FYI/If you care.. Oakland signs Ed Jasper - The Orange Mane

Raider Bill · 06-27-2005, 09:10 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...er.raiders.ap/

Again, I am only posting this for those who are interested in whats happening with divisional rivals... if you dont care dont friggin click on it.

SoCalBronco · 06-27-2005, 09:14 PM

Isnt he primarily a 3-4 guy though?

Thats right you guys are gonna do both. He is pretty old but not bad.

How are the rookies looking (esp Hawthorne) ?

Raider Bill · 06-27-2005, 09:25 PM

I'm starting to think Washington gets waived now.

Atlanta used a 4-3 last season I think....

It's all sunshine and roses coming out of Oakland, but who the hell knows SoCal? They need to put pads on and bang heads and see how it shakes out. There are enough guys now to at least have competition at many positions.

From what I can gather we're running more of a Baltimore/New England type 3-4 with big outside backers setting the edge against the run almost like a 5-2.

3-4 Sam LB looks like it will be Ty Brayton playing that Suggs role
Will LB looks like it will be Sam Williams playing the Boulware role.

(Note I am making positional comparisons only, not comparing talent level)

Not the Pittsburgh type where you're disquising who the 4th rusher will be.

Burgess is only going to play 4-3, nickel, and dime RDE. I guess they're afraid he's going to break.

Jason in LA · 06-27-2005, 09:27 PM

How many DTs are they going to sign? This guy is old and was thinking about retiring. It's a decent signing, because there isn't much there at this point. But I wouldn't call this guy an impact player.

Raider Bill · 06-27-2005, 09:35 PM

If it's financially feasible to release him, this guy may supplant Ted Washington.

Heck, this guy may not stick, he only got 25 grand for a signing bonus.

Stepper wants his Aggie though

SoCalBronco · 06-27-2005, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbil

I'm starting to think Washington gets waived now.

Atlanta used a 4-3 last season I think....

It's all sunshine and roses coming out of Oakland, but who the hell knows SoCal? They need to put pads on and bang heads and see how it shakes out. There are enough guys now to at least have competition at many positions.

From what I can gather we're running more of a Baltimore/New England type 3-4 with big outside backers setting the edge against the run almost like a 5-2.

3-4 Sam LB looks like it will be Ty Brayton playing that Suggs role
Will LB looks like it will be Sam Williams playing the Boulware role.

(Note I am making positional comparisons only, not comparing talent level)

Not the Pittsburgh type where you're disquising who the 4th rusher will be.

Burgess is only going to play 4-3, nickel, and dime RDE. I guess they're afraid he's going to break.

Sam Williams is an interesting player. He had alot of upside coming out of Fresno State as a LB. I remember reading a couple years ago, Al brought him in for a personal workout as a DE and absolutely loved him. Told him right then and there he would draft him. I really think if Brayton is going to be used as a 3-4 OLB again, he is again going to struggle and will not look like his 2002 form anytime soon. He is a 4-3 left end. Period.

I really think Oakland should be a pure 4-3 team and they should keep Washington. He can take up space and keep attention away from Hawthorne (who should lead the division in TFL). I think Sapp is the one, if financially feasible, who should be released.

Raider Bill · 06-27-2005, 09:41 PM

Well, as a poster smarter than I, on another board I go to, pointed out, Brayton only looked like crap after we ran out of weakside Linebackers and stuck him over there.

If all he has to do is set the edge against the run, cover the short flat, or get after the QB if he's uncovered, it's no different than what slow assed Willie McGinnest does in New England. It's not much different than playing 4-3 RDE in a zone blitzing scheme like Philly.

SoCalBronco · 06-27-2005, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbil

Well, as a poster smarter than I, on another board I go to, pointed out, Brayton only looked like crap after we ran out of weakside Linebackers and stuck him over there.

If all he has to do is set the edge against the run, cover the short flat, or get after the QB if he's uncovered, it's no different than what slow assed Willie McGinnest does in New England. It's not much different than playing 4-3 RDE in a zone blitzing scheme like Philly.

Another problem is now this is his third position in as many years. I just think you can get optimum production from him as a 4-3 weakside DE. Not dropping him into coverage etc. He does have the requisite weight in the 260s for a 34 OLB but i still think he is better at end.

Sodak · 06-27-2005, 10:11 PM

Wow. I'm enjoying this thread. Football talk amongst rivals, and no smack.

Bravo!

ludo21 · 06-27-2005, 10:15 PM

Jasper was a decent pick up, but he is also old and will probably not give the raiders much help at all, their d-line still looks weak, if their lucky burgess will play a bigger role than they first assumed.

SoCalBronco · 06-27-2005, 10:19 PM

I think Raider fans will be pleasantly surprised to see immediate contributions from their rookie class on defense. Hawthorne will start and have a good rookie season. I think Morrison will find his way into the lineup at some point in the year as well. Im not sold on either of those corners though. I really feel that in the second round they missed the boat by going for Stanford Routt over a guy like Kevin Burnett, who could provide a much needed infusion of speed and skill at the LB position or one of the remaining DL. Nonetheless, i am grateful that they got Routt if for no other reason that it prevented Shanny from getting him, which was a strong possibility considering his comments after the draft re: Routt and some of the things leaking out a few days before regarding Denver's strong interest.

