Time to close the borders....

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

A wave of worry is passing through Denver's undocumented workers, some of whom fear they may come under scrutiny as the city mourns the death of a decorated detective, allegedly at the hands of an illegal immigrant.

"We're considered delinquents because we're illegal," Eduardo Burquez said. "But just because we're illegal doesn't mean we're all bad."


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With the slaying and subsequent manhunt, concentrated on the massive immigrant population in Los Angeles, the immigration debate has returned to the forefront of public discussion.

U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Littleton, has taken to the airwaves, arguing that Denver police need to crack down on illegal immigrants. He believes officers should work with the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement when conducting routine traffic stops.

But several of the city's illegal workers said Friday they hope the community will leave them be. Many have come here to work to support families and don't want to be painted with a broad brush.

"We come here to work honestly, to help people in our country," said Flor Monroy, of Michoacan, Mexico.

Monroy and several other women have formed a group called Queens of Clean and arrive at a nonprofit labor center most mornings hoping for work.

Manuel Martinez, of Chihuahua, Mexico, said Friday that many companies in his native city have packed up and moved to China. He earned about $10 a day until the businesses folded. Here, he said, he makes about $60 to $70 for three days of work.

He takes the jobs to support his wife and two children.

"We come here risking everything, crossing deserts and mountains," Martinez said. "I wish they would give us temporary permits to work."

Monroy, who is 60, said if illegal immigrants had ID cards, it might help the government keep tabs on them.

"If they don't give us IDs, how will they know who we are?" she said. "There's plenty of good people here. They should get IDs, so people know where they come from."

Many of the immigrants inside Centro Humanitario on California Street said Friday that those who break the law or use drugs should face consequences.

"The ones who drink or do drugs should be deported," Monroy said.

But they also pointed out that they have been victims of crimes as well.

Samuel Lopez, 38, who works odd jobs in Denver and crosses the border home every year, said he was beaten up while on a job laying cement because he told supervisors some co-workers had been leaving on a daily basis to get high.

In regard to the shooting of Denver Detective Donald Young, Lopez said, "The one who committed the crime should pay. But it would be unjust to go after ones that don't harm others."

Several undocumented residents of Denver say they already don't drive because they fear prosecution.

Martinez said he doesn't drive but having a license would help him look for a job, instead of having to rely on employers who show up to day labor centers.

Phil Harpole, employment director at the nonprofit Centro Humanitario, says illegal immigrants are often taken advantage of by employers who promise to pay them "tomorrow."

For those who say it's immoral to be here illegally, he asks, "Is it illegal not to pay people?"

Harpole said hearing Tancredo's arguments concerns him.

"We're all immigrants," he said.



THOUGHTS: I dont live in denver but CA and this just came to my attention while browsing for bronco news at the rockymountain news website. Now Im frustrated that we still havent closed the borders to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Im all for immigration just long as you fill the paperwork required. My thoughts sympathies go to the families of the cop.

[Sir Mawn]

I clearly see where you're coming from. Here in Mexico, many argue that if it weren't for cheap Mexican labor, the U.S. economy would take a huge hit. It's definitely true to an extent. Still, you can't ignore the problems some of these people cause the population who rightfully lives there.

[GreatBronco16]

"We come here to work honestly, to help people in our country," said Flor Monroy, of Michoacan, Mexico.

Then if you want to come here for work, fill out the paper work and come over here legally. If you can't do that, then don't bítch when it is your time to be deported.

I'm so sick of these illegal immigrants thinking it is their right to come and stay here.

[MajikMan7]

Hola, soy mexicano, trabajo ilegalmente

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by Champbaileystopsmoss

A wave of worry is passing through Denver's undocumented workers, some of whom fear they may come under scrutiny as the city mourns the death of a decorated detective, allegedly at the hands of an illegal immigrant.

"We're considered delinquents because we're illegal," Eduardo Burquez said. "But just because we're illegal doesn't mean we're all bad."

Not true. But this is America jack, one bad apple spoils the bunch.

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With the slaying and subsequent manhunt, concentrated on the massive immigrant population in Los Angeles, the immigration debate has returned to the forefront of public discussion.

U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Littleton, has taken to the airwaves, arguing that Denver police need to crack down on illegal immigrants. He believes officers should work with the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement when conducting routine traffic stops.

Waste of tax payer money if you ask me. Save those funds for keeping the illegals OUT.

But several of the city's illegal workers said Friday they hope the community will leave them be. Many have come here to work to support families and don't want to be painted with a broad brush.

"We come here to work honestly, to help people in our country," said Flor Monroy, of Michoacan, Mexico.

OK buddy, we dont want you using our money and sending it out of country weakening our economy at the same time. Go fix your own country.

Monroy and several other women have formed a group called Queens of Clean and arrive at a nonprofit labor center most mornings hoping for work.

Manuel Martinez, of Chihuahua, Mexico, said Friday that many companies in his native city have packed up and moved to China. He earned about $10 a day until the businesses folded. Here, he said, he makes about $60 to $70 for three days of work.

