Winslow update: right knee "ruined"? - The Orange Mane

SoCalBronco · 05-05-2005, 02:23 PM

POSTED 1:43 p.m. EDT, May 5, 2005

BROWNS TO PURSUE WINSLOW BONUS?

We're picking up preliminary indications that the Browns "definitely" will attempt, eventually, to recoup a portion of the signing bonus paid to tight end Kellen Winslow for riding a motorcycle in breach of his contract.

The organization, we're told, feels badly for Winslow, and Winslow and his father, the Chargers Hall of Famer of the same name, are "devastated." Thus, the Browns are unlikely to pursue the full amount of their potential contractual recovery.

But as one league insider explained to us, the Browns need to do something in order to discourage the next guy browsing for crotch rockets to think twice.

Our prediction is that the Browns will offer to resolve the situation by retaining $2 million-plus due to Winslow on July 15 as the final installment of his $4.4 million option bonus. Under the terms of his contract, the team can seek to recover up to $9.4 million, and it looks to be an open-and-shut case.

As to the injuries Winslow suffered as a result of Sunday's accident, we're told that there's a "good chance" that Winslow's right knee is "ruined." No diagnosis is possible until the swelling subsides, and the fact that the swelling has been so extreme for so long suggests that there's a very serious problem with the joint.

For now, the Browns most likely will continue to lay low as to the money issue. It looks like, however, something will happen before owner Randy Lerner is due to write another check to K2 with seven zeroes in July.

If and/or when it's time for Winslow to answer for his decision to buy, own, and ride a motorcycle in blatant violation of his rookie contract, we believe that Winslow will say he didn't know that he was engaged in activities that placed his bonus money in jeopardy. And this will call into question whether his agents, Carl and Kevin Poston, properly 'splained to Winslow the relevant restrictions.

This assumes, of course, that the Postons even knew that the contract contained specific language prohibiting motorcycling, especially since they've admitted that they didn't read the contract extension signed in December 2003 by Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington.

Either way, it's likely time for Carl and Kevin Poston to assess their overall financial status, because there's a good chance they'll be asked to make a rather large contribution to the Kellen Winslow post-NFL rehabilitation fund.

elsid13 · 05-05-2005, 02:32 PM

Oh man, the kid was an idot, but it sound like he done. I wonder if he got anything out of college to fall back on.

Mile High Shack · 05-05-2005, 02:35 PM

but he's an f'n soldier...how could that happen!!!

elsid13 · 05-05-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

but he's an f'n soldier...how could that happen!!!

Because he an f'n idot too.

SoCalBronco · 05-05-2005, 02:37 PM

i hope that report isnt true. I think its just a regular ACL tear, out for the year. thats what everyone else has been reporting.

SouthStndJunkie · 05-05-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

i hope that report isnt true. I think its just a regular ACL tear, out for the year. thats what everyone else has been reporting.

I agree. He may be a dummy and should have known better, but it would be a shame for his career to end before it really started.

SSJ

RaiderH8r · 05-05-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Because he an f'n idot too.

Two great posts right in a row.

But he's an f'n soldier...
Because he's an f'n idiot too.

AWESOME...couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

This year's Ryan Leaf Award For Insurmountable Stupidity Goes To.....the f'n soldier.

Mile High Shack · 05-05-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

I agree. He may be a dummy and should have known better, but it would be a shame for his career to end before it really started.

SSJ

I dunno about that, I donâ€™t feel too sorry for himâ€¦â€¦.he shot his mouth off, acted like an idiot and did an idiot thing

He still has about 7 million dollars, I canâ€™t feel sorry for himâ€¦â€¦â€¦

Kaylore · 05-05-2005, 02:48 PM

That's really awful in a sickening way. There are so many other people that do stupid stuff and their lives are ruined that you'd have to be blind and a complete moron to try something like this. You'd think after missing a whole season and thus a bunch of money on an injury last season he would've been more careful. If he's this stupid, he wouldn't have lasted long in the NFL anyway.

SouthStndJunkie · 05-05-2005, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

Two great posts right in a row.

But he's an f'n soldier...
Because he's an f'n idiot too.

AWESOME...couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

This year's Ryan Leaf Award For Insurmountable Stupidity Goes To.....the f'n soldier.

Not sure why all the hate for Winslow. I am not a fan of his by any means, but I do not have spite for the guy. Please do not say it is because of the 'soldier' remarks. ESPN played that so many times that in got inbedded into your heads. Sure, it was an immature statement, but certainly not worthy of hate. The kid made a stupid mistake and hopped on a bike and acted like an idiot. I have a feeling most have been guilty of doing something foolish in their early 20's.

