PreCamp Broncos Team Report- emphasis on LeSueur - The Orange Mane

SoCalBronco · 07-25-2005, 03:31 PM

By Scout.com
Date: Jul 25, 2005

Defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban (in photo) wants to prove the Browns wrong for letting him and his teammates go. Read about Ekuban and all the other latest news in this week's Broncos Update Insider as Denver prepares to open training camp on July 29.

Denver Broncos defensive back Jeremy LeSueur was a third-round pick last year, and his rookie year was a disaster.
He had a poor training camp and right before the season started he went on injured reserve for a hernia injury he needed surgery to fix. Then this offseason Denver drafted three cornerbacks with its first three picks.

LeSueur has been working at safety for most of the offseason, but could still play cornerback if needed. His size and ability to cover makes him a darkhorse candidate to be Denver's nickel cornerback.

LeSueur said the coaches told him to study the position in the offseason so he's ready to compete for the spot in training camp.

"It's intriguing," defensive coordinator Larry Coyer said.

LeSueur said his struggles in camp last year were because of injuries. He had the hernia injury, and he strained his hip flexor at the combine and then again at his pro day workout. He wasn't in great shape going into camp because his injuries kept him from working out like he wanted to.

SoCalBronco · 07-25-2005, 03:31 PM

LeSueur played safety and cornerback at the University of Michigan, and said he's willing to play whatever position Denver needs him at. He faces less competition at safety, considering the Broncos lost Kenoy Kennedy this offseason and didn't add any safeties in free agency or the draft.

LeSueur will have to perform well during training camp after his mediocre camp last year, but LeSueur said he feels confident going into camp because he's feeling healthy.

"I'm feeling really good right now," LeSueur said. "I haven't been this healthy since I've been here."

CAMP CALENDAR: Camp opens July 29 for rookies and veterans; the Broncos will hold joint practices with the Texans in Houston Aug. 10-11; camp closes on Aug. 18.

NOTES, QUOTES

--The Broncos don't plan on using many 3-4 defensive looks this season, although they looked into it this offseason.

"A little bit, not much," defensive coordinator Larry Coyer said.

"It will factor in. We got pieces and bits." --The Denver Broncos let safety Kenoy Kennedy sign with Detroit when Kennedy was an unrestricted free agent this offseason. When the bidding got too high, the Broncos were content to let Kennedy go and turn to Nick Ferguson to replace him.

"A lot of times you're looking at the salary cap on this kind of player and you're trying to decide where the money is best spent," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said. "Even though we would have liked to have Kenoy we have the utmost confidence in Nick Ferguson."

--New Broncos defensive tackle Gerard Warren said he's excited to be with a team that has a chance to got deep in the playoffs after some disappointing years in Cleveland.

"I was ecstatic once we got the deal finished because I was like 'I can play for a team that not only wants to win, but win the Super Bowl,'" Warren said. "In Cleveland we were always focused on winning this game or just trying to be good or making it respectable."

QUOTE TO NOTE: "I can definitely tell you that coming from Cleveland, those guys want to prove the Browns wrong for letting them go." -- DE Ebenezer Ekuban on he and his three former Browns teammates who were acquired by the Broncos this offseason.

SoCalBronco · 07-25-2005, 03:32 PM

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL

The Broncos will have plenty of defensive linemen coming to camp. They had 13 linemen with significant NFL experience coming to camp, and made it 14 when they traded cornerback Willie Middlebrooks to San Francisco for defensive end John Engelberger.

Even before the Broncos acquired Engelberger, defensive end Trevor Pryce was wondering which linemen would make the cut.

"I sitting there today trying to figure it out," Pryce said during team's July minicamp. "I was saying 'I think he's on board, I think I'm going to be on the team but I'm not sure, this dude is good.' I think it's the deepest we've ever been as far as talent."

