Some Republicans Idea of Family values .....

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

And that move by Clinton has been roundly and soundly denounced by this board's Libs, W*GS.


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He knows that , when he gets to playing these games , just play back ... he has nothing left in the tank , so rehash and hope somthing sticks

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

And that move by Clinton has been roundly and soundly denounced by this board's Libs, W*GS.

Just as pedophilia has been soundly denounced by everyone.

However, the fact that Reynolds' prison time was commuted says something about at least one Democrat, does it not? This Democrat is not some minor party official, or state or local government politician.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Both are wrong.

Which is more wrong?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Just as pedophilia has been soundly denounced by everyone.

However, the fact that Reynolds' prison time was commuted says something about at least one Democrat, does it not? This Democrat is not some minor party official, or state or local government politician.

difference is WA*GSY , we didnt sugar coat it , didnt say well all politicans are scum ........ Nope came right out and said Reynolds would make a Prefect Republican.. errr scum thats what I meant ot say was scum

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Just as pedophilia has been soundly denounced by everyone.

Some of the board's conservatives have either minimized the issue or deflected rather than denouncing it, W*GS.

However, the fact that Reynolds' prison time was commuted says something about at least one Democrat, does it not? This Democrat is not some minor party official, or state or local government politician.

Has anyone put this particular Dem up on some pedestal as a paragon of virtue? I surely haven't.

Which is more wrong?

Wrong is wrong, W*GS... it's like asking which is darker, charcoal gray or slate gray.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

difference is WA*GSY , we didnt sugar coat it

Who did?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Some of the board's conservatives have either minimized the issue or deflected rather than denouncing it, W*GS.

Names?

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Has anyone put this particular Dem up on some pedestal as a paragon of virtue? I surely haven't.

So...

Mel Reynolds was convicted of statutory rape. He was in prison. Clinton commuted his sentence.

Therefore at least one Democrat (one could say "some", even) has some strange ideas about sex between adults and underage kids.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Wrong is wrong, W*GS... it's like asking which is darker, charcoal gray or slate gray.

Lame dodge.

Jaywalking is wrong. Killing an infant by stomping on its head is wrong.

"Wrong is wrong", eh?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Who did?

Oh you and a couple other right wing guys ...oh Spider , all Politians are evil , No worse then crooks ... Yadda , Yadda, Yadda ..........Then when that didnt work , you came up with a Brilliant Idea , that I had a agenda , My motives were suspect .....

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Names?

um . you for 1

Jaywalking is wrong. Killing an infant by stomping on its head is wrong.

"Wrong is wrong", eh?

. same argument I was making , but then you said a thief , is on the same level as a Child molestor complete different stance then you had Back in the earlier pages of this thread ......... Glad to see you finaly see my way of thinking there W*GS

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Oh you and a couple other right wing guys ...oh Spider , all Politians are evil , No worse then crooks ... Yadda , Yadda, Yadda ..........Then when that didnt work

You didn't accept the idea that neither party has a monopoly on criminal behavior.

Originally Posted by §Pide®

, you came up with a Brilliant Idea , that I had a agenda , My motives were suspect.....

What would you say to a thread that began with a list of rapists (who all happened to be African-American) titled "Some Blacks Idea of Respecting Women"?

Would you believe the poster had an agenda, or was just helpfully supplying some information?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

same argument I was making , but then you said a thief , is on the same level as a Child molestor

Depends on the level of thievery.

How much suffering for how many people did the CEOs of Enron, Worldcom, Parmalat, etc. cause?

Clearly, someone stealing a pack of gum from Safeway isn't anywhere as evil as someone who's a pedophile. On the other hand, someone who engages in wholesale fraud of billions of dollars isn't so easily dismissed as less evil.

Or do pedophiles in particular occupy the lowest rung in Hell, in your view, Spider, with no-one worse?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

You didn't accept the idea that neither party has a monopoly on criminal behavior.

Sure I did , even told you to come up with a list of Dems guilty of the same crime ...... never did see that list .......

What would you say to a thread that began with a list of rapists (who all happened to be African-American) titled "Some Blacks Idea of Respecting Women"?

Well as soon as the Black Community runs on a platform of womens rights , by all means make the list ........

Would you believe the poster had an agenda, or was just helpfully supplying some information?

