the libs are not supporting his change that seems to favor what has been said in the past. that's all.

I don't know why they wouldn't support it. As to actually believing him...that's something else. Hell if he said Texas was a state I would disagree with him.