What is it with Denver and this Pit Bull genocide thing?

[BIG DADDY]

I just wanted to hear from people who live there what the talk is around Denver about this BS. Are most people actually for it or is there going to be a backlash against the people who pushed this through? If the people in Denver were to actually vote on this do you think this recent legislation would actually stick?

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by BIG DADDY

I just wanted to hear from people who live there what the talk is around Denver about this BS. Are most people actually for it or is there going to be a backlash against the people who pushed this through? If the people in Denver were to actually vote on this do you think this recent legislation would actually stick?

I say blue juice the owners.....9 times out of ten the owner is some dimwit obsessed with having a tough dog and are really clueless as how to raise a dog which they shouldn't have in the first place.

[BIG DADDY]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

I say blue juice the owners.....9 times out of ten the owner is some dimwit obsessed with having a tough dog and are really clueless as how to raise a dog which they shouldn't have in the first place.

That's kind of a blanket statement don't you think? I have had the breed all my life and know many families that have them. Several of these families have younger children and none of them has ever bitten a human.

MOF dog bites and fatalities from them have not gone up in 30 years. The number has always been about 20 per year. The only thing that has changed has been the breed based upon popularity. Obviously were talking about some irresponsible owners, not a breed of dog. It's the media and politicians that have us believing it's dangerous out there. In reality you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed as you are to die from a dog.

Don't you think we should punish the deed instead of the breed?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by BIG DADDY

That's kind of a blanket statement don't you think? I have had the breed all my life and know many families that have them. Several of these families have younger children and none of them has ever bitten a human.

MOF dog bites and fatalities from them have not gone up in 30 years. The number has always been about 20 per year. The only thing that has changed has been the breed based upon popularity. Obviously were talking about some irresponsible owners, not a breed of dog. It's the media and politicians that have us believing it's dangerous out there. In reality you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed as you are to die from a dog.

Don't you think we should punish the deed instead of the breed?

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.

[BIG DADDY]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.

I just gave you the stats. The problem is they are calling all kinds of dogs pit bulls. No breed has ever had to endure stats based upon many breed. BTW they were bred to fight other dogs. 3 people handle the dogs while they are fighting in the pit. If any dog ever shows any human aggression it is killed and that is very, very, very rare. I have raised many of these dogs and have placed over 20 in homes with kids. None has ever bitten anybody.

Here is an interesting article for you, speaking of stats.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&sn=002&sc=598

[BIG DADDY]

I just gave you the stats. Here is an interesting read speaking of stats.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&sn=002&sc=598

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.

No, pit bulls were bred for one purpose, to bring down bulls and wild boar. Part of the bulldog family, along with Boxers, pit bulls are some of the friendliest dogs on the planet.

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

I have seen Golden retreivers bite and really injury people and i have seen pit bulls never even bark.

Its not the breed, its the ****ing owners and when you people quit trying to put it on the dog itself and start making people actually be ACCOUNTABLE for their actions - in this case raising a dog improperly - then maybe the statistics will go down.

[gunns]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.

If they are bred for one purpose and that is to kill, it's by the owner. I have several friends who have them and they are sweet dogs. My dachshunds are more scary than those dogs. It's the way they are raised and I think that's what Bronx33 was saying. If a dog attacks a human it's because of the way he was raised (unless of course that human is teasing that dog, then I say go get em fido). Go after the person that raised it and no more slaps on the hand.

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by BIG DADDY

I just gave you the stats. The problem is they are calling all kinds of dogs pit bulls. No breed has ever had to endure stats based upon many breed. BTW they were bred to fight other dogs. 3 people handle the dogs while they are fighting in the pit. If any dog ever shows any human aggression it is killed and that is very, very, very rare. I have raised many of these dogs and have placed over 20 in homes with kids. None has ever bitten anybody.

Here is an interesting article for you, speaking of stats.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&sn=002&sc=598

Thats inaccurate, at least why they were originally bred. Like the bulldog and Boxer, the bull terrier was used as a hunting dog to chase down fierce prey like wild boar and wild bulls in Germany and most of Europe.

[Hotrod]

I have a dog thats 1/2 pit. She would rather lick you to death then bite you. Actually you have to be careful with her. When she does something bad dont yell at her in the house she will pee everywhere. It breaks her heart if she thinks your mad at her. Heck I looked at her one night because "someone" knocked over a plant. Just looked at her.... she pee'd. Big lover still thinks shes a lap dog. Of course Im not sure what the other 1/2 is maybe that has something to do with it

[Saulbadguy]

This should be good.

[BIG DADDY]

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

No, pit bulls were bred for one purpose, to bring down bulls and wild boar. Part of the bulldog family, along with Boxers, pit bulls are some of the friendliest dogs on the planet.

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

I have seen Golden retreivers bite and really injury people and i have seen pit bulls never even bark.

Its not the breed, its the ****ing owners and when you people quit trying to put it on the dog itself and start making people actually be ACCOUNTABLE for their actions - in this case raising a dog improperly - then maybe the statistics will go down.