UNIT-BY-UNIT ANALYSIS

QUARTERBACK: Starter -- Jake Plummer. Backups -- Danny Kanell, Matt Mauck, Bradlee Van Pelt.

RUNNING BACKS: Starters -- RB Tatum Bell, FB Kyle Johnson. Backups -- RB Mike Anderson, RB Quentin Griffin, RB Ron Dayne, RB Maurice Clarett, FB Cecil Sapp.

TIGHT ENDS: Starter -- Jeb Putzier. Backups -- Patrick Hape, Stephen Alexander, Nate Jackson, Mike Leach.

WIDE RECEIVERS: Starters -- Rod Smith, Ashley Lelie. Backups -- Darius Watts, Jerry Rice, Triandos Luke, Charlie Adams, B.J. Johnson.

OFFENSIVE LINE: Starters -- LT Matt Lepsis, LG Ben Hamilton, C Tom Nalen, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT George Foster. Backups -- T Anthony Clement, T Dwayne Carswell, T Cornell Green, C Josh Sewell, C/G Chris Myers, G Tim Stuber, G Cameron Spikes, G Tyson Clabo.

DEFENSIVE LINE: Starters -- SDE Courtney Brown, DT Gerard Warren, DT Mario Fatafehi, WDE Trevor Pryce. Backups -- DE Ebenezer Ekuban, DE Anton Palepoi, DT Monsanto Pope, DT Dorsett Davis, DT Luther Elliss, DE Marco Coleman, DE Chukie Nwokorie, DT Michael Myers, DE John Engelberger, DE Raylee Johnson.

LINEBACKERS: Starters -- WLB Ian Gold, MLB Al Wilson, SLB D.J. Williams. Backups: MLB Patrick Chukwurah, SLB/MLB Terry Pierce, OLB Jashon Sykes, MLB Keith Burns, OLB Louis Green, OLB Markus Steele.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: Starters -- CB Champ Bailey, CB Lenny Walls, SS Nick Ferguson, FS John Lynch. Backups -- CB Darrent Williams, CB Karl Paymah, CB Domonique Foxworth, CB Roc Alexander, CB Jeff Shoate, S Sam Brandon, S Chris Young, S Jeremy LeSueur, S/CB Brandon Browner.

SPECIAL TEAMS: K Jason Elam, P Todd Sauerbrun, KR/PR Darrent Williams, LS Mike Leach, LS Chris Myers, P/K Paul Ernster.

Florida_Bronco · 07-25-2005, 04:42 PM

Let's hope Jeremy is doing well learning safety. It'd be nice to have a playmaker back there, and I hope he can provide that.

Rascal · 07-25-2005, 08:19 PM

I love these little articles about players that will probably never play a down.

Oh...that was sarcasm

How about an article about the progression of Ferguson, Brown's health, Trevor's back, who is going to start at guard, SOMETHING!!

DBroncos4life · 07-25-2005, 08:53 PM

I really think LeSueur could be a ok saftey. He was a zone guy in college wasn't he? I still remember reading mags that thought he was better the Jackson in college, and they thought he would be a good saftey in the NFL. The one problem he could run into is Browner. That kid can ball. I don't count out LeSuer though. Just because his rookie year didn't go as planned doesn't mean all is lost.

wabbit · 07-25-2005, 09:10 PM

Larry Coyer was evasive about Lesueur at the end of last season as well.

My criticism of the guy was based on what I saw last year...if he really was injured..& I've had a hernia, so I know it can be..uh..limiting...then maybe he can make a run this year.

