Mayday! Broncos Draft Up in Smoke - The Orange Mane

PatsWin2002 · 04-20-2005, 01:13 PM

Sorry....I don't make the headlines.

http://broncos.scout.com/2/371860.html

Mayday! Broncos Draft Up in Smoke
By Sam DeWitt Broncos Update Columnist
Date: Apr 20, 2005

The more things change, the more they stay the same, at least according to Broncos Update Columnist Sam DeWitt.
It all seemed so promising. A draft stocked with talent. A reasonable first round pick. Needs that could have been met.

The lesson: When Mike Shanahan says, “I will turn this car around,” he means it.

Apparently the only way to save this franchise is to burn it to the ground.

I’ve never been the sharpest pencil in the box, but let’s just be crystal clear on this one; the Broncos trade their first round pick this year for Washington’s first round pick next year, evidently hoping and wishing that the Redskins continue their run of mediocrity (now in it’s award-winning 5th straight year) for one more season so Denver can collect a high first-rounder. What I don’t understand is how this helps us improve now. Why not trade corner Lenny Walls and a shoulder injury to be named later to the ‘Skins for this year’s first-round pick, at number nine? That pick is likely to be Adam “Pacman” Jones from West Virginia, also known as the Best Shutdown Corner in the Draft.

The Bronco Brain Trust (if they can still be called that) claims that this was a great move, stopping just short of saying they put one over on the Redskins. Are you looking for a congratulatory handshake? Putting one over on Washington is like hitting a blind man in the back of the head. With a hammer.

"I'm very excited about this trade; our guys did a great job," Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said Tuesday. "Everything is falling into place. We (restructured) Trevor Pryce, added more to the defensive front and now we made this deal."

Remind me again how picking up one of the worst defensive lines in the league, then following up that move by trading our one first round pick away is an improvement? Ted Sundquist?

"We had the nets out there," said the Broncos’ General Manager. "Washington was interested, and we thought it was something we wanted to do."

Right. Mr. Sundquist, President Bush called and asked you to stop being so vague.

"We're looking real good next year," Sundquist said. "We have a lot of flexibility."

If you want flexibility, take a yoga class.

If you want to win, find the problems with your team and then draft young talent to make the team better.

The problems (and there are a lot of them) are that the Redskins are not as bad as Sundquist and Bowlen and Shanahan hope they are, and they play in a much easier conference than Denver. I look at it this way: Washington finished 6-10 last year, but are only a few players away (quarterback, offensive linemen) from making the playoffs. With the wealth of cornerbacks in this draft, I look for the Redskins to take Aaron Rodgers (if he’s still on the board) at No. 9 and a quality offensive lineman with Denver’s No. 25. St. Louis made the playoffs last year with an 8-8 record, and Seattle got in at 9-7. Going from 6-10 to 9-7 shouldn’t be that much of a challenge for this Washington team, and that’s my worry.

Of course, all of this could be moot if the Deadskins go in the tank and lose all but a few games. Given the brief history of Daniel Snyder’s ownership in Washington, this is a distinct possibility, but not a likely one. Head Coach Joe Gibbs does not accept failure, and he is going to work around the clock to make the ‘Skins competitive in ’05.

Best case: Snyder’s hands-on ownership style continues and Washington finishes 4-12, near the bottom of the league and we get a top-ten pick.

Worst case: The moves that Gibbs makes, combined with the new talent influx (keep in mind that the Redskins already have some top-tier talent in halfback Clinton Portis and cornerback Shawn Springs) makes Washington good, even excellent, and they challenge for a playoff spot. Then we get a pick – you ready for this? – right around the 25th overall.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

RaiderH8r · 04-20-2005, 01:35 PM

That sounds a lot like Kiszla's type of writing. Is this his nom de plume?

watermock · 04-20-2005, 01:36 PM

It's all part of the "plan".

We all lined up like good little penguins and took it up the ass.

Rascal · 04-20-2005, 01:38 PM

Walls and our 25th would not have moved us up enough to get Pacman.

Mile High Shack · 04-20-2005, 01:40 PM

good lord, talk about chicken little

that article sucked

everyone knows this draft is pretty much the same after the top 15 players

frerottenextelway · 04-20-2005, 01:43 PM

Anyone that says this wasn't a fantastic deal is either a.) lying, or b.) too dumb to be bothered listening to. We basically moved up about 10 spots or so in a better draft class, and we got a 3rd and an 4th on top of it.

Washington could've probably of done a very similar trade with Miami instead of us.

bronco militia · 04-20-2005, 01:44 PM

who is this guy?....

