Why draft day sucks this year! - The Orange Mane

Mediator12 · 04-11-2005, 10:29 AM

1. No one here knows how the players ended up being graded from last season. The offense grades the defense and vice versa. These evaluations are the basis for the teams needs and not the wonderful observations of this board. The OM has some of the best entertainment and analysis going on the Teams needs. The result is mystifying on draft Day.

Case in point OG: While we are able to get reasonable looks at the starters and backups in most positions, OL is not really gradeable from our perspective. Most of the younger guys and Backups are only seen on the scout teams. Therefore, no one here really knows how Sewell and Clabo graded. If they are better than our OPINIONS then the OG position is not the need we percieve it to be to the team. There could be more sixth and seventh OL selected again.

2. Same thing for the teams scouting reports. The majority of draft sites out there regurgitate the same INFO and use others analysis to establish the pecking order of draftees. It is well established that this scouting staff has no qualms in making their own minds up with players and very rarely "toe the line" with perceived rankings. The broncos systems use different styles of players than the overall grades given to value players overall in most cases.

Case in point: Foster, Bell, And Watts were all drated above their perceived values the last two years. Most teams had Watts at the fourth round and he was not in Kipers Top 100. "The Reach" is another favorite term used to describe most of Shanahan's drafts and I am sure it will happen again!

3. Draft day movement. Denver has come up short recently in getting advantageous draft day maneuvers. Most people around here would love to move down from the first round and acquire another 2cd and 3rd pick. With so many of the teams in front of Denver envisioning the same thing, it will not likely happen. Denver has been outbid over and over for moving up, and this is a draft not to move up either.

4. The late first round pick means Denver fans wait four hours or so to get a look at what Denver will do. If they move up, most here may have coronaries or be calling the local store for new Monitor pricing. Conversely, if they do move down, that means waiting another two hours or so to see that first pick. And, every time one of the "Potential Targets" moves off the board, the level of anxiety increases exponentially.

5. The perceived needs will be slighted on the first day of the draft. Does anyone really think Denver will go OG, S, DL, and Punter on day one

They will get some other positions in there based on BPA or other needs. This definitely will arise the anger of the masses on the board.

6. I have finals that Monday!

bronco militia · 04-11-2005, 10:34 AM

hehehehe

honestly, after 17 years as a Bronco fan, I don't know how any Broncos fan becomes a draft geek. The Broncos are notoriously boring on draft day.

oh well, to each his own.

Mediator12 · 04-11-2005, 12:03 PM

60+ views and No comments outside Bmilitia? Meanwhile posts on the Nuggets, something about sexing Mutombo, and retreads on the Draft are still being discussed. So much for perspective from my point of View

Ray Finkle · 04-11-2005, 12:06 PM

I agree with you but I am a glutton for abuse and always find a way to watch the draft...

NFLBRONCO · 04-11-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

hehehehe

honestly, after 17 years as a Bronco fan, I don't know how any Broncos fan becomes a draft geek. The Broncos are notoriously boring on draft day.

oh well, to each his own.

As a Bronco draft geek I agree with our drafts being boring. I laugh at people who call us such wheeler dealers draft day none of the moves lately were EXCITING moves. Besides us being boring I love draft day and always will.

bronco militia · 04-11-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

As a Bronco draft geek I agree with our drafts being boring. I laugh at people who call us such wheeler dealers draft day none of the moves lately were EXCITING moves. Besides us being boring I love draft day and always will.

that's cool...I enjoy watching the 1st round.

stoxman · 04-11-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

that's cool...I enjoy watching the 1st round.

I agree with this. Years ago I was one of the BIGGEST draft day fans in the midwest--bar none! Given that I haven't really enjoyed a Bronco's draft in the past 10 years, I can no longer get as excited as I used to and will just try TRY to sit back and chill out on the big 2 days. I am done figuring out this front office and it's much easier on my blood pressure to just not worry about it.

