Some Republicans Idea of Family values .....

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

, W*GS if you dont see the Hypocrisy and the Purpose of this thread , it is Cause you choose not to , but dont take my word for it , your Post speak for themselfs , you have tried every way possible to deflect from the original post .....

How so? Someone else put together a list of Republicans that have been accused or convicted of pedophilia - did I say that those Republicans weren't scum? Does "I think politicians are scum" ring a bell?

Originally Posted by §Pide®

If you dont see anything wrong with a Party saying they Stand for Family Values , meanwhile some of their Members are Pulling a Michael Jackson , Maybe the NRA is the Militant wing for NAMBLA , .........

Does "I think politicians are scum" ring a bell?

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I got what I wanted , I wanted to see how far you would go to Defelct and Defend these guys , and right on cue you spun away ........ you actually Compared a Party saying they stand up for Poor People , to a Party that says they are Religious while Cornholing a 13 year old Boy ......... thats rich

Republicans claim to be moral or religious - yet some engage in pedophilia.
Yep, those Republicans are hypocrites, and criminal too. Democrats claim to stand up for working folk and the poor - yet some are the richest members of Congress. Yep, those Democrats are hypocrites - some are criminal (Mel Reynolds, for example) too.

Does "I think politicians are scum" ring a bell?

Does the existence of scumbag pedophile Republicans mean all Republicans are bad? Does the existence of Mel Reynolds mean that all Democrats are fraud pedophiles? Maybe Reynolds proves men are bad, or blacks, or whatever other grouping you can associate him with.

What was your point, anyway? Guilt-by-association?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I have to ask , is it so Damn Hard for Bush apologist to say , Yeah Spider they are Scum and got what they deserved , or will get busted ....... Sex with Kids despite what Party you Belong to is wrong ?
Instead of Defelcting , Spinning , Well the Democrats did this or that ?

Did I ever say pedophilia was right?

Did I not say "politicians are scum"?

Perhaps what your list really proves is that men are scum - I don't recall seeing any women on your list.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

How so? Someone else put together a list of Republicans that have been accused or convicted of pedophilia - did I say that those Republicans weren't scum? Does "I think politicians are scum" ring a bell?

I draw a line , I take it asa given that Politians Promise me one thing , then do what is ever best for their career , I understand they lie , steal , Cheat , to get ahead , I understand this , What I dont understand is Child Molesting , that is beyond the realm here ...... So the whole they are scum doesnt cut it with ,me ...... When you target children for your sexual desires , that goes way past skimming from a slush fund , Getting a Hummer from a fat chick in a beret .... Let me put it this way , I cant stand a thief ,I view a thief as someone who is too lazy and too damn stupid to improve their life , and they will take from a person who has worked damn hard , with no regret , no remorse , a thief is damn low , But not as low as a Person that targets kids to satisfy preverse sexual addiction . I can replace what a thief takes , I cant replace my childrens innocents , i cant replace the violation of Trust , I cant replace the security they once knew .........

What was your point, anyway? Guilt-by-association?

I already told you my point ..........

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Did I ever say pedophilia was right?

Trivializing it is the same thing , I draw a line between stealing and Child molesting ...........

Perhaps what your list really proves is that men are scum - I don't recall seeing any women on your list.

That goes without saying

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Trivializing it is the same thing , I draw a line between stealing and Child molesting ...........

How did I trivialize it?

All politicians are hypocrites, to a lesser or greater degree.

Can you find a list of pedophiles who happened to be Democrats? Or are Democrats merely thieves and liars, and Republicans are thieves, liars, and pedophiles, so they're worse?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

How did I trivialize it?

All politicians are hypocrites, to a lesser or greater degree.

Can you find a list of pedophiles who happened to be Democrats? Or are Democrats merely thieves and liars, and Republicans are thieves, liars, and pedophiles, so they're worse?

I tried to find a list , I now know why I missed Mel Reynolds .
again a thief is one thing , Child Molester is another , you seem to want ot classify a thief as the same to Child Molestor , where as I draw a line between the 2 ....... But then this should also show why you shouldnt vote Party line either ........ If Bush and Mel Reynolds were running for Govenor of Wyoming , I cant stand Bush , but I would vote for Bush before Reynolds .......

[W*GS]

Well, I tracked down the original list and it seems to have arisen on Democratic Undergroud - IIRC, LABF's favorite site.

If there's a Republican Underground analogue, they might have a list.

Either way, I don't believe a list of Republican pedophiles indicts the entire party, any more than Robert "Sheets" Byrd or Mel Reynolds indicts all Democrats.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Well, I tracked down the original list and it seems to have arisen on Democratic Undergroud - IIRC, LABF's favorite site.

If there's a Republican Underground analogue, they might have a list.

Either way, I don't believe a list of Republican pedophiles indicts the entire party, any more than Robert "Sheets" Byrd or Mel Reynolds indicts all Democrats.