Ballhawk · 04-20-2005, 01:48 PM

The talent level in this draft from #25 to #76 is very close. So basically we will get a similar player and 2 picks next year. I do not think Washington will be that bad, may even win 10 games, really not the point. Denver will get a much better player at 20-25th pick next year than they would have got this year.

sirhcyennek81 · 04-20-2005, 01:53 PM

Picks 20-100 are close. then again, every player in the draft is a project, they all need work. even the "sure" things.

PatsWin2002 · 04-20-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

everyone knows this draft is pretty much the same after the top 15 players

That was my first thought too.

It's almost like the guy is trying to get his name out there just by taking the position he did. Negative press works just as well for attention-getting...maybe more so.

Merlin · 04-20-2005, 02:04 PM

That is a very poor article. Only an ignoramus would assume that you could get a low first round draft choice for Walls. Did he not notice the total lack of interest on Walls by other teams? All they had to provide in compensation was a first round draft choice. Not even Clements will be worth a first round draft choice (and I mean the 25th not the 9th) because he is only under contract for one more year. This was either written by an arrogant, ignorant 18 year old (or the intellect of an 18 yr old), or by a know-nothing writer who sees his road to fame as being achieved through controversy. Or maybe it is just Kizla under a different nom de plume trying to create the belief others feel as he does (or are as uninformed as he is, depending on one's take)

Merlin

Taco John · 04-20-2005, 02:08 PM

Wow. I've read some poorly thought out takes in my time, but this has got to be the most short sighted article I've read in the last five years...

Atlas · 04-20-2005, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsWin2002

Sorry....I don't make the headlines.

http://broncos.scout.com/2/371860.html

Mayday! Broncos Draft Up in Smoke
By Sam DeWitt Broncos Update Columnist

I’ve never been the sharpest pencil in the box, but let’s just be crystal clear on this one; the Broncos trade their first round pick this year for Washington’s first round pick next year, evidently hoping and wishing that the Redskins continue their run of mediocrity (now in it’s award-winning 5th straight year) for one more season so Denver can collect a high first-rounder. What I don’t understand is how this helps us improve now. Why not trade corner Lenny Walls and a shoulder injury to be named later to the ‘Skins for this year’s first-round pick, at number nine? That pick is likely to be Adam “Pacman” Jones from West Virginia, also known as the Best Shutdown Corner in the Draft.

.

This guy is obviously a moron and not a legitimate sports writer.

PatsWin2002 · 04-20-2005, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

Wow. I've read some poorly thought out takes in my time, but this has got to be the most short sighted article I've read in the last five years...

Do I win a prize?

PatsWin2002 · 04-20-2005, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

In fact this post is so stupid I'm tempted to neg rep Pats for posting it.

Hey! Don't shoot the messenger!

This is right from Broncos Update. If I hadn't posted it someone else probably would have.

If it's "out there" then it's fair game and makes for good message board fodder - whether good or bad. If you disagree with the guy then roast him or email him!

This board has never shyed away from hammering knucklehead columnists. Let's not start now.

Hercules Rockefeller · 04-20-2005, 02:17 PM

Damn this guy is stupid. Carl Peterson said at a PC today that he'd wished Washington had called him wanting to do a similar deal. There are very few non-Skins fans who don't think that Denver completely put one over on the Skins.

http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122018

I think the majority of the posters at KFFL are pretty good, but this poll is even more lopsided than I thought it would be.

Atlas · 04-20-2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsWin2002

Hey! Don't shoot the messenger!

This is right from Broncos Update. If I hadn't posted it someone else probably would have.

If it's "out there" then it's fair game and makes for good message board fodder - whether good or bad. If you disagree with the guy then roast him or email him!

This board has never shyed away from hammering knucklehead columnists. Let's not start now.

I edited it after I reread it.

Finger Roll · 04-20-2005, 02:20 PM

thanks for the good laugh Patswin2002 I needed it.

Merlin · 04-20-2005, 02:21 PM

Actually, this article is worthy of a moronic post at the extreme skins which suggested that Gibbs would be able to make a straight trade of his 9th draft choice for Miami's or Cleveland's higher draft, just because they did not know what to do with them

Taco John · 04-20-2005, 02:27 PM

I think I just lost IQ points for having read and given this article any thought.

The worst part is that they guy started his article with completely bogus information... "It all seemed so promising. A draft stocked with talent." Just lovely. Already in the opener we know that we've got a guy who's got an opinion, whether he knows anything about the subject or not. The idea that this draft is "stocked" with talent is widely disputed, and laughable. Anyone who thought that a first rounder in this years draft was going to be able to come in and help out immediately needs to have their expectations checked. This is a draft chock full of projects. There will be the exception or two, to be sure, but the odds we were going to find it late in the first are pretty slim.

It's incredible to me how what I view as a master-stroke can be viewed by someone else as burning a franchise to the ground.