Thank You.

[Montaq]

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

Kujo was a bad dog and don't get me started on Ol' Yeller.

[DarkHorse]

The owners of vicious animals should be held accountable. Until that happens these scumbags are just going to move from breed to breed and train them to be vicious for whatever purpose.

So, how are we going to handle this? Wipe out every single breed down to the jack russell?

Ignorant society - and laws that are even more ludicrous than ever before. Animal genocide isn't the answer to fixing this problem - ACCOUNTABILITY IS YOU FRIGGIN DUMBASS LAWMAKERS. Hold the idiot who trains his dog for aggression responsible - don't murder the animal.

[BIG DADDY]

Originally Posted by DarkHorse

The owners of vicious animals should be held accountable. Until that happens these scumbags are just going to move from breed to breed and train them to be vicious for whatever purpose.

So, how are we going to handle this? Wipe out every single breed down to the jack russell?

Ignorant society - and laws that are even more ludicrous than ever before. Animal genocide isn't the answer to fixing this problem - ACCOUNTABILITY IS YOU FRIGGIN DUMBASS LAWMAKERS. Hold the idiot who trains his dog for aggression responsible - don't murder the animal.

Denver has slaughtered more than 400 tax paying citizens dogs. They will go right into their house and grab spot to the whaling of young children losing their dog and kill it. To me this is some of the most outrageous legislation I have seen passed. Rotties are next up in Denver from what I was reading. Considering all this I was just curious what the talk was on the streets of Denver.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by gunns

If they are bred for one purpose and that is to kill, it's by the owner. I have several friends who have them and they are sweet dogs. My dachshunds are more scary than those dogs. It's the way they are raised and I think that's what Bronx33 was saying. If a dog attacks a human it's because of the way he was raised (unless of course that human is teasing that dog, then I say go get em fido). Go after the person that raised it and no more slaps on the hand.

That's their original breeding.

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Are Pit Bulls that much more dangerous than attack dogs such as Rottweilers & German Shepherd, or is it a case of “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners?
BOTH SAYS THE RSPCA. Paul Edwards.
Pit Bulls were breed from Staffordshire Bull Terriers & Bull Mastiffs - Not to guard, or hunt, but to viciously rip other dogs to death in pits while their bloodthirsty owners cheered.
“They can literally sever limbs,” the RSPCAs, Paul Edwards said.
Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.
They are not large dogs, but they have an enormous power-to-weight ratio. Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.
(CONTINUED)

[Mile High Shack]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

That's their original breeding.

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Are Pit Bulls that much more dangerous than attack dogs such as Rottweilers & German Shepherd, or is it a case of “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners?
BOTH SAYS THE RSPCA. Paul Edwards.
Pit Bulls were breed from Staffordshire Bull Terriers & Bull Mastiffs - Not to guard, or hunt, but to viciously rip other dogs to death in pits while their bloodthirsty owners cheered.
“They can literally sever limbs,” the RSPCAs, Paul Edwards said.
Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.
They are not large dogs, but they have an enormous power-to-weight ratio. Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.
(CONTINUED)

I tend to agree with Beerslug

while I don't favor legislation to take dogs from owners........Pit Bulls are nasty dogs who's sole breeding it is to mame and kill.

Sure there are exceptions, but damn, give me a sweet lab any day

[Rascal]

I don't know Shawnee is one mean ass lab.

[BIG DADDY]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I tend to agree with Beerslug

while I don't favor legislation to take dogs from owners........Pit Bulls are nasty dogs who's sole breeding it is to mame and kill.

Sure there are exceptions, but damn, give me a sweet lab any day

HSUS released the top 3 biters in the bay area.

1. German Shepherds
2. Labradors
3. Pit Bulls

Labs like pits are a victim of their own popularity right now. Furthermore Labs haven't had to deal with the scrutiny of having several breeds be refered to as pit bulls including American Bulldogs, Staffs, APBT, and Staff Bull Terriors along with all the mixes.

[BIG DADDY]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

That's their original breeding.

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Are Pit Bulls that much more dangerous than attack dogs such as Rottweilers & German Shepherd, or is it a case of “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners?
BOTH SAYS THE RSPCA. Paul Edwards.
Pit Bulls were breed from Staffordshire Bull Terriers & Bull Mastiffs - Not to guard, or hunt, but to viciously rip other dogs to death in pits while their bloodthirsty owners cheered.
“They can literally sever limbs,” the RSPCAs, Paul Edwards said.
Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.
They are not large dogs, but they have an enormous power-to-weight ratio. Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.
(CONTINUED)

This is the worst article I have ever read. First of all their teeth don't scissor that is completely ridiculous and should be an indication of the intentions and knowlege of the person writing it. Secondly they are not a mix of a Staff and Bull Mastiff. How can that be when the staff was created from pits so that the dog show people could show them without getting all the grief. An APBT is a 30lb - 60lb dog which should show you immediatly that the history of the breeding coming form Mastiffs is beyond assinine. The person who wrote this should be shot.