Didnt say it did , Hense the title of this thread , Some ......... Some = Meaning not all .......
Yeah I found it on several Democratic websites .......

[orangenblue2]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Who cares?

The wealthiest members of the Senate are Democrats - and the most recent Democratic nominee for President was the wealthiest member in the entire Congress, if I'm not mistaken.

Which party runs on standing up for the working man?
Which party claims to be for the poor?

How does that square with the incredible wealth held by the top Democrats?

Therein lies your problem W*GS. It "squares" like this. I would submit to you that simply being wealthy doesn't mean you can't have empathy for the "working man", or be the party of the "poor". The Democratic Party and it's members have been the prime architects of all of this country's social and societal benefits. Yes, some of the wealthiest Congressmen happen to be Democrats; but they also happen to be some of the most compassionate as well. I guess you would rather have the Dems subscribe to the old "I've got mine, *uck everyone else" song and dance of the Republicans? Your thinking is flawed and your logic is twisted.

Lastly, Spider was dead on in his assesment. How you could take a list of Republican pedophiles and come up with "all politicians are scum" is incomprehensible. Its people like you who somehow turn a blind eye to this crap that makes me fear for the future of this country.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by orangenblue2

Therein lies your problem W*GS. It "squares" like this. I would submit to you that simply being wealthy doesn't mean you can't have empathy for the "working man", or be the party of the "poor".

If person X gains wealth, and always at the expense of person Y (the standard left-wing belief in the zero-sum nature of wealth) then, accepting that premise, the wealth of many Democrats has come at the expense of others. How can a wealthy Democrat say with a straight face that he or she is standing up for the poor or the working man when that wealth had to come from someone else's hide?

I don't accept the premise that person X being wealthy means that person Y has to be poor, so it doesn't bother me that Democrats can be wealthy. However, it is a problem for the zero-sum crowd.

Originally Posted by orangenblue2

The Democratic Party and it's members have been the prime architects of all of this country's social and societal benefits. Yes, some of the wealthiest Congressmen happen to be Democrats; but they also happen to be some of the most compassionate as well. I guess you would rather have the Dems subscribe to the old "I've got mine, *uck everyone else" song and dance of the Republicans? Your thinking is flawed and your logic is twisted.

It's much easier to be generous with other people's money than your own. I can advocate all the wealth redistribution programs in the world if I'm not talking my own cash. And, considering the damage these entitlement programs are causing to the economy, as well as the sense of entitlement that so many people have, it's hard to say that these programs are an unqualified success, either in terms of dollars or philosophically.

Originally Posted by orangenblue2

Lastly, Spider was dead on in his assesment. How you could take a list of Republican pedophiles and come up with "all politicians are scum" is incomprehensible.

Only to folks such as yourself who think scum exist on only one side of the aisle. How many war-starting Democrats (JFK and LBJ, for example) equals how many pedophile Republicans? What's the equivalence? How many Arnold "the Gropinator" Schwarzeneggers equals how many Robert "Sheet" Byrds?

Originally Posted by orangenblue2

Its people like you who somehow turn a blind eye to this crap that makes me fear for the future of this country.

What "blind eye"? Did I say that the list was a lie? That Republicans are above reproach? It's folks like you who turn a "blind eye" to the criminal/scummy actions of all politicians who are the bigger problem, IMHO.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

If person X gains wealth, and always at the expense of person Y (the standard left-wing belief in the zero-sum nature of wealth) then, accepting that premise, the wealth of many Democrats has come at the expense of others. How can a wealthy Democrat say with a straight face that he or she is standing up for the poor or the working man when that wealth had to come from someone else's hide?

I don't accept the premise that person X being wealthy means that person Y has to be poor, so it doesn't bother me that Democrats can be wealthy. However, it is a problem for the zero-sum crowd.



It's much easier to be generous with other people's money than your own. I can advocate all the wealth redistribution programs in the world if I'm not talking my own cash. And, considering the damage these entitlement programs are causing to the economy, as well as the sense of entitlement that so many people have, it's hard to say that these programs are an unqualified success, either in terms of dollars or philosophically.



Only to folks such as yourself who think scum exist on only one side of the aisle. How many war-starting Democrats (JFK and LBJ, for example) equals how many pedophile Republicans? What's the equivalence? How many Arnold "the Gropinator" Schwarzeneggers equals how many Robert "Sheet" Byrds?



What "blind eye"? Did I say that the list was a lie? That Republicans are above reproach? It's folks like you who turn a "blind eye" to the criminal/scummy actions of all politicians who are the bigger problem, IMHO.

W*GS you couldnt be futher from the mark ........
If you want to seeThieves and Liars as the same as Pedophilia , thats on you..... I will give you the benifit of a doubt and say you reside in LA LA land where the Michael Jacksons of the world think along the same lines as you do .......

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

W*GS you couldnt be futher from the mark ........
If you want to seeThieves and Liars as the same as Pedophilia , thats on you..... I will give you the benifit of a doubt and say you reside in LA LA land where the Michael Jacksons of the world think along the same lines as you do .......