Also, any Broncos "fan" who equates our defensive dealings as simply "picking up one of the worst defensive lines in the league" is a moron. Yes, we picked up two young guys that we hope will start for us from the Browns... Everyone else are rotation and camp guys. I think that the "buy low, sell high" approach is a good one, and for what we're paying these guys, it's well worth the risk.

DBroncos4life · 04-20-2005, 02:27 PM

Im willing to bet money that this guys lunch went up in smoke as well.

Phantom · 04-20-2005, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsWin2002

finished 6-10 last year, but are only a few players away (quarterback, offensive linemen) from making the playoffs. With the wealth of cornerbacks in this draft, I look for the Redskins to take Aaron Rodgers (if he’s still on the board) at No. 9 and a quality offensive lineman with Denver’s No. 25.

Hey, they are only a QB and an Offensive Line away from making the playoffs - that's all. But they draft a CB with the nine pick.

This guys is an idiot.

MT-Tdawg · 04-20-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Im willing to bet money that this guys lunch went up in smoke as well.

I doubt it DB, you have to be smart enough to work a lighter for that to happen. I want the 3 wasted minutes of my life back for reading that article. What an idiot.

dbroncos31 · 04-20-2005, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ballhawk

The talent level in this draft from #25 to #76 is very close. So basically we will get a similar player and 2 picks next year. I do not think Washington will be that bad, may even win 10 games, really not the point. Denver will get a much better player at 20-25th pick next year than they would have got this year.

next year i'm hoping for the #15 pick (washington) and the #32 pick (us)

RaiderH8r · 04-20-2005, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbroncos31

next year i'm hoping for the #15 pick (washington) and the #32 pick (us)

Next year I'm hoping to bookend the first round #1 for the 2-14 Redskins and #32 for your SB champion Broncos.

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04-20-2005, 01:13 PM	#1
PatsWin2002 Giggity Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: South of Boston Posts: 6,270	Mayday! Broncos Draft Up in Smoke Sorry....I don't make the headlines. http://broncos.scout.com/2/371860.html Mayday! Broncos Draft Up in Smoke By Sam DeWitt Broncos Update Columnist Date: Apr 20, 2005 The more things change, the more they stay the same, at least according to Broncos Update Columnist Sam DeWitt. It all seemed so promising. A draft stocked with talent. A reasonable first round pick. Needs that could have been met. The lesson: When Mike Shanahan says, “I will turn this car around,” he means it. Apparently the only way to save this franchise is to burn it to the ground. I’ve never been the sharpest pencil in the box, but let’s just be crystal clear on this one; the Broncos trade their first round pick this year for Washington’s first round pick next year, evidently hoping and wishing that the Redskins continue their run of mediocrity (now in it’s award-winning 5th straight year) for one more season so Denver can collect a high first-rounder. What I don’t understand is how this helps us improve now. Why not trade corner Lenny Walls and a shoulder injury to be named later to the ‘Skins for this year’s first-round pick, at number nine? That pick is likely to be Adam “Pacman” Jones from West Virginia, also known as the Best Shutdown Corner in the Draft. The Bronco Brain Trust (if they can still be called that) claims that this was a great move, stopping just short of saying they put one over on the Redskins. Are you looking for a congratulatory handshake? Putting one over on Washington is like hitting a blind man in the back of the head. With a hammer. "I'm very excited about this trade; our guys did a great job," Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said Tuesday. "Everything is falling into place. We (restructured) Trevor Pryce, added more to the defensive front and now we made this deal." Remind me again how picking up one of the worst defensive lines in the league, then following up that move by trading our one first round pick away is an improvement? Ted Sundquist? "We had the nets out there," said the Broncos’ General Manager. "Washington was interested, and we thought it was something we wanted to do." Right. Mr. Sundquist, President Bush called and asked you to stop being so vague. "We're looking real good next year," Sundquist said. "We have a lot of flexibility." If you want flexibility, take a yoga class. If you want to win, find the problems with your team and then draft young talent to make the team better. The problems (and there are a lot of them) are that the Redskins are not as bad as Sundquist and Bowlen and Shanahan hope they are, and they play in a much easier conference than Denver. I look at it this way: Washington finished 6-10 last year, but are only a few players away (quarterback, offensive linemen) from making the playoffs. With the wealth of cornerbacks in this draft, I look for the Redskins to take Aaron Rodgers (if he’s still on the board) at No. 9 and a quality offensive lineman with Denver’s No. 25. St. Louis made the playoffs last year with an 8-8 record, and Seattle got in at 9-7. Going from 6-10 to 9-7 shouldn’t be that much of a challenge for this Washington team, and that’s my worry. Of course, all of this could be moot if the Deadskins go in the tank and lose all but a few games. Given the brief history of Daniel Snyder’s ownership in Washington, this is a distinct possibility, but not a likely one. Head Coach Joe Gibbs does not accept failure, and he is going to work around the clock to make the ‘Skins competitive in ’05. Best case: Snyder’s hands-on ownership style continues and Washington finishes 4-12, near the bottom of the league and we get a top-ten pick. Worst case: The moves that Gibbs makes, combined with the new talent influx (keep in mind that the Redskins already have some top-tier talent in halfback Clinton Portis and cornerback Shawn Springs) makes Washington good, even excellent, and they challenge for a playoff spot. Then we get a pick – you ready for this? – right around the 25th overall. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