SSJ

crazyhorse · 05-05-2005, 02:49 PM

Career ending injuries aren't very funny. But that's just me.

It sounds like he was unaware the motorcycling clause was in his contract. Even then it is foolish not to know the contract perameters. Buying the bike was stupid.

Wrecking the bike is a tragedy. Reguardless who it is.

And you guys say I'm a prick.

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-05-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I dunno about that, I donâ€™t feel too sorry for himâ€¦â€¦.he shot his mouth off, acted like an idiot and did an idiot thing

He still has about 7 million dollars, I canâ€™t feel sorry for himâ€¦â€¦â€¦

Well, it's kinda sad from a football perspective. I'd rather see him either live up to his words on the field or fail on the field.

Most of these young guys are just big kids anyway.

Rock Chalk · 05-05-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Not sure why all the hate for Winslow. I am not a fan of his by any means, but I do not have spite for the guy. Please do not say it is because of the 'soldier' remarks. ESPN played that so many times that in got inbedded into your heads. Sure, it was an immature statement, but certainly not worthy of hate. The kid made a stupid mistake and hopped on a bike and acted like an idiot. I have a feeling most have been guilty of doing something foolish in their early 20's.

SSJ

How about because both him and daddy are racist then?

All the hate for mock because of his racism but its ok for the ****ing soljah because he is black?

**** that racist, I hope he dies.

Mile High Shack · 05-05-2005, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

Career ending injuries aren't very funny. But that's just me.

It sounds like he was unaware the motorcycling clause was in his contract. Even then it is foolish not to know the contract perameters. Buying the bike was stupid.

Wrecking the bike is a tragedy. Reguardless who it is.

And you guys say I'm a prick.

How is it a â€œtragedyâ€ you are being a bit dramatic arenâ€™t you?

Dude is set for life and never has to work againâ€¦and itâ€™s tragic b/c he hurt his knee? His life isnâ€™t in danger and retires at 22 as a millionaireâ€¦rough

SouthStndJunkie · 05-05-2005, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I dunno about that, I donâ€™t feel too sorry for himâ€¦â€¦.he shot his mouth off, acted like an idiot and did an idiot thing

He still has about 7 million dollars, I canâ€™t feel sorry for himâ€¦â€¦â€¦

I never said I felt sorry for him. Anytime a person does not reach his or her potential in anything it is a shame though. That holds true for playing football, school, career etc...

SSJ

Mile High Shack · 05-05-2005, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

I never said I felt sorry for him. Anytime a person does not reach his or her potential in anything it is a shame though. That holds true for playing football, school, career etc...

SSJ

He can go play football and he can have my knee and Iâ€™ll take his money

SouthStndJunkie · 05-05-2005, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

How about because both him and daddy are racist then?

All the hate for mock because of his racism but its ok for the ****ing soljah because he is black?

**** that racist, I hope he dies.

Not even worth responding to.

SSJ

SoCalBronco · 05-05-2005, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Not sure why all the hate for Winslow. I am not a fan of his by any means, but I do not have spite for the guy. Please do not say it is because of the 'soldier' remarks. ESPN played that so many times that in got inbedded into your heads. Sure, it was an immature statement, but certainly not worthy of hate. The kid made a stupid mistake and hopped on a bike and acted like an idiot. I have a feeling most have been guilty of doing something foolish in their early 20's.

SSJ

Rep.
Look he deserves to lose all that money for the upcoming season for his stupidity but i dont think he should lose his career. Oh well, the tests will decide it.

RhymesayersDU · 05-05-2005, 02:54 PM

Some of you people are freakin' idiots.

I'm sorry, but the kid says one stupid thing (as if nobody here has ever in their life said something stupid) and you guys wish him injury and all that. Get off your high horses and get a life.

With all that said, I have no compassion for Winslow OR, for that matter, Jayson Williams, the Bulls player who hurt himself bad on a motorcycle when his contract specifically said "no bikes." If you're contract says that, you gotta abide by it. If I was a Browns fan, I'd want them to take every last cent back they could, so they could spend it on other players. The Bulls organization, when Williams was done, actually bought out his contract. Morally, it was nice of them to do it, but if I was a Bulls fan, I'd be pissed they're spending that money when they could be spending it elsewhere.

If your contract says no bikes, stay off them. Hell, forget the contract. If your body is your meal ticket, don't do things that have a high risk to it, such as a motorcycle.

Mile High Shack · 05-05-2005, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Some of you people are freakin' idiots.

I'm sorry, but the kid says one stupid thing (as if nobody here has ever in their life said something stupid) and you guys wish him injury and all that. Get off your high horses and get a life.