I certainly hope so, a third round draft choice is a terrible thing to waste..to coin a phrase

fontaine · 07-26-2005, 05:46 AM

I'm way more excited about Brandon Browner who somehow was undrafted because of his forty times. He was listed as one of the top CB prospects before he disapointed in his forty times but they guy was 221lb so it might have slowed him down.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8236006

Quote:

When Oregon State cornerback Brandon Browner walked into the interview room, he opened a lot of eyes. "He's a corner?" a writer asked. The question was prompted by his size. Browner measured out at 6-feet-3¾ and weighed 221 pounds. Browner then said he was the best corner in the draft. "The other guys don't have what I have," he said. They certainly don't have the size. But the key for Browner will be his 40 time. He said he has run under 4.5 in the past. If he does that, he's going to vault high into the first round. One thing that he will have to adjust in the NFL is his physical play. He mugged receivers in the Pac-10. Browner said that can be fixed with some technique work. We love this kid as a player. So will the team that gets him.

fontaine · 07-26-2005, 06:04 AM

wabbit, let us know what the coaches think of him?

I'd love for him to take the FS/SS job next year in the '06 season.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/407354
OVERVIEW
One of the finest defensive players to ever wear an Oregon State uniform, Brandon Browner has proven his ability as a shutdown cornerback. The Pac-10 Conference Freshman of the Year helped the program weather the 2002 departures of Dennis Weathersby, Calvin Carlyle, and Terrell Roberts. He is one of the most physically gifted athletes in the conference and can also perform as a wide receiver.

Browner redshirted in 2002 at Oregon State. He then went on to start in every game he played in for the Beavers. Browner was named to the Freshman All-American teams by the Football Writers Association and The Sporting News in 2003. He was chosen Pac-10 Conference Freshman of the Year and was a member of the All-Pac 10 second-team. He ranked ninth in the nation with six interceptions and recorded 43 tackles (37 solo) with six pass break-ups, two forced fumbles and three stops for losses as a redshirt freshman.

Paladin · 07-26-2005, 06:53 AM

In those articles, why do they say, "Lost Kennedy., or "Lost Haywood?" No one "lost" anything or any one. See? There they are. Right over there, playing ball. Denver didn't want to pay the littlle turds, so they did not make higher offers. They were not lost. They were sort of booted off the island. Neither Haywood nor Kenedy were "all-pro" at anything, but these beat writers or (writers who are beat) keep wanting to lose some one.

Whenever the writer says: Denver lost......", man, that article is a pile of crappy cut and paste junk that will never rival Jim Murray. What clowns they be, eh?

Rascal · 07-26-2005, 07:25 AM

What did browner run his 40 in anyway?

SoDak Bronco · 07-26-2005, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rascal

What did browner run his 40 in anyway?

Browner ran it in 4.54 i believe I read..

SpringStein · 07-26-2005, 07:46 AM

4.63 at Indy. Obviously why he wasn't drafted - as a CB just too slow. He did have a decent Wonderlik - 19.

But he's a player and I hope he becomes our next great safety.

fontaine · 07-26-2005, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpringStein

4.63 at Indy. Obviously why he wasn't drafted - as a CB just too slow. He did have a decent Wonderlik - 19.

But he's a player and I hope he becomes our next great safety.

Yeah. I think the knock on him at CB was that he's not great in his closing speed or in space but who knows.

Wasn't it Brodney Poole, or Thomas Davis that also ran a forty time around that range but still go drafted in the first round?

SpringStein · 07-26-2005, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontaine

Yeah. I think the knock on him at CB was that he's not great in his closing speed or in space but who knows.

Wasn't it Brodney Poole, or Thomas Davis that also ran a forty time around that range but still go drafted in the first round?

Here is a link for CB's at Indy if you would like: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...astN&order=ASC

Interesting that you bring up Thomas Davis, one of my favs in last year's draft. Compare him to Browner, their numbers are pretty similiar: Browner (1), Thomas (2)

Height..Weight..40..Vertical..Broad...Shuttle...Co ne
1. 6'4"....221....4.63..36 1/2...10'3"....4.24.....7.21
2. 6'1"....230....4.60..36 1/2...9'7"......4.01.....7.10

Poole apparently did not participate at Indy, so no time available from there.

