Skins shell out too much cash again, extend Moss - The Orange Mane

Hercules Rockefeller · 05-04-2005, 04:33 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2053347

Speedy wide receiver Santana Moss, the veteran on whom the Washington Redskins are counting to add some big-play dimension to their anemic passing attack of last season on Wednesday reached a contract extension with the club, ESPN.com has learned.

Moss was officially acquired from the New York Jets on March 9 in a swap of unhappy wide receivers, with Laveranues Coles going to the Jets, the team that originally brought him into the league. The trade had been discussed by the Redskins and Jets for two weeks before it was finally consummated, and then was delayed several more days because the two players had to pass physical examinations.

The six-year extension, negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus and scheduled to be signed on Thursday, is worth $31 million. But the sixth-year of the deal will void if Moss merely reaches minimum playing time levels, and so the five-year value of the add-on is $26.55 million. The deal includes $11 million in combined signing and option bonuses, paid out over two years.

The four-year veteran was entering the final season of his original NFL contract and he was scheduled to have a base salary of $540,000 for the 2005 season.

Rosenhaus and Redskins officials have been working on the extension since the trade was completed. But with the draft, and Washington having to clear salary cap space to finish the deal, it took more than a month to complete.

There was never any doubt that, once the trade was consummated, the two sides would strike an extension agreement, just as Coles did with the Jets. While negotiations dragged on, though, Moss stayed away from the Redskins' offseason training program. He will report on Wednesday evening to the team and begin participating in the workouts as early as Thursday, Rosenhaus confirmed.

"Everyone worked hard, first of all, to get the trade finished, and then to complete this (extension)," Rosenhaus said before boarding a flight back to his Miami base. "Santana is excited to be with the Redskins and, obviously, he is a player that Washington wanted in its offense. Hopefully, this contract with spark some movement with some other wide receivers in the league."

Rosenhaus represents several other prominent receivers, such as Philadelphia's Terrell Owens and Javon Walker of Green Bay, who are seeking to upgrade their contracts.

Moss, 25, was the Jets' first-round choice in the 2001 draft. The former University of Miami star, who possesses great quickness, has 151 catches for 2,416 yards and 19 touchdowns in 51 appearances.

He has been hampered at times by hamstring and knee injuries but, when healthy, is an explosive performer, as reflected in a career average of 16.0 yards per catch and one touchdown every 7.9 receptions. Of his 151 catches, 106 have resulted in first downs or touchdowns. Moss' best season came in 2003, when he posted 74 receptions for 1,105 yards and 10 scores.

The four-year veteran is also a playmaker on special teams and has averaged 11.9 yards and scored two touchdowns on 88 career punt returns.

Certainly the Washington passing game, statistically the NFL's fourth-least productive in 2004, can use a receiver of Moss' potential. The Redskins, stymied in part by an archaic design that featured a lot of "maximum" protections and only two receivers in the pattern, averaged a paltry 5.36 yards per pass play last season, and 10.96 yards per completion. Both those numbers were second-lowest in the league.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Hercules Rockefeller · 05-04-2005, 04:37 PM

2400 yds in a 4 year career is worth $10+M in signing and option bonuses?

Denver's going to have a hell of a time re-signing Ashley in 2 years when the Skins hand out ****ty deals like this.

Santana, 4 years:
151 2416 16.0 69 19

Ashley, 3 years:
126 2237 17.8 60 11

I'd be willing to bet a healthy Ashley will surpass Santana's 4 year totals during this season

Atlas · 05-04-2005, 04:39 PM

Coles is a much better WR.... Damn guess what kind of Money Lelie will be looking for...

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-04-2005, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

2400 yds in a 4 year career is worth $10+M in signing and option bonuses?

Denver's going to have a hell of a time re-signing Ashley in 2 years when the Skins hand out ****ty deals like this.

Santana, 4 years:
151 2416 16.0 69 19

Ashley, 3 years:
126 2237 17.8 60 11

I'd be willing to bet a healthy Ashley will have surpassed Santana's 4 year totals during this season

Maybe, but Moss has been injured some and missed games. He is a darn good receiver but if you don't have anyone that can get you the ball then that doesn't mean a whole lot.