Whatever, §Pide®.

What do you want me to say?

"Some Republicans are pedophiles and hypocrites"? I've already said as much.

You want me to get myself into a snit of righteous proportions over this list? Since I believe all politicians are scum, hypocrites and liars, these particular instances don't surprise me or particularly outrage me. If this sort of thing is news to you, then you haven't been paying attention.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Whatever, §Pide®.

What do you want me to say?

"Some Republicans are pedophiles and hypocrites"? I've already said as much.

You want me to get myself into a snit of righteous proportions over this list? Since I believe all politicians are scum, hypocrites and liars, these particular instances don't surprise me or particularly outrage me. If this sort of thing is news to you, then you haven't been paying attention.

Naw What I take offense to is lumpng them all together , Thieves , liars , Pedophiles ........ Pedophiles are the worst , they cant be cured , their offenses are the worst , you cant seem to decipher the degree of of these crimes ..... and that is on you W*GS , not me , Michael Jackson thinks along the same lines as you ....... and that is the danger .......

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Naw What I take offense to is lumpng them all together , Thieves , liars , Pedophiles ........ Pedophiles are the worst , they cant be cured , their offenses are the worst , you cant seem to decipher the degree of of these crimes ..... and that is on you W*GS , not me , Michael Jackson thinks along the same lines as you ....... and that is the danger .......

Bite me, prick.

How about you get all these guys, line them up, and I'll use my NRA-approved firearms on them, one by one. First shot to the crotch, second one to the head.

Now you satisfied that I don't think pedophilia is a minor deal?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Bite me, prick.

How about you get all these guys, line them up, and I'll use my NRA-approved firearms on them, one by one. First shot to the crotch, second one to the head.

Now you satisfied that I don't think pedophilia is a minor deal?

thats all you had to say ....... Instead of Covering these Pedophiles by saying all Politians are scum ......... there are degrees W*GS ......

[Spider]

For example W*GS , No one will tell you a Politian is honest , but No one would point a Finger and say they are Child Molestors ........

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

thats all you had to say ....... Instead of Covering these Pedophiles by saying all Politians are scum ......... there are degrees W*GS ......

Pedophiles aren't scum?

Pedophiles are especially scummy?

Pedophiles need to be executed ASAP?

I'm not "covering" anyone, a-hole.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Pedophiles aren't scum?

Pedophiles are especially scummy?

Pedophiles need to be executed ASAP?

I'm not "covering" anyone, a-hole.

Sure you was ....... Instead of saying these guys are the lowest of the low , you just said all politians are scum ....... Dont get mad at me , you are the one that made your own post ..... you created your own shiat storm here , not me .... Now you are trying to spin yourself out of the hole you dug .......It isnt my fault , your line of thinking falls in step with M. Jackson ......

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Sure you was ....... Instead of saying these guys are the lowest of the low , you just said all politians are scum ....... Dont get mad at me , you are the one that made your own post ..... you created your own shiat storm here , not me .... Now you are trying to spin yourself out of the hole you dug .......

Puhleeze.

Pedophiles are scum. Politicians are scum. Pedophile politicians are double scum. Pedophile Republican politicians are thrice scum.

BTW, is an accusation of molestation as good as proof of guilt?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Puhleeze.

Pedophiles are scum. Politicians are scum. Pedophile politicians are double scum. Pedophile Republican politicians are thrice scum.

BTW, is an accusation of molestation as good as proof of guilt?

alot on the list have plead guilty or have been convicted ...... those are the ones I am talking about , the others I am not to sure about , but worthy of investigation as we all are.....and if they are aquitted , then so be it ... But now you are starting to understand that child molestion is worse then a thief or a Liar ..... May I be the first to say you have taken your first step into reality ..... It gets better

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

But now you are starting to understand that child molestion is worse then a thief or a Liar ..... May I be the first to say you have taken your first step into reality ..... It gets better

Someone gropes a 17-year-old.

A politician lies and thousands of soldiers die because of the lie.

The molestation is worse than the lie?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Someone gropes a 17-year-old.

A politician lies and thousands of soldiers die because of the lie.

The molestation is worse than the lie?

what did I say about Degrees ? do I need to go back over that again with you ?

[Spider]

But then groping a 17 year old would be Statutory Rape , not Child Molestation , but I will play along W*GS

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

what did I say about Degrees ? do I need to go back over that again with you ?

"child molestion is worse then a thief or a Liar"

Where's the degrees in the above statement?

All instances of child molestation are worse than all instances of theft and all instances of lying, right?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

"child molestion is worse then a thief or a Liar"

Where's the degrees in the above statement?

All instances of child molestation are worse than all instances of theft and all instances of lying, right?

First off Grouping a 17 year old is Statutory rape , not child molestation , Secondly Bush Lied thousands Died , horrid indeed , but then those People volunteered to be in the Military , they are 18 Years of Age , they entered by signing a contract , do you see the difference yet ?