Favre utterly dismantles Javon Walker... Publically... (Rosenhouse involved) - The Orange Mane

Taco John · 05-04-2005, 01:18 PM

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8:37 p.m. EDT, May 3, 2005

FAVRE TAKES JAB AT JAVON

In 2001, Packers quarterback Brett Favre took verbal shots at an NFC North receiver wearing jersey number 84 because said pass-catcher admitted that he plays only when he wants to.

Now, Favre is taking aim at another division wideout who wears No. 84 -- the only difference is that this guy is on Favre's team.

According the The Green Bay Press-Gazette, Favre is taking issue with the decision of teammate Javon Walker to skip a recent mandatory minicamp because of displeasure with his contract.

"If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I’d tell him he’s going about this the wrong way," Favre said. "When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I’d tell him I’ve been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you."

Ouch.

"I would’ve never thought it would be a guy like Javon,” Favre added. "I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don’t."

Double ouch.

"Nowadays you're seeing more and more guys pulling that stunt," he said. "If guys continue to do that and are successful getting away with it, then I’ll be gone, but I think the game will be ruined. My reaction to Javon’s situation was 'Here we go again.'"

Triple ouch.

"Maybe I’m old-school, but I always thought you honor a contract. Sure, sometimes guys pass you up in salary, and maybe it’s a lesser player, but it’s all based on what a team has as far as value in that person."

We've-lost-count ouch.

"I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him," Favre said. "I don’t sit up in the front office, and I don’t talk to them — regardless of what people might think — and tell them who to draft and who not to draft. They don’t ask me, and it’s not my job. My job is to throw passes and be a leader.

"That’s why I decided to speak up. I need to be a leader and even though I may not like having to do it, I think some things needed to be said."

So does Favre worry about not having Walker in what could be Brett's final season? Nope.

“I’d just as soon go without him. He’s a great player. I think he can help us. He’s likeable and easy to get along with, but I’m guessing he’s getting the wrong advice, and he’s buying into that."

Coincidentally, Favre made similar comments nearly a year ago after then-Packers cornerback Mike McKenzie skipped a minicamp for reasons identical to Walker's 2005 absence.

"When you sign a contract, you sign a contract," Favre said of McKenzie. "We all make a lot of money, and sometimes it doesn’t seem fair when other guys make more who you know you’re better than. But that’s the way this business works. As bad as that may seem at times, it will work itself out. I hope he realizes that, because he’ll hurt our football team if he’s away, and he’ll really help our team when he’s here. So we need him back."

McKenzie ultimately hired in 2004 the same guy who represents Walker this time around -- Drew Rosenhaus. And Walker is one of several Rosenhaus clients who are expressing their displeasure with their contracts by staying away from mandatory offseason workouts and involuntary voluntary sessions.

Taco John · 05-04-2005, 01:20 PM

"I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him," Favre said.

That's so excellent! When's the last time you saw a player comment on another player's contract dealings like that?

REFRESHING!

Jason in LA · 05-04-2005, 01:22 PM

I guess the owners aren't old school like Farve.

Pezman · 05-04-2005, 01:24 PM

The real shame is that Walker is such an elite wideout and the real key to that teams production between the 20 yard lines.

But, based on Donald Driver's good numbers last year, especially in the latter half of the year, I'm sure that Walker will have to step up if he expects to continue to be the favorite target of Favre.

Master___Pain · 05-04-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

"I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him," Favre said.

That's so excellent! When's the last time you saw a player comment on another player's contract dealings like that?

REFRESHING!

The thing that is so surprising to me is that this is not a Drew Rosenhaus client............oh wait.............I can apprecaite 77OlineDad's takes on Drew, but I think he's the devil.

Mile High Shack · 05-04-2005, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

"I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him," Favre said.

That's so excellent! When's the last time you saw a player comment on another player's contract dealings like that?

REFRESHING!

I thought you were all for players holding out to get more money?

RaiderH8r · 05-04-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

"I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him," Favre said.

That's so excellent! When's the last time you saw a player comment on another player's contract dealings like that?

REFRESHING!

I agree, but I fear their front office will fold like a cheap lawn chair, buckle like a belt, and other such sayings.

If he comes back I suspect Favre hangs him out on a few though.

labronx · 05-04-2005, 01:30 PM

I Love the way the NFL is heading.
Give it a couple and it will be worse than the NBA or MLB

Rascal · 05-04-2005, 01:43 PM

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yavoon · 05-04-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason in LA

I guess the owners aren't old school like Farve.

well played.

Master___Pain · 05-04-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

This thing is SSSLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

It took me 15 minutes to get this page loaded.

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It's been much better speed wise for me with the new server. Weird.

Mile High Shack · 05-04-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Master___Pain

It's been much better speed wise for me with the new server. Weird.

me 2!!

Rascal · 05-04-2005, 01:49 PM

It takes like 3 minutes for each page to load. The other server was faster.