Beantown Bronco · 07-26-2005, 08:36 AM

So Browner is known for being a Ty Law-like mugger that is a liability in coverage in open space......and we're trying to make him a safety with today's rules in effect.

Does anyone else see a problem with this?

fontaine · 07-26-2005, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpringStein

Here is a link for CB's at Indy if you would like: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...astN&order=ASC

Interesting that you bring up Thomas Davis, one of my favs in last year's draft. Compare him to Browner, their numbers are pretty similiar: Browner (1), Thomas (2)

Height..Weight..40..Vertical..Broad...Shuttle...Co ne
1. 6'4"....221....4.63..36 1/2...10'3"....4.24.....7.21
2. 6'1"....230....4.60..36 1/2...9'7"......4.01.....7.10

Poole apparently did not participate at Indy, so no time available from there.

Thanks for clearing that up and the link.

Yeah, that kind of baffled me too since they both posted very similar forty times and yet one goes undrafted and the other is one of the first safeties taken.

I think the Browner was very raw in his footwork which can be improved if worked upon, which should improve his coverage skills in space. I'm excited about the kid because he reminds me a lot of Walls because of his height and that he went undrafted.

TotallyScrewed · 07-26-2005, 08:55 AM

Browner as a safety is in a different role than Browner the corner. He won't be required to routinely, if ever, to run stride for stride with a reciever off the LOS.

SpringStein · 07-26-2005, 09:01 AM

duh...I'm a bit slow this morning. Of course Pool is listed with the safeties. Although he didn't participate in the Indy workouts, so no numbers from that site.

I agree that Browner the S has a much better chance of being successful than Browner the CB would.

DBroncos4life · 07-26-2005, 09:37 AM

Browner still put on 20 pounds before the combine. WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! I just don't get that.

bendog · 07-26-2005, 09:58 AM

corner worries me, but NE won without corners,

But they are allowed to hit Payaton's wr's, I believe.

watermock · 07-26-2005, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

So Browner is known for being a Ty Law-like mugger that is a liability in coverage in open space......and we're trying to make him a safety with today's rules in effect.

Does anyone else see a problem with this?

Being compared to Ty Law is bad? Or better, a healthy Ty Law? How is a cover safety a mugger? Does Ty Law play safety? It remains to be seen if he will stick, but a tough cover Safety is exactly what this team needs. I'm really not sure why he wasn't projected to Safety and drafted if he doesn't have injury problems. A 4.6 40 is fine for safety, especially if he's 225 and has cover skills. I can't figure out why he wasn't drafted.

philiptr2 · 07-26-2005, 11:38 AM

Dont count out Chris Young at the Safety spot. He hasnt played much for the Broncos in the time that he has been here, but Coyer and the coaching staff like him. Last year they kept 5 safeties on the active roster the whole season (Lynch, Kennedy, Fergeson, Brandon, and Young). They obviously see something in him. Young is a lot like Kennedy. He is a very physical player who flies around and makes plays. Although drafted as a Safety, which is his natural position, Young also shows versitility, having played corner his senior year at Georgia Tech.

07-25-2005, 03:31 PM	#1
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,311 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	PreCamp Broncos Team Report- emphasis on LeSueur By Scout.com Date: Jul 25, 2005 Defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban (in photo) wants to prove the Browns wrong for letting him and his teammates go. Read about Ekuban and all the other latest news in this week's Broncos Update Insider as Denver prepares to open training camp on July 29. Denver Broncos defensive back Jeremy LeSueur was a third-round pick last year, and his rookie year was a disaster. He had a poor training camp and right before the season started he went on injured reserve for a hernia injury he needed surgery to fix. Then this offseason Denver drafted three cornerbacks with its first three picks. LeSueur has been working at safety for most of the offseason, but could still play cornerback if needed. His size and ability to cover makes him a darkhorse candidate to be Denver's nickel cornerback. LeSueur said the coaches told him to study the position in the offseason so he's ready to compete for the spot in training camp. "It's intriguing," defensive coordinator Larry Coyer said. LeSueur said his struggles in camp last year were because of injuries. He had the hernia injury, and he strained his hip flexor at the combine and then again at his pro day workout. He wasn't in great shape going into camp because his injuries kept him from working out like he wanted to. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

