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Paul Harvey Comments

June 23, 2005

.Sunni Muslims, who dominated Iraq for decades after Saddam Hussein, are
convinced they can outlast us.

I've been choking on something for weeks. Let's get it up and get it
out, for what its worth.

After the attack on Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill said the American
people -- he said, this is a direct quote - "We didn't come this far
because we are made of sugar candy."

That was his response to the attack on Pearl Harbor. And that reminder
was taken seriously. And we proceeded to develop and deliver THE BOMB,
even though roughly 150,000 men, women, and children perished in
Hirohima and Nagasaki. With a single blow, World War Two was over.

Following New York's September 11th Pearl Harbor, Winston Churchill was
not here to remind us that we didn't come this far because we're made of
sugar candy.

So, following the New York disaster, we mustered our humanity. We gave
old pals a pass, even though men and money from Saudi Arabia were
largely responsible for the devastation of New York and Pennsylvania and
our Pentagon.

We called Saudi Arabians our partners against terrorism. And we sent
men with rifles into Afghanistan and Iraq. And, we kept our best weapons
in our silos.

Even now, we're standing there dying, daring to do nothing decisive
because we've declared ourselves to be better than our terrorist enemies
-- more moral, more civilized.

Our image is at stake, we insist.

But, we didn't come this far because we're made of sugar candy.

Once upon a time, we elbowed our way onto and into this continent by
giving smallpox-infected blankets to Native Americans.

Yes, that was biological warfare. And, we used every other weapon we
could get our hands on to grab this land from whomever.

And, we grew prosperous. And, yes, we greased the skids with the sweat
of slaves.

And so it goes with most great nation-states, which -- feeling guilty
about their savage pasts -- eventually civilize themselves out of
business. And wind up invaded and ultimately dominated by the lean,
hungry, Up-and-Coming who are not made of sugar candy.

Good Day!

[Montaq]

I thought that old geezer died a long time ago. I guess not.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Montaq

I thought that old geezer died a long time ago. I guess not.

Dude is senile no question , but does he have an over all point ? ........ Not about using Nukes so much as in not using all the tools that we have ?
have we gotten soft ? I dont think so , I was happy as a Pig in Shít when we busted up Afghanistan , I went bitter over Iraq ..... I think alot of the People on the Left was happy when we kicked in the door to afghanistan .........
The Majority of us are in Favor of a war with those that pick one with us .....

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Dude is senile no question , but does he have an over all point ? ........ Not about using Nukes so much as in not using all the tools that we have ?
have we gotten soft ? I dont think so , I was happy as a Pig in Shít when we busted up Afghanistan , I went bitter over Iraq ..... I think alot of the People on the Left was happy when we kicked in the door to afghanistan .........
The Majority of us are in Favor of a war with those that pick one with us .....

The biggest problem I see is that our policies are hamstrung by our government's subservience to economic interests. Huge corps. buy politicians. Politicians make policy decisions. The Saudis are our enemies and have funded every Al Queda attack. Our politicians call them "our friends." Afghanistan was the target, but there's no money to be made in Afghanistan. There's oil in Iraq. The Chinese are our sworn enemies (remember Tienamen Square?), but market decisions make them our friends, even to the demolition of our own industries. Illegal immigration is beginning to bankrupt many states, but it drives down wages across the board and creates wealth at the top, so no matter what the American people want, no politician will vote to stop it. The majority of Americans want a better environment. Energy conglomerates don't. The majority of Americans want better health care and cheaper drugs. The pharmaceutical giants don't. Americans want clean water and clean air. Polluters don't want to pay the cost to clean up their processes, and buying politicians is cheaper. The world is suffering under an energy crunch. The oil and energy companies are posting the highest profits in their histories.

We are no longer being represented by our representatives. No wonder the American people are so often seen scratching their heads about the crap going on in the world. Did you ever think that the guys who wrap themselves in the flag the most are the ones who need to the most? Did you ever think that the ones who speak the most about "values", don't actually share yours? Oh well, like W.C. said, "Nobody ever made any friends by wising up a chump."