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TheNextStep · 05-04-2005, 01:51 PM

I agree with what Brett Favre has to say... but I also think he needs to shut the **** up about it.

You hear it from every clubhouse: A player doesn't mess with another player's wallet.

When all of this is over, Javon Walker (who is still playing his rookie contract) comes back into the lockerroom and says, "Sorry guys, I was just trying to get paid" and everybody in that lockerroom understands because they all want to get paid too.

Brett Favre (who is set for life) walks into the lockerroom and says what, exactly? Is Brett a player or is he management?

Again, I don't disagree with what Brett's saying... I just think it's pretty damned stupid to be saying in the public domain. You mean to tell me Brett can't find Javon's phone number somewhere?

ozomulsion · 05-04-2005, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

"I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him," Favre said.

That's so excellent! When's the last time you saw a player comment on another player's contract dealings like that?

REFRESHING!

Isn't this coming from the guy who almost single handedly eliminated his team from the playoffs last year? I've never disliked anything Favre has done before but he played the jackass on this one. Javon deserves the money.

eddie mac · 05-04-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNextStep

I agree with what Brett Favre has to say... but I also think he needs to shut the **** up about it.

You hear it from every clubhouse: A player doesn't mess with another player's wallet.

When all of this is over, Javon Walker (who is still playing his rookie contract) comes back into the lockerroom and says, "Sorry guys, I was just trying to get paid" and everybody in that lockerroom understands because they all want to get paid too.

Brett Favre (who is set for life) walks into the lockerroom and says what, exactly? Is Brett a player or is he management?

Again, I don't disagree with what Brett's saying... I just think it's pretty damned stupid to be saying in the public domain. You mean to tell me Brett can't find Javon's phone number somewhere?

Maybe he's looking to go into the management side of the game TNS.

Taco John · 05-04-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

I thought you were all for players holding out to get more money?

I'm also for players policing themselves too. It's a complex issue. I think there is a time to ask for a raise, and a time to bear down and earn it. I like that Favre is stepping up saying, "bear down and earn it." That's rare leadership.

2KBack · 05-04-2005, 02:29 PM

I like that Brett went and said this, he loves the game, and doesn't want to see it ruined. How can anyone say that one person or another DESERVES to get paid like that. What good is a contract, if when you sign it you are under the impression that you'll probably hold out for more later? These guys are getting rich playing a game. Yes, Farve is set for life, but he has never held out. He has always honored his contracts. If you are good, you'll get paid accordingly when the time comes.

yavoon · 05-04-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

I like that Brett went and said this, he loves the game, and doesn't want to see it ruined. How can anyone say that one person or another DESERVES to get paid like that. What good is a contract, if when you sign it you are under the impression that you'll probably hold out for more later? These guys are getting rich playing a game. Yes, Farve is set for life, but he has never held out. He has always honored his contracts. If you are good, you'll get paid accordingly when the time comes.

what good is a contract if the team can just end it anytime they please?

2KBack · 05-04-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

what good is a contract if the team can just end it anytime they please?

I'm not a fan of that reality either, but it would take a smarter person than I to come up with a better system. Still doesn't mean I have to like the current trend of holding out every 2 years. I'm with Farve and TJ on this one, earn your money.

at the same time, if you are good enough (or think you are) to warrant a hold out, even if you get cut, someone will pay you. Come to think of it, that's a pretty crappy precedence too.

yavoon · 05-04-2005, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2KBack

I'm not a fan of that reality either, but it would take a smarter person than I to come up with a better system. Still doesn't mean I have to like the current trend of holding out every 2 years. I'm with Farve and TJ on this one, earn your money.

at the same time, if you are good enough (or think you are) to warrant a hold out, even if you get cut, someone will pay you. Come to think of it, that's a pretty crappy precedence too.

if u dont get so worked up over it it wont be so bad. a lot of this is posturing and probing, testing the waters things like that.

Atlas · 05-04-2005, 02:43 PM

Drew Rosenholdout strikes again

Mile High Shack · 05-04-2005, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

Drew Rosenholdout strikes again

that's my beef with this slimeball

seems like EVERY one of his top tier clients holds out

Sir Mawn · 05-04-2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

that's my beef with this slimeball

seems like EVERY one of his top tier clients holds out

and he gets away with it.

Atlas · 05-04-2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

that's my beef with this slimeball

seems like EVERY one of his top tier clients holds out

That's what he does. When a guy wants a new contract he goes out and hires a man with no principles or scruples.