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.

The stats are BS. What about mitigating factors? Pit bulls can be domesticated. But its bull**** macho types that want a bad ass guard dog. You want protection? Buy a gun. I owned a rottweiler and he was my best friend. Didn't harm a fly and didn't get upset unless he thought me or my mother were in danger. He never bit a single person out of aggression. Raise the dog right and it will be fine. Blue juice the owners is a much better approach. Their f***ed up world view precipitates the problem, not the breed of the dog. These people raise the dog to hate and to be aggressive, I'd be willing to bet these people are also allowed to have children. f***ing retards ruin the world. The penalties associated with dog fighting have to be stricter. No cap on punishment. If the judge or jury deems the dog guilty the owner should be held responsible to the tune of serious jail time. Beat the dog? Jail time...and none of this out in 6 months sht either.

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by BIG DADDY

That's kind of a blanket statement don't you think? I have had the breed all my life and know many families that have them. Several of these families have younger children and none of them has ever bitten a human.

MOF dog bites and fatalities from them have not gone up in 30 years. The number has always been about 20 per year. The only thing that has changed has been the breed based upon popularity. Obviously were talking about some irresponsible owners, not a breed of dog. It's the media and politicians that have us believing it's dangerous out there. In reality you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed as you are to die from a dog.

Don't you think we should punish the deed instead of the breed?

That's what i was saying punish the deed.............

[Bronx33]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

The stats are BS. What about mitigating factors? Pit bulls can be domesticated. But its bull**** macho types that want a bad ass guard dog. You want protection? Buy a gun. I owned a rottweiler and he was my best friend. Didn't harm a fly and didn't get upset unless he thought me or my mother were in danger. He never bit a single person out of aggression. Raise the dog right and it will be fine. Blue juice the owners is a much better approach. Their f***ed up world view precipitates the problem, not the breed of the dog. These people raise the dog to hate and to be aggressive, I'd be willing to bet these people are also allowed to have children. f***ing retards ruin the world. The penalties associated with dog fighting have to be stricter. No cap on punishment. If the judge or jury deems the dog guilty the owner should be held responsible to the tune of serious jail time. Beat the dog? Jail time...and none of this out in 6 months sht either.

Ya! what! he said! thanks hater.........

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by BIG DADDY

This is the worst article I have ever read. First of all their teeth don't scissor that is completely ridiculous and should be an indication of the intentions and knowlege of the person writing it. Secondly they are not a mix of a Staff and Bull Mastiff. How can that be when the staff was created from pits so that the dog show people could show them without getting all the grief. An APBT is a 30lb - 60lb dog which should show you immediatly that the history of the breeding coming form Mastiffs is beyond assinine. The person who wrote this should be shot.

Do a little research and you'll see "how that can be"

During the mid-1800s, immigration to the United States from Ireland and England brought an influx of these dogs to America, where they were bred to be larger and stockier, working as farm dogs in the West as much as fighting dogs in the cities. The resulting breed, the American Staffordshire Bull Terrier, also called the American Pit Bull Terrier, became known as an "all-American" dog

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

[Popps]

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

No, pit bulls were bred for one purpose, to bring down bulls and wild boar. Part of the bulldog family, along with Boxers, pit bulls are some of the friendliest dogs on the planet. There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. I have seen Golden retreivers bite and really injury people and i have seen pit bulls never even bark. Its not the breed, its the ****ing owners and when you people quit trying to put it on the dog itself and start making people actually be ACCOUNTABLE for their actions - in this case raising a dog improperly - then maybe the statistics will go down.

Actually, Alec... the preponderance of literature I've read on the breed (Pits) states that they were bred for fighting.. pit-fighting, to be exact. While Pit Bulls may have been used for bull baiting from time to time, their main function was game fighting, and not just fighting... but to the death fighting.

Boxers, on the other hand... were bred for bull baiting and were only used sparingly as fight dogs. Once bull baiting was outlawed, people quickly figured out that Boxers were excellent guard dogs and great for police work. Hence, the breed changed. Pit Bulls continued to be bred as fighters.

Now, before you jump on me... I am a HUGE fan of the breed. (Pits) I own a Boxer, as you know... and a few of her best play-pals are pits. She gets along great with them and there has never been the slightest problem. Pits are much like Boxers in that they're absolutely crazy about people, they love kids, they need a ton of human contact/affection.

I'm actually torn on the issue. I'm a firm believer that for (nearly) every bad dog, there was a bad human somewhere in its past. That said, our society has proven itself to be irresponsible with these matters. If you raise a Irish Setter improperly, it might snap at you. If you raise a Pit improperly, it might kill your neighbor. That's the facts. They have an INSTINCT to finish the job, and an almost super-natural strength/agility.
They're just not like other dogs.

Thankfully, most of a Pit's aggression is towards other dogs. But, with socialization, most can get along with other animals just fine.

It's a very tough question and like most things in life, not totally black and white. Beyond having some kind of a screening for those who choose to own the breed, I couldn't begin to think of a solution.