Raider Bill · 06-27-2005, 10:35 PM

Who knows, NE made a bunch of stiff white guys into a solid LB corps.

Raider Bill · 06-27-2005, 10:37 PM

They can probably afford to take the Sheldon Brown, Lito Shepard approach with the corners. Neither HAS to play right away and Routt is probably a 3 year project if he pans out at all.

Dudeskey · 06-28-2005, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njbil

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...er.raiders.ap/

Again, I am only posting this for those who are interested in whats happening with divisional rivals... if you dont care dont friggin click on it.

Well there's the saying "Know thy enemies", so with that in mind thanks for the info...™

MT-Tdawg · 06-28-2005, 09:07 AM

If the raiders actually figured out that they should go with a 4-3 the majority of the time and not the 3-4 they might actually stop a drive or two this year.

Raider Bill · 06-28-2005, 02:21 PM

Quote:

their d-line still looks weak

Isn't there a saying about glass houses and stones (and former Cleveland D Linemen)?

06-27-2005, 09:10 PM	#1
Raider Bill ........ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Southern New Joisey Posts: 4,202	FYI/If you care.. Oakland signs Ed Jasper http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...er.raiders.ap/ Again, I am only posting this for those who are interested in whats happening with divisional rivals... if you dont care dont friggin click on it.

06-27-2005, 09:14 PM	#2
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,504 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Isnt he primarily a 3-4 guy though? Thats right you guys are gonna do both. He is pretty old but not bad. How are the rookies looking (esp Hawthorne) ? __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

06-27-2005, 10:19 PM	#11
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,504 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	I think Raider fans will be pleasantly surprised to see immediate contributions from their rookie class on defense. Hawthorne will start and have a good rookie season. I think Morrison will find his way into the lineup at some point in the year as well. Im not sold on either of those corners though. I really feel that in the second round they missed the boat by going for Stanford Routt over a guy like Kevin Burnett, who could provide a much needed infusion of speed and skill at the LB position or one of the remaining DL. Nonetheless, i am grateful that they got Routt if for no other reason that it prevented Shanny from getting him, which was a strong possibility considering his comments after the draft re: Routt and some of the things leaking out a few days before regarding Denver's strong interest. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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06-27-2005, 09:25 PM	#3
Raider Bill ........ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Southern New Joisey Posts: 4,202	I'm starting to think Washington gets waived now. Atlanta used a 4-3 last season I think.... It's all sunshine and roses coming out of Oakland, but who the hell knows SoCal? They need to put pads on and bang heads and see how it shakes out. There are enough guys now to at least have competition at many positions. From what I can gather we're running more of a Baltimore/New England type 3-4 with big outside backers setting the edge against the run almost like a 5-2. 3-4 Sam LB looks like it will be Ty Brayton playing that Suggs role Will LB looks like it will be Sam Williams playing the Boulware role. (Note I am making positional comparisons only, not comparing talent level) Not the Pittsburgh type where you're disquising who the 4th rusher will be. Burgess is only going to play 4-3, nickel, and dime RDE. I guess they're afraid he's going to break.

06-27-2005, 09:27 PM	#4
Jason in LA Gimmie that rep fool! Speaking of Butts & Boob Mojo Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LA Posts: 12,254	How many DTs are they going to sign? This guy is old and was thinking about retiring. It's a decent signing, because there isn't much there at this point. But I wouldn't call this guy an impact player.

06-27-2005, 09:35 PM	#5
Raider Bill ........ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Southern New Joisey Posts: 4,202	If it's financially feasible to release him, this guy may supplant Ted Washington. Heck, this guy may not stick, he only got 25 grand for a signing bonus. Stepper wants his Aggie though

06-27-2005, 09:41 PM	#7
Raider Bill ........ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Southern New Joisey Posts: 4,202	Well, as a poster smarter than I, on another board I go to, pointed out, Brayton only looked like crap after we ran out of weakside Linebackers and stuck him over there. If all he has to do is set the edge against the run, cover the short flat, or get after the QB if he's uncovered, it's no different than what slow assed Willie McGinnest does in New England. It's not much different than playing 4-3 RDE in a zone blitzing scheme like Philly.

06-27-2005, 10:11 PM	#9
Sodak Clueless... Who stole my avatar? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Black Hills of Dakota Posts: 3,080	Wow. I'm enjoying this thread. Football talk amongst rivals, and no smack. Bravo!

06-27-2005, 10:15 PM	#10
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,973 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Jasper was a decent pick up, but he is also old and will probably not give the raiders much help at all, their d-line still looks weak, if their lucky burgess will play a bigger role than they first assumed.

06-27-2005, 10:35 PM	#12
Raider Bill ........ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Southern New Joisey Posts: 4,202	Who knows, NE made a bunch of stiff white guys into a solid LB corps.

06-27-2005, 10:37 PM	#13
Raider Bill ........ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Southern New Joisey Posts: 4,202	They can probably afford to take the Sheldon Brown, Lito Shepard approach with the corners. Neither HAS to play right away and Routt is probably a 3 year project if he pans out at all.

06-28-2005, 09:07 AM	#15
MT-Tdawg TIMAY!!! Adopt a Bronco: BIG AL #56 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 348	If the raiders actually figured out that they should go with a 4-3 the majority of the time and not the 3-4 they might actually stop a drive or two this year.