07-25-2005, 03:31 PM	#2
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,311 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	LeSueur played safety and cornerback at the University of Michigan, and said he's willing to play whatever position Denver needs him at. He faces less competition at safety, considering the Broncos lost Kenoy Kennedy this offseason and didn't add any safeties in free agency or the draft. LeSueur will have to perform well during training camp after his mediocre camp last year, but LeSueur said he feels confident going into camp because he's feeling healthy. "I'm feeling really good right now," LeSueur said. "I haven't been this healthy since I've been here." CAMP CALENDAR: Camp opens July 29 for rookies and veterans; the Broncos will hold joint practices with the Texans in Houston Aug. 10-11; camp closes on Aug. 18. NOTES, QUOTES --The Broncos don't plan on using many 3-4 defensive looks this season, although they looked into it this offseason. "A little bit, not much," defensive coordinator Larry Coyer said. "It will factor in. We got pieces and bits." --The Denver Broncos let safety Kenoy Kennedy sign with Detroit when Kennedy was an unrestricted free agent this offseason. When the bidding got too high, the Broncos were content to let Kennedy go and turn to Nick Ferguson to replace him. "A lot of times you're looking at the salary cap on this kind of player and you're trying to decide where the money is best spent," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said. "Even though we would have liked to have Kenoy we have the utmost confidence in Nick Ferguson." --New Broncos defensive tackle Gerard Warren said he's excited to be with a team that has a chance to got deep in the playoffs after some disappointing years in Cleveland. "I was ecstatic once we got the deal finished because I was like 'I can play for a team that not only wants to win, but win the Super Bowl,'" Warren said. "In Cleveland we were always focused on winning this game or just trying to be good or making it respectable." QUOTE TO NOTE: "I can definitely tell you that coming from Cleveland, those guys want to prove the Browns wrong for letting them go." -- DE Ebenezer Ekuban on he and his three former Browns teammates who were acquired by the Broncos this offseason. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