05-04-2005, 01:18 PM	#1
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Favre utterly dismantles Javon Walker... Publically... (Rosenhouse involved) www.profootballtalk.com 8:37 p.m. EDT, May 3, 2005 FAVRE TAKES JAB AT JAVON In 2001, Packers quarterback Brett Favre took verbal shots at an NFC North receiver wearing jersey number 84 because said pass-catcher admitted that he plays only when he wants to. Now, Favre is taking aim at another division wideout who wears No. 84 -- the only difference is that this guy is on Favre's team. According the The Green Bay Press-Gazette, Favre is taking issue with the decision of teammate Javon Walker to skip a recent mandatory minicamp because of displeasure with his contract. "If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I’d tell him he’s going about this the wrong way," Favre said. "When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I’d tell him I’ve been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you." Ouch. "I would’ve never thought it would be a guy like Javon,” Favre added. "I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don’t." Double ouch. "Nowadays you're seeing more and more guys pulling that stunt," he said. "If guys continue to do that and are successful getting away with it, then I’ll be gone, but I think the game will be ruined. My reaction to Javon’s situation was 'Here we go again.'" Triple ouch. "Maybe I’m old-school, but I always thought you honor a contract. Sure, sometimes guys pass you up in salary, and maybe it’s a lesser player, but it’s all based on what a team has as far as value in that person." We've-lost-count ouch. "I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him," Favre said. "I don’t sit up in the front office, and I don’t talk to them — regardless of what people might think — and tell them who to draft and who not to draft. They don’t ask me, and it’s not my job. My job is to throw passes and be a leader. "That’s why I decided to speak up. I need to be a leader and even though I may not like having to do it, I think some things needed to be said." So does Favre worry about not having Walker in what could be Brett's final season? Nope. “I’d just as soon go without him. He’s a great player. I think he can help us. He’s likeable and easy to get along with, but I’m guessing he’s getting the wrong advice, and he’s buying into that." Coincidentally, Favre made similar comments nearly a year ago after then-Packers cornerback Mike McKenzie skipped a minicamp for reasons identical to Walker's 2005 absence. "When you sign a contract, you sign a contract," Favre said of McKenzie. "We all make a lot of money, and sometimes it doesn’t seem fair when other guys make more who you know you’re better than. But that’s the way this business works. As bad as that may seem at times, it will work itself out. I hope he realizes that, because he’ll hurt our football team if he’s away, and he’ll really help our team when he’s here. So we need him back." McKenzie ultimately hired in 2004 the same guy who represents Walker this time around -- Drew Rosenhaus. And Walker is one of several Rosenhaus clients who are expressing their displeasure with their contracts by staying away from mandatory offseason workouts and involuntary voluntary sessions.

05-04-2005, 01:24 PM	#4
Pezman Livin the dream Andy did you hear about this one? Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Smoggy SoCal Posts: 9,833 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	The real shame is that Walker is such an elite wideout and the real key to that teams production between the 20 yard lines. But, based on Donald Driver's good numbers last year, especially in the latter half of the year, I'm sure that Walker will have to step up if he expects to continue to be the favorite target of Favre. __________________ Sitting on a beach, earning 20%

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05-04-2005, 01:20 PM	#2
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	"I sure hope the Packers don’t give in to him," Favre said. That's so excellent! When's the last time you saw a player comment on another player's contract dealings like that? REFRESHING!

05-04-2005, 01:22 PM	#3
Jason in LA Gimmie that rep fool! Speaking of Butts & Boob Mojo Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LA Posts: 12,254	I guess the owners aren't old school like Farve.

05-04-2005, 01:30 PM	#8
labronx Fluid Hips Astronomy, Math, Medicine & Music Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The San Fernando Valley (5th largest city in the country!) Posts: 1,958	I Love the way the NFL is heading. Give it a couple and it will be worse than the NBA or MLB

05-04-2005, 01:43 PM	#9
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	This thing is SSSLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! It took me 15 minutes to get this page loaded. Yes I cleared my cookies and I deleted everything else.

05-04-2005, 01:49 PM	#13
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	It takes like 3 minutes for each page to load. The other server was faster. I'm on a T3 server I think.

05-04-2005, 01:51 PM	#14
TheNextStep The Enemy Within Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,814	I agree with what Brett Favre has to say... but I also think he needs to shut the **** up about it. You hear it from every clubhouse: A player doesn't mess with another player's wallet. When all of this is over, Javon Walker (who is still playing his rookie contract) comes back into the lockerroom and says, "Sorry guys, I was just trying to get paid" and everybody in that lockerroom understands because they all want to get paid too. Brett Favre (who is set for life) walks into the lockerroom and says what, exactly? Is Brett a player or is he management? Again, I don't disagree with what Brett's saying... I just think it's pretty damned stupid to be saying in the public domain. You mean to tell me Brett can't find Javon's phone number somewhere?

05-04-2005, 02:29 PM	#18
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,283	I like that Brett went and said this, he loves the game, and doesn't want to see it ruined. How can anyone say that one person or another DESERVES to get paid like that. What good is a contract, if when you sign it you are under the impression that you'll probably hold out for more later? These guys are getting rich playing a game. Yes, Farve is set for life, but he has never held out. He has always honored his contracts. If you are good, you'll get paid accordingly when the time comes.

05-04-2005, 02:43 PM	#22
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Drew Rosenholdout strikes again