Depends , if there a was black movment running for office o nthe Platform of womens rights , and a few of them on the Platform was on your list ..... Then hell yes post it ........ do you see the connection yet ?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Depends on the level of thievery.

But there is no level of Child Molestation ...... Next .......

[quote]How much suffering for how many people did the CEOs of Enron, Worldcom, Parmalat, etc. cause?[/quote ] Not as much as a Kid being raped ....

Clearly, someone stealing a pack of gum from Safeway isn't anywhere as evil as someone who's a pedophile. On the other hand, someone who engages in wholesale fraud of billions of dollars isn't so easily dismissed as less evil.

a thief is a thief W*GS .... But a Child Molestor has no way to make resitution , cant be rehabilitated , and takes something that can never ever be replaced ....

Or do pedophiles in particular occupy the lowest rung in Hell, in your view, Spider, with no-one worse?

No one worse .......

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

No one worse .......

A run-of-the-mill pedophile is worse than Jeffrey Dahmer? Ted Bundy? Osama bin Laden? al-Zarqawi?

Really?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

But a Child Molestor has no way to make resitution , cant be rehabilitated , and takes something that can never ever be replaced ....

How did (say) Ted Kennedy make restitution for, or replace, the young woman he let drown?

Pedophilia is a horrible horrible crime. If one of my kids was victimized by one of them, he would die the most incredibly painful death any human has ever suffered. It would take days of the purest agony and pain - he would beg to die to stop it.

But is pedophilia the worst possible crime?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

A run-of-the-mill pedophile is worse than Jeffrey Dahmer? Ted Bundy? Osama bin Laden? al-Zarqawi?

Really?

So we went from thieves to Serial Killers , But yeah , these guys attacked adults that could fight back a Kid cant ........ OBL targeted 2 Building that could have had kids in there , so he is on a different field then those other guys ........

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

How did (say) Ted Kennedy make restitution for, or replace, the young woman he let drown?

Didnt let anymore women drown in his car . lessoned learned I 'd say ......

Pedophilia is a horrible horrible crime. If one of my kids was victimized by one of them, he would die the most incredibly painful death any human has ever suffered. It would take days of the purest agony and pain - he would beg to die to stop it.

But is pedophilia the worst possible crime?

Break it down junior ...... simple as that Kids are our future , they are an investment , they will take over for us ..... if we screw them up , America is in a shít lod of trouble

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Names?

Come off it, W*GS... you know as well as I do that more of the board's conservatives were outraged at Spider for posting the list than they were at the Republicans whose names were on it.

So...

Mel Reynolds was convicted of statutory rape. He was in prison. Clinton commuted his sentence.

Therefore at least one Democrat (one could say "some", even) has some strange ideas about sex between adults and underage kids.

Therefore, at least one Democrat took an action I would not have taken. Making a further assumption about his ideas about pedophilia is a risky proposition, however...

Lame dodge.

Jaywalking is wrong. Killing an infant by stomping on its head is wrong.

"Wrong is wrong", eh?

You consider it a "lame dodge" to say that both were wrong, eh? Is that why you'd apparently prefer to deflect than to denounce those guys on the list?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Come off it, W*GS... you know as well as I do that more of the board's conservatives were outraged at Spider for posting the list than they were at the Republicans whose names were on it.

Can you be more specific?

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Therefore, at least one Democrat took an action I would not have taken. Making a further assumption about his ideas about pedophilia is a risky proposition, however...

But since he didn't run on a "family values" platform, it's not as bad?

Truly?

Originally Posted by Blueflame

You consider it a "lame dodge" to say that both were wrong, eh?

I ain't the one who said "Wrong is wrong", as if there are no valuations about wrongful behavior. Thank goodness society and the laws it's made don't think the same way. Imagine getting executed for "borrowing" a pen from the office.

Now, where does Ted Kennedy's wrongful behavior of letting someone drown compare to (say) Arnold Schwarzenegger's (he's on the list, recall) alleged wrongful behavior?

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Is that why you'd apparently prefer to deflect than to denounce those guys on the list?

I've denounced them multiple times.

Do you want an Exorcist-ish mantra?

1. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
2. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
3. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
4. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
[...]
500. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."

Happier?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

I've denounced them multiple times.