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The biggest problem I see is that our policies are hamstrung by our government's subservience to economic interests. Huge corps. buy politicians. Politicians make policy decisions. The Saudis are our enemies and have funded every Al Queda attack. Our politicians call them "our friends." Afghanistan was the target, but there's no money to be made in Afghanistan. There's oil in Iraq. The Chinese are our sworn enemies (remember Tienamen Square?), but market decisions make them our friends, even to the demolition of our own industries. Illegal immigration is beginning to bankrupt many states, but it drives down wages across the board and creates wealth at the top, so no matter what the American people want, no politician will vote to stop it. The majority of Americans want a better environment. Energy conglomerates don't. The majority of Americans want better health care and cheaper drugs. The pharmaceutical giants don't. Americans want clean water and clean air. Polluters don't want to pay the cost to clean up their processes, and buying politicians is cheaper. The world is suffering under an energy crunch. The oil and energy companies are posting the highest profits in their histories.

We are no longer being represented by our representatives. No wonder the American people are so often seen scratching their heads about the crap going on in the world. Did you ever think that the guys who wrap themselves in the flag the most are the ones who need to the most? Did you ever think that the ones who speak the most about "values", don't actually share yours? Oh well, like W.C. said, "Nobody ever made any friends by wising up a chump."

Yep !!!!!!! Problem with both sides ..... Thats why I support McCain Finegold ....

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The biggest problem I see is that our policies are hamstrung by our government's subservience to economic interests. Huge corps. buy politicians. Politicians make policy decisions. The Saudis are our enemies and have funded every Al Queda attack. Our politicians call them "our friends." Afghanistan was the target, but there's no money to be made in Afghanistan. There's oil in Iraq. The Chinese are our sworn enemies (remember Tienamen Square?), but market decisions make them our friends, even to the demolition of our own industries. Illegal immigration is beginning to bankrupt many states, but it drives down wages across the board and creates wealth at the top, so no matter what the American people want, no politician will vote to stop it. The majority of Americans want a better environment. Energy conglomerates don't. The majority of Americans want better health care and cheaper drugs. The pharmaceutical giants don't. Americans want clean water and clean air. Polluters don't want to pay the cost to clean up their processes, and buying politicians is cheaper. The world is suffering under an energy crunch. The oil and energy companies are posting the highest profits in their histories.

We are no longer being represented by our representatives. No wonder the American people are so often seen scratching their heads about the crap going on in the world. Did you ever think that the guys who wrap themselves in the flag the most are the ones who need to the most? Did you ever think that the ones who speak the most about "values", don't actually share yours? Oh well, like W.C. said, "Nobody ever made any friends by wising up a chump."

I agree with much of what you said, but remember that the money issue cuts both ways. Don't forget how the politicians extort money from the "corporations".

[Hogan11]

I..............................Love how ........................Paul Harvey..................does his...................commentaries.............one can't.......................................
help..............but............to .............fall asleep............before he..................ever...............finishes two................whole...........sentances.


ZZZZzzzzzzzzzz.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The biggest problem I see is that our policies are hamstrung by our government's subservience to economic interests. Huge corps. buy politicians. Politicians make policy decisions. The Saudis are our enemies and have funded every Al Queda attack. Our politicians call them "our friends." Afghanistan was the target, but there's no money to be made in Afghanistan. There's oil in Iraq. The Chinese are our sworn enemies (remember Tienamen Square?), but market decisions make them our friends, even to the demolition of our own industries. Illegal immigration is beginning to bankrupt many states, but it drives down wages across the board and creates wealth at the top, so no matter what the American people want, no politician will vote to stop it. The majority of Americans want a better environment. Energy conglomerates don't. The majority of Americans want better health care and cheaper drugs. The pharmaceutical giants don't. Americans want clean water and clean air. Polluters don't want to pay the cost to clean up their processes, and buying politicians is cheaper. The world is suffering under an energy crunch. The oil and energy companies are posting the highest profits in their histories.