SoCalBronco · 05-04-2005, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

2400 yds in a 4 year career is worth $10+M in signing and option bonuses?

Denver's going to have a hell of a time re-signing Ashley in 2 years when the Skins hand out ****ty deals like this.

Santana, 4 years:
151 2416 16.0 69 19

Ashley, 3 years:
126 2237 17.8 60 11

I'd be willing to bet a healthy Ashley will have surpassed Santana's 4 year totals during this season

In a sense i agree with you Herc, about the bonus but with this offseason the 10 million bonus threshold doesnt seem to be alot anymore. Wasnt there a corner out there who was just sorta above average who got 13 million up front? Moss is a very good deep WR, who Hackett stymied this year. He had a great year in 03. Washington should make a concerted effort to use him better. You are prolly right about Ash. In fact, if he progresses as i think he will and goes for 65 for 1300, its going to be rough to hold onto him. He still has 2 more years on his deal. I really, really, really do not want to lose the guy. I think the team is preparing their cap slot for him.

labronx · 05-04-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

2400 yds in a 4 year career is worth $10+M in signing and option bonuses?

Denver's going to have a hell of a time re-signing Ashley in 2 years when the Skins hand out ****ty deals like this.

Santana, 4 years:
151 2416 16.0 69 19

Ashley, 3 years:
126 2237 17.8 60 11

I'd be willing to bet a healthy Ashley will surpass Santana's 4 year totals during this season

I guess this is payback for trading us their #1. They freakin raised the bar again on player contracts!!

sh*t this is ridiculous

Kaylore · 05-04-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

Coles is a much better WR.... Damn guess what kind of Money Lelie will be looking for...

Who's Lelie's agent.

scttgrd · 05-04-2005, 04:54 PM

Man, the Redskins overpaid for Moss. I guess Rosenhaus strikes again. And as others have stated, Lelie is going to want his. I just hope he doesen't get any ideas to hire Rosenhaus to get it for him.

SoCalBronco · 05-04-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Who's Lelie's agent.

Dont worry its not Rosenhaus, i think its Octagon Inc. or something like that. It doesnt really matter, the market will dictate the price.

SoCalBronco · 05-04-2005, 04:56 PM

Herc, isnt it true the next few years our cap shape is going to look pretty good? If thats the case and we dont hold onto Walls, i dont think we will have a problem signing Ash.

Hercules Rockefeller · 05-04-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Herc, isnt it true the next few years our cap shape is going to look pretty good? If thats the case and we dont hold onto Walls, i dont think we will have a problem signing Ash.

It depends on how much accelerates for Nalen after this season since his deal voids, and they still have got to get Pryce off the cap. Nalen's restructured too many times to really get a feel for how much unamortized bonus money is out there. Pryce's cap figure is back at around $10M again next year. That's going to be almost 10% of the cap on one guy who isn't an upper echelon lineman anymore.

The cap should get better and better though. After next season, they'll be down to Jake and Rod as the two older players on big deals.

Kaylore · 05-04-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Dont worry its not Rosenhaus, i think its Octagon Inc. or something like that. It doesnt really matter, the market will dictate the price.

That's fine. I don't mind dealing out money for Lelie, he looks like he's going to be even better this year. I just don't want to contribute to Satan or the Postons' income in any way. Not to mention their holdout crap they always pull.

sirhcyennek81 · 05-04-2005, 05:30 PM

difference being, Lelie will be worth a 10 million signing bonus, and Moss is not. I dont think ashley will ask for that, so its not a problem, because his contract is not up. Redskins overpaid a player who was not worth the 540k he was getting in the first place.

Rascal · 05-04-2005, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

It depends on how much accelerates for Nalen after this season since his deal voids, and they still have got to get Pryce off the cap. Nalen's restructured too many times to really get a feel for how much unamortized bonus money is out there. Pryce's cap figure is back at around $10M again next year. That's going to be almost 10% of the cap on one guy who isn't an upper echelon lineman anymore.

The cap should get better and better though. After next season, they'll be down to Jake and Rod as the two older players on big deals.

What can they do with Pryce's contract to get the number down?