04-20-2005, 01:35 PM	#2
RaiderH8r In The Bag Don't worry. Nobody's listening. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Meth Alley Posts: 9,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: MethWolfe	That sounds a lot like Kiszla's type of writing. Is this his nom de plume?

04-20-2005, 01:36 PM	#3
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	It's all part of the "plan". We all lined up like good little penguins and took it up the ass.

04-20-2005, 01:38 PM	#4
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Walls and our 25th would not have moved us up enough to get Pacman.

04-20-2005, 01:40 PM	#5
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	good lord, talk about chicken little that article sucked everyone knows this draft is pretty much the same after the top 15 players

04-20-2005, 01:43 PM	#6
frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	Anyone that says this wasn't a fantastic deal is either a.) lying, or b.) too dumb to be bothered listening to. We basically moved up about 10 spots or so in a better draft class, and we got a 3rd and an 4th on top of it. Washington could've probably of done a very similar trade with Miami instead of us.

04-20-2005, 01:44 PM	#7
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,575	who is this guy?....

04-20-2005, 01:48 PM	#8
Ballhawk Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,132	The talent level in this draft from #25 to #76 is very close. So basically we will get a similar player and 2 picks next year. I do not think Washington will be that bad, may even win 10 games, really not the point. Denver will get a much better player at 20-25th pick next year than they would have got this year.

04-20-2005, 01:53 PM	#9
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Picks 20-100 are close. then again, every player in the draft is a project, they all need work. even the "sure" things.

04-20-2005, 02:04 PM	#11
Merlin Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,798	That is a very poor article. Only an ignoramus would assume that you could get a low first round draft choice for Walls. Did he not notice the total lack of interest on Walls by other teams? All they had to provide in compensation was a first round draft choice. Not even Clements will be worth a first round draft choice (and I mean the 25th not the 9th) because he is only under contract for one more year. This was either written by an arrogant, ignorant 18 year old (or the intellect of an 18 yr old), or by a know-nothing writer who sees his road to fame as being achieved through controversy. Or maybe it is just Kizla under a different nom de plume trying to create the belief others feel as he does (or are as uninformed as he is, depending on one's take) Merlin

04-20-2005, 02:08 PM	#12
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Wow. I've read some poorly thought out takes in my time, but this has got to be the most short sighted article I've read in the last five years...

04-20-2005, 02:17 PM	#16
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Damn this guy is stupid. Carl Peterson said at a PC today that he'd wished Washington had called him wanting to do a similar deal. There are very few non-Skins fans who don't think that Denver completely put one over on the Skins. http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122018 I think the majority of the posters at KFFL are pretty good, but this poll is even more lopsided than I thought it would be.

04-20-2005, 02:20 PM	#18
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,321	thanks for the good laugh Patswin2002 I needed it.

04-20-2005, 02:21 PM	#19
Merlin Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,798	Actually, this article is worthy of a moronic post at the extreme skins which suggested that Gibbs would be able to make a straight trade of his 9th draft choice for Miami's or Cleveland's higher draft, just because they did not know what to do with them

04-20-2005, 02:27 PM	#20
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I think I just lost IQ points for having read and given this article any thought. The worst part is that they guy started his article with completely bogus information... "It all seemed so promising. A draft stocked with talent." Just lovely. Already in the opener we know that we've got a guy who's got an opinion, whether he knows anything about the subject or not. The idea that this draft is "stocked" with talent is widely disputed, and laughable. Anyone who thought that a first rounder in this years draft was going to be able to come in and help out immediately needs to have their expectations checked. This is a draft chock full of projects. There will be the exception or two, to be sure, but the odds we were going to find it late in the first are pretty slim. It's incredible to me how what I view as a master-stroke can be viewed by someone else as burning a franchise to the ground. Also, any Broncos "fan" who equates our defensive dealings as simply "picking up one of the worst defensive lines in the league" is a moron. Yes, we picked up two young guys that we hope will start for us from the Browns... Everyone else are rotation and camp guys. I think that the "buy low, sell high" approach is a good one, and for what we're paying these guys, it's well worth the risk.

04-20-2005, 02:27 PM	#21
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,531	Im willing to bet money that this guys lunch went up in smoke as well.