With all that said, I have no compassion for Winslow OR, for that matter, Jayson Williams, the Bulls player who hurt himself bad on a motorcycle when his contract specifically said "no bikes." If you're contract says that, you gotta abide by it. If I was a Browns fan, I'd want them to take every last cent back they could, so they could spend it on other players. The Bulls organization, when Williams was done, actually bought out his contract. Morally, it was nice of them to do it, but if I was a Bulls fan, I'd be pissed they're spending that money when they could be spending it elsewhere.

If your contract says no bikes, stay off them. Hell, forget the contract. If your body is your meal ticket, don't do things that have a high risk to it, such as a motorcycle.

I doubt anyone is wishing him an injuryâ€¦well except Alec, but he hates everyone

SouthStndJunkie · 05-05-2005, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

He can go play football and he can have my knee and Iâ€™ll take his money

Hard to believe you never went through life and never made a mistake. If you did, I bet you paid for it....just like Winslow is right now.

Jesus H Christ, you people need to have a little compassion.

SSJ

SoCalBronco · 05-05-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

How about because both him and daddy are racist then?

All the hate for mock because of his racism but its ok for the ****ing soljah because he is black?

**** that racist, I hope he dies.

KW Sr. maybe, but how the **** is Kellen a racist? Where did you get that from?

Mile High Shack · 05-05-2005, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

Hard to believe you never went through life and never made a mistake. If you did, I bet you paid for it....just like Winslow is right now.

Jesus H Christ, you people need to have a little compassion.

SSJ

I don't have any compassion for a loud mouth jerk off with 7 million in his bank account

what a freakin' tragedy

now if he had a life threatening injury or was severly damaged, yeah I would then

but he has a torn acl and will live a normal life

BroncoInferno · 05-05-2005, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

KW Sr. maybe, but how the **** is Kellen a racist? Where did you get that from?

What did SR. do that was racist? I'm not saying he hasn't made any such comments, I'm just curious what they were. I'd never heard that.

SouthStndJunkie · 05-05-2005, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I don't have any compassion for a loud mouth jerk off with 7 million in his bank account

what a freakin' tragedy

now if he had a life threatening injury or was severly damaged, yeah I would then

but he has a torn acl and will live a normal life

The guy has been in the hospital for several days....he is hurt pretty badly. They don't keep you in the hospital for several days anymore unless you are hurt pretty bad.

SSJ

05-05-2005, 02:23 PM	#1
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,501 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Winslow update: right knee "ruined"? POSTED 1:43 p.m. EDT, May 5, 2005 BROWNS TO PURSUE WINSLOW BONUS? We're picking up preliminary indications that the Browns "definitely" will attempt, eventually, to recoup a portion of the signing bonus paid to tight end Kellen Winslow for riding a motorcycle in breach of his contract. The organization, we're told, feels badly for Winslow, and Winslow and his father, the Chargers Hall of Famer of the same name, are "devastated." Thus, the Browns are unlikely to pursue the full amount of their potential contractual recovery. But as one league insider explained to us, the Browns need to do something in order to discourage the next guy browsing for crotch rockets to think twice. Our prediction is that the Browns will offer to resolve the situation by retaining $2 million-plus due to Winslow on July 15 as the final installment of his $4.4 million option bonus. Under the terms of his contract, the team can seek to recover up to $9.4 million, and it looks to be an open-and-shut case. As to the injuries Winslow suffered as a result of Sunday's accident, we're told that there's a "good chance" that Winslow's right knee is "ruined." No diagnosis is possible until the swelling subsides, and the fact that the swelling has been so extreme for so long suggests that there's a very serious problem with the joint. For now, the Browns most likely will continue to lay low as to the money issue. It looks like, however, something will happen before owner Randy Lerner is due to write another check to K2 with seven zeroes in July. If and/or when it's time for Winslow to answer for his decision to buy, own, and ride a motorcycle in blatant violation of his rookie contract, we believe that Winslow will say he didn't know that he was engaged in activities that placed his bonus money in jeopardy. And this will call into question whether his agents, Carl and Kevin Poston, properly 'splained to Winslow the relevant restrictions. This assumes, of course, that the Postons even knew that the contract contained specific language prohibiting motorcycling, especially since they've admitted that they didn't read the contract extension signed in December 2003 by Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington. Either way, it's likely time for Carl and Kevin Poston to assess their overall financial status, because there's a good chance they'll be asked to make a rather large contribution to the Kellen Winslow post-NFL rehabilitation fund. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,501 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	i hope that report isnt true. I think its just a regular ACL tear, out for the year. thats what everyone else has been reporting. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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