Things will never improve in Mexico if people dont bother to stay and try to fix things.

He takes the jobs to support his wife and two children.

"We come here risking everything, crossing deserts and mountains," Martinez said. "I wish they would give us temporary permits to work."

Risk everything? You risk deportation, thats it. Fill out the paperwork, get your temporary permit, no one is stopping you but you, lazy ****.

Monroy, who is 60, said if illegal immigrants had ID cards, it might help the government keep tabs on them.

"If they don't give us IDs, how will they know who we are?" she said. "There's plenty of good people here. They should get IDs, so people know where they come from."

They will give you an ID b****, you just dont want it cause you will have to pay taxes then assmunch.

Many of the immigrants inside Centro Humanitario on California Street said Friday that those who break the law or use drugs should face consequences.

"The ones who drink or do drugs should be deported," Monroy said.

But they also pointed out that they have been victims of crimes as well.

Well no sh*t sherlock, welcome to America.

Samuel Lopez, 38, who works odd jobs in Denver and crosses the border home every year, said he was beaten up while on a job laying cement because he told supervisors some co-workers had been leaving on a daily basis to get high.

We dont like narc's, bet you dont tell on anyone again. Nothing to do with being an illegal, everything to do with being a punk.

In regard to the shooting of Denver Detective Donald Young, Lopez said, "The one who committed the crime should pay. But it would be unjust to go after ones that don't harm others."

You are committing a crime by being here illegally. Why should you not pay for that crime if the suspect has to pay for his crime of shooting an officer?

Several undocumented residents of Denver say they already don't drive because they fear prosecution.

Good dillwads. You cant drive if you dont have a license!

Martinez said he doesn't drive but having a license would help him look for a job, instead of having to rely on employers who show up to day labor centers.

Take your lazy ass down to the immigration office and get the necessary paperwork done so you can stay here legally trhen you can get a license then you can drive.

Phil Harpole, employment director at the nonprofit Centro Humanitario, says illegal immigrants are often taken advantage of by employers who promise to pay them "tomorrow."

For those who say it's immoral to be here illegally, he asks, "Is it illegal not to pay people?"

Harpole said hearing Tancredo's arguments concerns him.

"We're all immigrants," he said.

No we arent. I was born here.

THOUGHTS: I dont live in denver but CA and this just came to my attention while browsing for bronco news at the rockymountain news website. Now Im frustrated that we still havent closed the borders to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Im all for immigration just long as you fill the paperwork required. My thoughts sympathies go to the families of the cop.

Agreed.

[CHIEF4EVER]

I have no problem with folks from Mexico coming to this country legally to work. Do a background check and issue them work permits . If one is found to be here illegally, ship him/her home and bar them from returning.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't mind that they come here and work because most of the work they do is crap work that others won't do. I do have a problem with them low balling though and not going back home. Im sure their "bosses" don't offer them top wages though. It can go either way I guess. Really when it comes down to it I feel they do alot of **** work that others won't do for the wage. Should we place the blame on the worker or the one that pays them the low wage? Im sure one can make more money begging on the corner then these guys do. Also I believe if the law was tougher on the people that hire these guys to work 70 hrs at 3 bucks a hour you would see less and less of them getting jobs here.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

I have no problem with folks from Mexico coming to this country legally to work. Do a background check and issue them work permits . If one is found to be here illegally, ship him/her home and bar them from returning.

I really think that's what we've been doing and it's npt working. That's why we need to declare war on Illegals by killing them onsite.

[Atlas]

Close the borders. People say we need Mexican labor for the U.S. to be successful. I agree but why can't we close the borders and then let the people in legally on tempory cards?? It just seems to easy not to do.

[sirhcyennek81]

so, three million people come into the United States a year, and every single one of them pick fruit. Are we eating that much produce that we have to employ the world's poor? Illegal workers actually pull wages down, but why stop illegal immigration.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I really think that's what we've been doing and it's npt working. That's why we need to declare war on Illegals by killing them onsite.

A little harsh but any illegal caught should automatically drafted into the army or marines to serve in the gulf. After a successful 4 year duty they can become U.S. citizens.

[Spider]

One argument I hear is Employers love to hire these imagrants here is why , you or me go to McDonlads , Buger King , or a Slaughter house to work , we have an Attitude , that attitude is , this job doesnt pay enough to put up with your Shiat , where as these imagrants are thankfull for the job , they do the work without question , you can get 10-16 hour days out of these guys without benifits and O.T.Pay ..........Question is , how many People can afford to work Fast food , Landscaping or a Slaughter house ?
This imagration is a double edge sword , that contributes to the economy and subtracts from the economy in 1 shot ........ No easy answers

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Close the borders. People say we need Mexican labor for the U.S. to be successful. I agree but why can't we close the borders and then let the people in legally on tempory cards?? It just seems to easy not to do.

Did you know Walmart costs the state of California 86 million dollars a year based on the illegals it employs?