What about Wilson's contract?

Atlas · 05-04-2005, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rascal

What can they do with Pryce's contract to get the number down?

What about Wilson's contract?

As long as Pryce is willing they can redo it again next year.

Rascal · 05-04-2005, 07:58 PM

Hopefully they talk to him so we don't have a repeat of this again next year. Not to mention if Warren has a decent year we will probably want to resign him and then there is the option of Browns contract which has a 8 mil signing bonus I think.

SoCalBronco · 05-04-2005, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

As long as Pryce is willing they can redo it again next year.

I suspect Denver has already planned that if he has a huge year they can trade him for that 1st they wanted this year. If he is okay, they will still deal him unless he continues to take a huge straight pay cut. If he is okay he wont, so he will be gone for a mid 1st day pick. If he is average to poor, Denver will just flat out dump him without the worry of Oak or KC picking him up.

Sodak · 05-04-2005, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

As long as Pryce is willing they can redo it again next year.

Pryce will be playing to prove himself this year. He jumped into the FA maket and came out like a dead fish. Hopefully, he is more realistic about his value next year.

Sodak · 05-04-2005, 10:24 PM

Right. What he said...

Broncoman13 · 05-04-2005, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

2400 yds in a 4 year career is worth $10+M in signing and option bonuses?

Denver's going to have a hell of a time re-signing Ashley in 2 years when the Skins hand out ****ty deals like this.

Santana, 4 years:
151 2416 16.0 69 19

Ashley, 3 years:
126 2237 17.8 60 11

I'd be willing to bet a healthy Ashley will surpass Santana's 4 year totals during this season

I don't think he'll have a problem with the 8 TD's or having a 70 yard TD reception, but getting the 200 yards and 30 catches to surpass Santana may be hard to come by!!!!!!!!!

SoCalBronco · 05-04-2005, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco Man 13

I don't think he'll have a problem with the 8 TD's or having a 70 yard TD reception, but getting the 200 yards and 30 catches to surpass Santana may be hard to come by!!!!!!!!!

How so BMan? He has a whole year to equal it? He will have 30 catches at the mid point of the season and 200 yards after 2.5 games. I see Lelie going for 65/1300 this year. Heck he was at 1100 this season, if the passes were a little more accurate he would have been at 1300 this year. I remember at least 5 huge plays where he was wide open the ball was thrown way, way behind or out of bounds, 3 of them in the first san diego game.

ozomulsion · 05-04-2005, 11:07 PM

I'm guessing it was sarcasm.

SoCalBronco · 05-04-2005, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozomulsion

I'm guessing it was sarcasm.

Your right. I didnt even see it. Its obvious now that i look at it. My bad, cant believe i didnt see that.

Hell, even Luke is going to get 20/300 this year.

Bronco LB 59 · 05-05-2005, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Wasnt there a corner out there who was just sorta above average who got 13 million up front?

I don't know who are you talking about, but I think this signing was one of the worst of the offseason.

Anthony Henry got a $10 million signing bonus for signing with the Cowboys. Plus, he negotiated two $1 million roster bonuses plus a base 5 year, $25 million contract.

SoCalBronco · 05-05-2005, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

I don't know who are you talking about, but I think this signing was one of the worst of the offseason.

Anthony Henry got a $10 million signing bonus for signing with the Cowboys. Plus, he negotiated two $1 million roster bonuses plus a base 5 year, $25 million contract.

thanks 52, i think thats who i may have been referring to. If Henry is getting 10 up front, its going to cost alot the next few years to lock up our young talent.

05-04-2005, 04:37 PM	#2
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,013 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	2400 yds in a 4 year career is worth $10+M in signing and option bonuses? Denver's going to have a hell of a time re-signing Ashley in 2 years when the Skins hand out ***ty deals like this. Santana, 4 years: 151 2416 16.0 69 19 Ashley, 3 years: 126 2237 17.8 60 11 I'd be willing to bet a healthy Ashley will surpass Santana's 4 year totals during this season Last edited by Hercules Rockefeller; 05-04-2005 at 04:41 PM..*

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scttgrd Just treading water Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Aurora Posts: 1,288 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brandon Mashall	Overpaid Man, the Redskins overpaid for Moss. I guess Rosenhaus strikes again. And as others have stated, Lelie is going to want his. I just hope he doesen't get any ideas to hire Rosenhaus to get it for him.