Do you want an Exorcist-ish mantra?

1. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
2. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
3. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
4. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
[...]
500. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."

Happier?

I dont know man ...... I just didnt feel the emotion ..... do it again this time more anger .........

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Come off it, W*GS... you know as well as I do that more of the board's conservatives were outraged at Spider for posting the list than they were at the Republicans whose names were on it.

..i would agree , there were times I thought Michael More was more liked then me ..............

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Can you be more specific?

More specific?? I can't count how many times Spider's "agenda" on this thread has been called into question... or how many times he's been chided for failure to provide a similar list of Democratic pedophiles.

Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd and Bill Clinton have all been brought up numerous times...yet none of them have anything whatsoever to do with allegations of pedophilia, unless you're counting Clinton's pardon of Mel Reynolds, which has already been solidly denounced.

But since he didn't run on a "family values" platform, it's not as bad?

Truly?

Since he (Clinton) didn't victimize a child, it's not as bad.

I ain't the one who said "Wrong is wrong", as if there are no valuations about wrongful behavior.

No, you're the one who's pointing out Democratic misdeeds as a means of deflecting (ie:changing the subject) from Republican wrongdoing.

Thank goodness society and the laws it's made don't think the same way. Imagine getting executed for "borrowing" a pen from the office.

Now, where does Ted Kennedy's wrongful behavior of letting someone drown compare to (say) Arnold Schwarzenegger's (he's on the list, recall) alleged wrongful behavior?

Both were wrong. Sorry, but Ted's wrongdoing does not justify Arnold's.

I've denounced them multiple times.

This post is the first denunciation of them I've seen from you, W*GS...

Do you want an Exorcist-ish mantra?

1. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
2. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
3. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
4. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."
[...]
500. "I denounce pedophiles (especially Republican ones)."

Happier?

Yes, that's much better.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

More specific?? I can't count how many times Spider's "agenda" on this thread has been called into question... or how many times he's been chided for failure to provide a similar list of Democratic pedophiles.

There aren't any (excepting one), right?

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd and Bill Clinton have all been brought up numerous times...yet none of them have anything whatsoever to do with allegations of pedophilia, unless you're counting Clinton's pardon of Mel Reynolds, which has already been solidly denounced.

And that's why I've been trying to get you to place pedophilia and the crimes of the above on some sort of scale. "Wrong is wrong" isn't sufficient.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Since he (Clinton) didn't victimize a child, it's not as bad.

Clinton commuted Reynolds' prison sentence based on Reynolds' conviction on statutory rape charges. Pedophiles, rapists and others are bad enough - but when they're let back out into society, knowingly so...

Originally Posted by Blueflame

No, you're the one who's pointing out Democratic misdeeds as a means of deflecting (ie:changing the subject) from Republican wrongdoing.

There's no Democrat who's done anything as wrong as any of those 45 or so Republicans? Really?

And now we're back to deciding which is worse:

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Both were wrong. Sorry, but Ted's wrongdoing does not justify Arnold's.

Arnold's alleged wrongdoing didn't result in someone dying. The same cannot be said of Ted.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

This post is the first denunciation of them I've seen from you, W*GS...

You've not read the thread, then.

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Yes, that's much better.

Now, let's see you denounce Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd, demand their immediate expulsion from the Democratic Party, and then demand that they make restitution to their victims and society as a whole for their crimes.

You up for that?

Or, does Ted Kennedy get a free pass because he's never said he's not a drunk, and he's never claimed to treat women as anything other than dirt.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

There aren't any (excepting one), right?

you have been asked several times over to provide one , cause I couldnt .....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

No, you're the one who's pointing out Democratic misdeeds as a means of deflecting (ie:changing the subject) from Republican wrongdoing.

This sort of thing is O'W*GS' sole raíson d'être on this forum and in life.

Take it away and he has nothing.

The house of cards sheltering DeLay and Rove, et al, comes crashing down.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Come off it, W*GS... you know as well as I do that more of the board's conservatives were outraged at Spider for posting the list than they were at the Republicans whose names were on it.

Hammer, nail, head.

The same can be said about these people's response to any scandal involving the current misadministration and the repugs in Washington.

You can usually expect the same set of responses we're getting from O'W*GS here: Denial, deflection, obfuscation, and "controversializing the accuser."