We are no longer being represented by our representatives. No wonder the American people are so often seen scratching their heads about the crap going on in the world. Did you ever think that the guys who wrap themselves in the flag the most are the ones who need to the most? Did you ever think that the ones who speak the most about "values", don't actually share yours? Oh well, like W.C. said, "Nobody ever made any friends by wising up a chump."

Thwack!

Ro knocks another one out of the park.

How the bush lemmings can just close their eyes to all these realities in their support for this awful misadministration is beyond me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So, following the New York disaster, we mustered our humanity. We gave old pals a pass, even though men and money from Saudi Arabia were
largely responsible for the devastation of New York and Pennsylvania and
our Pentagon.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Thwack!

Ro knocks another one out of the park.

How the bush lemmings can just close their eyes to all these realities in their support for this awful misadministration is beyond me.

AFAIC, the Right side of the aisle isn't the only side that's been bought out. The whole damn U.S. government is for sale to the highest bidder, and has been for decades. Simple math in this country: The guy with the most bucks gets the most "representation," regardless of who's sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom at the moment.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The biggest problem I see is that our policies are hamstrung by our government's subservience to economic interests. Huge corps. buy politicians.

Actually, it's Big Labor that spends the most "buying" politicians.

http://www.opensecrets.org

"When grouped into three basic subdivisions – business, labor and ideological groups – the biggest donors to federal campaigns show marked differences in how they spread their campaign dollars to the two political parties. The most consistent bloc over the years – indeed this pattern stretches back many decades – is that of labor unions giving to Democrats. Only four unions out of the 27 that fell within the top 100 donors gave less than 85 percent of their money to Democrats, and only one – the American Maritime Officers – gave the majority of their dollars to Republicans.

The five ideological groups were also consistent, at least when taken individually. The only one of them showing significant drift over the years has been the National Rifle Association, which gradually increased its proportion to Republicans from 64 percent in 1990 to 92 percent in 2000 and 2002.

The most interesting, and significant, example of partisan shifting, however, can be seen among the 68 business organizations on the top 100 list. While Democrats carried home a slight majority of business contributions in the first three election cycles of this study, their fortunes dropped abruptly after the 1994 elections, when they lost control of both the House and Senate. In contrast to labor and ideological groups, business donors tend to be consummate pragmatists whose foremost interest is in maintaining good relations with whichever party is in control. When power shifted on Capitol Hill, so did the money, and a strong majority of business dollars have gone to Republicans ever since."

[Rohirrim]

What the article says is that Labor has been a "consistent bloc" for the Dems over the decades, not given the most money of all blocs. Given the economic position of labor these days, I doubt that their contribution is spit in a bucket compared to what the pharmaceuticals (Bush's biggest donors) gave the GOP in the last election. I'm betting the donations from energy consortiums, to both parties, would also dwarf labor.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

What the article says is that Labor has been a "consistent bloc" for the Dems over the decades, not given the most money of all blocs. Given the economic position of labor these days, I doubt that their contribution is spit in a bucket compared to what the pharmaceuticals (Bush's biggest donors) gave the GOP in the last election. I'm betting the donations from energy consortiums, to both parties, would also dwarf labor.

Wrong. Between 1989 and the current cycle, the top 10 biggest donors have been:

1 $36,042,381 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees
2 $26,509,468 National Assn of Realtors
3 $24,867,823 National Education Assn
4 $24,560,666 Assn of Trial Lawyers of America
5 $23,106,725 Service Employees International Union
6 $23,102,794 Communications Workers of America
7 $22,959,680 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
8 $22,338,557 Laborers Union
9 $22,234,447 Carpenters & Joiners Union
10 $22,099,080 American Medical Assn

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Wrong. Between 1989 and the current cycle, the top 10 biggest donors have been:

1 $36,042,381 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees
2 $26,509,468 National Assn of Realtors
3 $24,867,823 National Education Assn
4 $24,560,666 Assn of Trial Lawyers of America
5 $23,106,725 Service Employees International Union
6 $23,102,794 Communications Workers of America
7 $22,959,680 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
8 $22,338,557 Laborers Union
9 $22,234,447 Carpenters & Joiners Union
10 $22,099,080 American Medical Assn