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

One argument I hear is Employers love to hire these imagrants here is why , you or me go to McDonlads , Buger King , or a Slaughter house to work , we have an Attitude , that attitude is , this job doesnt pay enough to put up with your Shiat , where as these imagrants are thankfull for the job , they do the work without question , you can get 10-16 hour days out of these guys without benifits and O.T.Pay ..........Question is , how many People can afford to work Fast food , Landscaping or a Slaughter house ?
This imagration is a double edge sword , that contributes to the economy and subtracts from the economy in 1 shot ........ No easy answers

I agree. But why can't we do this through Legal temporary immigration.

[sirhcyennek81]

Starting to think the whole "they do things Americans wont" is BS. But sure, feel bad that they are poor, trying to escape poverty, they dont need to come here. We actually need to aid in developing their countries, so they stay there. More workers that come into this country make our society less cohesive, kind of an us and them vibe, when it should just be a "we" vibe.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Did you know Walmart costs the state of California 86 million dollars a year based on the illegals it employs?

That's everywhere. Come to Texas. HEll, the Pilgrams Pride plant in Lufkin TX got nailed for having hundreds of illegals work there.

We need to close the border for security reasons and we can let all the Mexicans in through a lottery or some "legal" way.

[Champbaileystopsmoss]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Did you know Walmart costs the state of California 86 million dollars a year based on the illegals it employs?

yup...and i foot the ****ing bill for those employees healhtcare...

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Atlas

I agree. But why can't we do this through Legal temporary immigration.

I think we should , but I am not paid to think
one other problem is if a Imagrant woman gives Birth on US soil , the Baby is an American citizen , therefore the Parents cant be deported ...... One solution would be CAFTA , I am leery of it , but if the program is tweaked , we may have a shot to build up a Norht and South America Bloc to equal the EU bloc .....

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

One argument I hear is Employers love to hire these imagrants here is why , you or me go to McDonlads , Buger King , or a Slaughter house to work , we have an Attitude , that attitude is , this job doesnt pay enough to put up with your Shiat , where as these imagrants are thankfull for the job , they do the work without question , you can get 10-16 hour days out of these guys without benifits and O.T.Pay ..........Question is , how many People can afford to work Fast food , Landscaping or a Slaughter house ?
This imagration is a double edge sword , that contributes to the economy and subtracts from the economy in 1 shot ........ No easy answers

I know alot of them pick beats and I can't think of one person that would do that for the crap pay they get. Even at 3 dollars an hour its still 3 buck more then they would make back home. Someone has to pick that crap. I'm sure some drifters would do it for a day or two but most of them make good money on the streets. Like I said I don't have a problem with them working its them staying here then breeding like mad. Pretty soon they have 15 kids and they are getting paid by the US because those kids are now American. I say don't blame them for wanting a better life.

[sirhcyennek81]

How about this...we actually limit how many people come in, to 100,000 a year, and those who do come in legally, must complete english and american history courses. Its just not the mexican border, either. I wonder if we had a group of people sitting on the Montana border would those men have been called racists?

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

How about this...we actually limit how many people come in, to 100,000 a year, and those who do come in legally, must complete english and american history courses. Its just not the mexican border, either. I wonder if we had a group of people sitting on the Montana border would those men have been called racists?

I want to be a Montana border patrol man! Blame Canada!!!

[Spider]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I know alot of them pick beats and I can't think of one person that would do that for the crap pay they get. Even at 3 dollars an hour its still 3 buck more then they would make back home. Someone has to pick that crap. I'm sure some drifters would do it for a day or two but most of them make good money on the streets. Like I said I don't have a problem with them working its them staying here then breeding like mad. Pretty soon they have 15 kids and they are getting paid by the US because those kids are now American. I say don't blame them for wanting a better life.

agreed , I never ever say someone shouldnt improve thier life , This is a hard issue Bro on one hand Imagrant Workers Provide a very usefull service as you pointed out Picking Beats , Shucking corn , you name it , but on the other hand , alot of it is seasonal work , they are not insured , and can wind up draining a community in health care ....... I dont fault anyone on either side of this argument . I am a fense Rider myself

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

agreed , I never ever say someone shouldnt improve thier life , This is a hard issue Bro on one hand Imagrant Workers Provide a very usefull service as you pointed out Picking Beats , Shucking corn , you name it , but on the other hand , alot of it is seasonal work , they are not insured , and can wind up draining a community in health care ....... I dont fault anyone on either side of this argument . I am a fense Rider myself

As am I. I do know that they do alot of work that many Americans have too much "pride" to do. Really it shouldn't be that hard to tweak it so they can improve their lives and not be a drain to the US.

[GreatBronco16]

So these people coming here working for 3 bucks an hour, where do they live? How do they pay their bills and send money back home to Mexico for their families? Even at 80 hours a week, they still only make 240 bucks. In reality they are making alot more than just the 3 bucks an hour. Most of them are getting their rent paid for by taxpayers along with their other bills. Also getting food stamps, etc.

[CHIEF4EVER]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I really think that's what we've been doing and it's npt working. That's why we need to declare war on Illegals by killing them onsite.

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