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05-04-2005, 04:33 PM	#1
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,013 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Skins shell out too much cash again, extend Moss http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2053347 Speedy wide receiver Santana Moss, the veteran on whom the Washington Redskins are counting to add some big-play dimension to their anemic passing attack of last season on Wednesday reached a contract extension with the club, ESPN.com has learned. Moss was officially acquired from the New York Jets on March 9 in a swap of unhappy wide receivers, with Laveranues Coles going to the Jets, the team that originally brought him into the league. The trade had been discussed by the Redskins and Jets for two weeks before it was finally consummated, and then was delayed several more days because the two players had to pass physical examinations. The six-year extension, negotiated by agent Drew Rosenhaus and scheduled to be signed on Thursday, is worth $31 million. But the sixth-year of the deal will void if Moss merely reaches minimum playing time levels, and so the five-year value of the add-on is $26.55 million. The deal includes $11 million in combined signing and option bonuses, paid out over two years. The four-year veteran was entering the final season of his original NFL contract and he was scheduled to have a base salary of $540,000 for the 2005 season. Rosenhaus and Redskins officials have been working on the extension since the trade was completed. But with the draft, and Washington having to clear salary cap space to finish the deal, it took more than a month to complete. There was never any doubt that, once the trade was consummated, the two sides would strike an extension agreement, just as Coles did with the Jets. While negotiations dragged on, though, Moss stayed away from the Redskins' offseason training program. He will report on Wednesday evening to the team and begin participating in the workouts as early as Thursday, Rosenhaus confirmed. "Everyone worked hard, first of all, to get the trade finished, and then to complete this (extension)," Rosenhaus said before boarding a flight back to his Miami base. "Santana is excited to be with the Redskins and, obviously, he is a player that Washington wanted in its offense. Hopefully, this contract with spark some movement with some other wide receivers in the league." Rosenhaus represents several other prominent receivers, such as Philadelphia's Terrell Owens and Javon Walker of Green Bay, who are seeking to upgrade their contracts. Moss, 25, was the Jets' first-round choice in the 2001 draft. The former University of Miami star, who possesses great quickness, has 151 catches for 2,416 yards and 19 touchdowns in 51 appearances. He has been hampered at times by hamstring and knee injuries but, when healthy, is an explosive performer, as reflected in a career average of 16.0 yards per catch and one touchdown every 7.9 receptions. Of his 151 catches, 106 have resulted in first downs or touchdowns. Moss' best season came in 2003, when he posted 74 receptions for 1,105 yards and 10 scores. The four-year veteran is also a playmaker on special teams and has averaged 11.9 yards and scored two touchdowns on 88 career punt returns. Certainly the Washington passing game, statistically the NFL's fourth-least productive in 2004, can use a receiver of Moss' potential. The Redskins, stymied in part by an archaic design that featured a lot of "maximum" protections and only two receivers in the pattern, averaged a paltry 5.36 yards per pass play last season, and 10.96 yards per completion. Both those numbers were second-lowest in the league. Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

05-04-2005, 04:39 PM	#3
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Coles is a much better WR.... Damn guess what kind of Money Lelie will be looking for...

05-04-2005, 05:30 PM	#13
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,768 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	difference being, Lelie will be worth a 10 million signing bonus, and Moss is not. I dont think ashley will ask for that, so its not a problem, because his contract is not up. Redskins overpaid a player who was not worth the 540k he was getting in the first place.

05-04-2005, 07:58 PM	#16
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Hopefully they talk to him so we don't have a repeat of this again next year. Not to mention if Warren has a decent year we will probably want to resign him and then there is the option of Browns contract which has a 8 mil signing bonus I think.

05-04-2005, 10:24 PM	#19
Sodak Clueless... Who stole my avatar? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Black Hills of Dakota Posts: 3,080	Right. What he said...

05-04-2005, 11:07 PM	#22
ozomulsion Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: The ladies man.	I'm guessing it was sarcasm.