Jake Plummer gets his wish, Denver goes offense in the draft

[watermock]

Who can ever forget the cast Griese had to throw to when we went 5 wide.

I sure can. It seems years ago.

We had things like Chris Cole and Billy Miller spread out with Rod Smith hobbling around on two broken legs. Portis hadn't been drafted yet, and we didn't have a great running game that year.

Griese would constantly turtle under pressure and looked terrible. The Oakland game ran him out of Denver.

Ah, the sweet memories....

[Taco John]

People want to complain about not having any red zone threats, and then whine to me about being harder on Plummer than I was on Brian?

I welcome my status as a pariah on the Brian Griese issue. Still, to this day, I think it would have been a different story if we hadn't destroyed his confidence by starting our back-up center as a left tackle. That's the perils of the "always re-tooling, never re-building" philosophy. Sometimes you just have to go with whatever you've got in the tool box. But people shouldn't complain to me about being inconsistent on Jake and Brian, when it's abundantly clear that Jake has more to work with than Brian could have ever dreamed (post-new-contract).

I get it... Brian was gutless and all of that... He didn't start out that way though. It got beat into him.

[HEAV]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I'm glad we have him as a caretaker, but I'll be happy when we find someone with a steadier hand...

My statement of (Blaming Jake) goes back to the thread you started after the season and your photo of Jake as the boulder sinking this team.

My point is many, including you TJ have stated "This season is on Plummer's shoulders". You make that statement and it sounds like Jake needs to be perfect!

As far as talent. Brian had TD, Rod, Sharpe and Eddie in their prime! Hell Brian was handed a Super Bowl team! The only freaking change was at QB!

TD was ruined by tryign to make a tackle on a Greise Int. Eddie was done in on a floater by Brian. Even with them out Denver managed to give Brian a running game and Rod was Rod. The line looked bad thanks to Brian holding onto it for too long and his lack of mobilty. Also maybe if Brian wasn't an alcoholic he may have become a better QB in Denver. He was a robot with no heart and no ability to create a play when the plan broke down so did Brian.

It's the mobilty of Jake that makes the current line look good. But when Jake's not under center this line is average at pass protection.

You want more point in the redzone. Tell Shanny to stop the cute stuff and run the damn ball. Screw the zone blocking and lay a helmet on a helmet and move people.

Since we all know Jakes weakness then wouldn't it be better to build on his strentgh? At the same time not give him the option to change plays, like the play you talk about vs the Chargers, that way he's less likely to put himself and the team in tough spots.

If Coach would put a real D-line out there, and stop the re-tooling/patch work of retreads and past beens, maybe the defense would be in the top 10 in sacks and turnovers. Because being top 10 in total defense hasn't ment crap the past few years. Trading away a scoring threat (Portis) for a shut down corner, only to have the NFL make the rules set that a shutdown corner is non-existint was a back fire.

Point of Mocks thread was and still is Jake was told, like many others, something that was to take place, yet in the end he looks like the guy with egg on his face. This offseason Sund. and Jake have come out in the media and said "Coach say's this" Only to have coach has a change of mind and then the fans are like "WTF".

This entire off season. From the Big surprise!,the 3-4 to 4-3, to Trev's release,to deciding to trade/sign the Browns line, to leaning on letting both Putz and Cooper go then bringing them back, his chase of Garcia, to drafting offense (Clarett). Mike as grown really flaky this year.


My admiration for Jake is well known. I don't hide or excuse all of his errors, but still it's a team game. Watts, Jeb, Bell all drop TD this past year. Ash was here one game gon the next. The Defense blew a 14 point lead vs the Raiders. Every prime time game, excluding the home opener, Bailey was more chump then champ. The leading sacker of the team left for the second straight year in a row!

So to say it's all on Jakes shoulder's is crazy. Jake needs to play better. But so does the defense and the receivers and backs. Hell even coach needs to prepare this team better and game plan better.