07-25-2005, 03:32 PM	#3
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,311 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL The Broncos will have plenty of defensive linemen coming to camp. They had 13 linemen with significant NFL experience coming to camp, and made it 14 when they traded cornerback Willie Middlebrooks to San Francisco for defensive end John Engelberger. Even before the Broncos acquired Engelberger, defensive end Trevor Pryce was wondering which linemen would make the cut. "I sitting there today trying to figure it out," Pryce said during team's July minicamp. "I was saying 'I think he's on board, I think I'm going to be on the team but I'm not sure, this dude is good.' I think it's the deepest we've ever been as far as talent." UNIT-BY-UNIT ANALYSIS QUARTERBACK: Starter -- Jake Plummer. Backups -- Danny Kanell, Matt Mauck, Bradlee Van Pelt. RUNNING BACKS: Starters -- RB Tatum Bell, FB Kyle Johnson. Backups -- RB Mike Anderson, RB Quentin Griffin, RB Ron Dayne, RB Maurice Clarett, FB Cecil Sapp. TIGHT ENDS: Starter -- Jeb Putzier. Backups -- Patrick Hape, Stephen Alexander, Nate Jackson, Mike Leach. WIDE RECEIVERS: Starters -- Rod Smith, Ashley Lelie. Backups -- Darius Watts, Jerry Rice, Triandos Luke, Charlie Adams, B.J. Johnson. OFFENSIVE LINE: Starters -- LT Matt Lepsis, LG Ben Hamilton, C Tom Nalen, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT George Foster. Backups -- T Anthony Clement, T Dwayne Carswell, T Cornell Green, C Josh Sewell, C/G Chris Myers, G Tim Stuber, G Cameron Spikes, G Tyson Clabo. DEFENSIVE LINE: Starters -- SDE Courtney Brown, DT Gerard Warren, DT Mario Fatafehi, WDE Trevor Pryce. Backups -- DE Ebenezer Ekuban, DE Anton Palepoi, DT Monsanto Pope, DT Dorsett Davis, DT Luther Elliss, DE Marco Coleman, DE Chukie Nwokorie, DT Michael Myers, DE John Engelberger, DE Raylee Johnson. LINEBACKERS: Starters -- WLB Ian Gold, MLB Al Wilson, SLB D.J. Williams. Backups: MLB Patrick Chukwurah, SLB/MLB Terry Pierce, OLB Jashon Sykes, MLB Keith Burns, OLB Louis Green, OLB Markus Steele. DEFENSIVE BACKS: Starters -- CB Champ Bailey, CB Lenny Walls, SS Nick Ferguson, FS John Lynch. Backups -- CB Darrent Williams, CB Karl Paymah, CB Domonique Foxworth, CB Roc Alexander, CB Jeff Shoate, S Sam Brandon, S Chris Young, S Jeremy LeSueur, S/CB Brandon Browner. SPECIAL TEAMS: K Jason Elam, P Todd Sauerbrun, KR/PR Darrent Williams, LS Mike Leach, LS Chris Myers, P/K Paul Ernster. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,429	wabbit, let us know what the coaches think of him? I'd love for him to take the FS/SS job next year in the '06 season. http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/407354 OVERVIEW One of the finest defensive players to ever wear an Oregon State uniform, Brandon Browner has proven his ability as a shutdown cornerback. The Pac-10 Conference Freshman of the Year helped the program weather the 2002 departures of Dennis Weathersby, Calvin Carlyle, and Terrell Roberts. He is one of the most physically gifted athletes in the conference and can also perform as a wide receiver. Browner redshirted in 2002 at Oregon State. He then went on to start in every game he played in for the Beavers. Browner was named to the Freshman All-American teams by the Football Writers Association and The Sporting News in 2003. He was chosen Pac-10 Conference Freshman of the Year and was a member of the All-Pac 10 second-team. He ranked ninth in the nation with six interceptions and recorded 43 tackles (37 solo) with six pass break-ups, two forced fumbles and three stops for losses as a redshirt freshman.

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Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	What did browner run his 40 in anyway?

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SpringStein Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Monument, CO Posts: 2,733	4.63 at Indy. Obviously why he wasn't drafted - as a CB just too slow. He did have a decent Wonderlik - 19. But he's a player and I hope he becomes our next great safety.

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TotallyScrewed Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,597	Browner as a safety is in a different role than Browner the corner. He won't be required to routinely, if ever, to run stride for stride with a reciever off the LOS.

07-26-2005, 09:01 AM	#19
SpringStein Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Monument, CO Posts: 2,733	duh...I'm a bit slow this morning. Of course Pool is listed with the safeties. Although he didn't participate in the Indy workouts, so no numbers from that site. I agree that Browner the S has a much better chance of being successful than Browner the CB would.

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DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,580	Browner still put on 20 pounds before the combine. WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! I just don't get that.

07-26-2005, 09:58 AM	#21
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	corner worries me, but NE won without corners, But they are allowed to hit Payaton's wr's, I believe.

07-26-2005, 11:38 AM	#23
philiptr2 Gunslinger DRAW!! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 297 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Williams	Dont count out Chris Young at the Safety spot. He hasnt played much for the Broncos in the time that he has been here, but Coyer and the coaching staff like him. Last year they kept 5 safeties on the active roster the whole season (Lynch, Kennedy, Fergeson, Brandon, and Young). They obviously see something in him. Young is a lot like Kennedy. He is a very physical player who flies around and makes plays. Although drafted as a Safety, which is his natural position, Young also shows versitility, having played corner his senior year at Georgia Tech.