If that's true then they might want to rethink their strategy. They're getting screwed! rofl

[Spider]

1


Goldman Sachs


$6,551,856


61% Dems


38% Reps


Leans Democratic

2


National Assn of Realtors


$3,852,527


48%c Dems


52% Reps


On the fence

3


Microsoft Corp


$3,532,505


62% Dems


37% Reps


Leans Democratic

4


Morgan Stanley


$3,397,140


41% Dems


59% Reps


Leans Republican

5


Time Warner


$3,326,217


81% Dems


19% Reps


Strongly Democratic

6


EMILY's List


$3,295,220


100% Dems


0% Reps


Solidly Democratic

7


JP Morgan Chase & Co


$3,124,304


53% Dems


47% Reps


On the fence

8


Citigroup Inc


$2,871,362


51% Dems


49% Reps


On the fence

9


Laborers Union


$2,748,355


87% Dems


14% Reps


Strongly Democratic

10


Bank of America


$2,715,325


47% Dems


53% Reps


On the fence

11


National Auto Dealers Assn


$2,613,050


27% Dems


73% Reps


Strongly Republican

12


UBS Americas


$2,465,414


39% Dems


59% Reps


Leans Republican

[Spider]

Just to put things in Prespective http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/...asp?cycle=2004
I realy dont think we are as Divided as we was led to believe ........ If we took Iraq off the table , we would be alot closer to alot of Issues , but since we cant take off Iraq , everyones Judgement will be clouded no matter if you are for or against .......

[Spider]

here is a shocker ......
27


Teamsters Union


$2,108,113


89%


10%


Strongly Democratic

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

here is a shocker ......
27


Teamsters Union


$2,108,113


89%


10%


Strongly Democratic

I did think it was funny when they suddenly switched all of their contributions to the republuicans when RFK was running for pres.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

I did think it was funny when they suddenly switched all of their contributions to the republuicans when RFK was running for pres.

Impressive .. the blood fued .....

[Spider]

Was you a teamster Big guy ?

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Was you a teamster Big guy ?

Is there a single environmental organization or company that employs a sizeable union workforce?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Is there a single environmental organization or company that employs a sizeable union workforce?

I dont understand your question Bro

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I dont understand your question Bro

It's long been my contention that environmental groups interests clash directly with union employment jobs. Pipefitting, construction, roughnecking, timber, etc. Jobs that are directly involved with resource extraction or rely heavily on it. I've often wondered why unions don't recognize this conflict with their own interests, but I figured I've missed something, so I thought I would ask if there is any real benefit, other than warm fuzzy that doesn't feed the kids, to supporting candidates that more often represent environmental interests rather than union interests...outside of minimum wage, but I don't know that union workers worry about min. wage that much.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

It's long been my contention that environmental groups interests clash directly with union employment jobs. Pipefitting, construction, roughnecking, timber, etc. Jobs that are directly involved with resource extraction or rely heavily on it. I've often wondered why unions don't recognize this conflict with their own interests, but I figured I've missed something, so I thought I would ask if there is any real benefit, other than warm fuzzy that doesn't feed the kids, to supporting candidates that more often represent environmental interests rather than union interests...outside of minimum wage, but I don't know that union workers worry about min. wage that much.

Ok I think I follow you . As a 1 time Union guy , I didnt like environmental groups , But I was strong on Workers rights , such as Safty , Benefits , Job Security etc .......
Unions have been painted in a bad light ,90% of us when I was there could 2 ****s less about a spotted Owl , or a some dumb ass tree , but since environmental groups are on the left . we are lumped ......

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Ok I think I follow you . As a 1 time Union guy , I didnt like environmental groups , But I was strong on Workers rights , such as Safty , Benefits , Job Security etc .......
Unions have been painted in a bad light ,90% of us when I was there could 2 ****s less about a spotted Owl , or a some dumb ass tree , but since environmental groups are on the left . we are lumped ......

That's what I figured. Now with the left being driven more by environmental causes rather than workers' rights, benefits, safety, etc...aren't they putting union guys out of business?