Maybe when Shanny is gone I can get back into objective team needs and analysis and feel better about how we make our picks. I'm not even sure what it would take to get Mike outta here though. Not even a 3-13 season woudl be enough and Mike does just enough (missing playoffs by a game, or a very fast playoff loss to keep his job and inexplicably keep that mastermind label).

FADERPROOF · 04-11-2005, 01:12 PM

This is why I'm heading down to Columbus to watch Ohio State's spring game on April 23rd instead of being shacked up inside watching the NFL Draft.

TheNextStep · 04-11-2005, 01:17 PM

It'll probably be boring to me because the Raiders are in a position where they have to wait and let the draft fall to them. The boredom will be broken up every time I remember that the chances of the Raiders drafting somebody better than Randy Moss are pretty freakin' slim...

Traveler · 04-11-2005, 02:34 PM

I gave up wasting away a Saturday to watch the complete 1st round of the draft in the early/mid 90's. Too much aggrevation, especially after the Broncos choices. The Dan Reeves era was the worst, but Shanahan & Co are giving him a run for the money.

Paladin · 04-11-2005, 04:16 PM

On that day, I will be going up to Cheyenne to do a bit of shopping and dinner at the Little Bear Inn. there is a Lowe's up there and they carry Pella Doors and display several models on the floor. In this neck of the woods, there is a Home Depot.

I do nto sit and watch the Draft. I cannot stand to listen to the Hairboy jabber and jabber. I will catch the news and the Rocky Mountain Report later.

Good luck on your exams, Mediator.

gunns · 04-11-2005, 04:21 PM

I remember hyperventilating during two drafts. In one I heard the words Tommy Maddox instead of Carl Pickens and in the other I heard Ashley Lelie instead of Ed Reed. Everything after that is a blur.

ro_50 · 04-11-2005, 04:42 PM

On draft day, I'll be covering the Western Michigan womens softball team for KZoo Gazette.

DBroncos4life · 04-11-2005, 05:13 PM

I love draft time. I just don't like watching the draft drunk or hung over. I can't keep up with the names.

KansasBronco · 04-11-2005, 05:34 PM

The draft is never boring for me. I think it's important to see what other teams get, especially in our division. This will be my 10 year draft annv. and I haven't missed a pick yet. I'm like a kid now waiting for Xmas.

SoCalBronco · 04-11-2005, 05:40 PM

The draft is the single biggest weekend sports event for me. I am up at 7 am a full two hours before the start of proceedings and i stay until 6 pm when the last pick of Round 3 is done. Day 2 my attention span starts to fade but i am always there within 6 or 7 picks of whenever Denver is picking till we pick.

Play2win · 04-11-2005, 05:48 PM

Draft Day Weekend Rocks. Next to the SuperBowl, It is one of the best weekends daytime time and beyond parties in all of sports.

When I say parties I don't mean just the drinking, I mean the RAZ you get from sports being sports. I love draft day weekend. Partly because you are inundated by a whole bunch of football talk from all directions. If you love football, I don't see how you cannot LOVE THE DRAFT!!!

Its the whole reason I even watch college football.

Atlas · 04-11-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gunns

I remember hyperventilating during two drafts. In one I heard the words Tommy Maddox instead of Carl Pickens and in the other I heard Ashley Lelie instead of Ed Reed. Everything after that is a blur.

Those are nothing I remember in 1989 hearing the name Ted Gregory instead of Thurmon Thomas. All the experts were saying "Thomas is falling, Thomas is falling. Denver will surely select him if he falls that far." Denver selects Ted F_cking Gregory!! I think about that 1991 team that went 12-4 and wonder what would have happened if Thomas was Denver's RB. Oh yeah The Thurmon Thomas led Buffalo Bills beat Denver in the AFC Championship game that year.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 04-11-2005, 06:24 PM

I enjoy the draft. I am have been fortunate enough to watch a lot of college ball both in person and on TV and I kind of view it as watching my 5th graders on continuance day.

I do agree with your comment about the OL. No fan can tell what the OL is realy doing from TV or in person. The assignments are always well disguised and many times when you see a holding call or other obvious mistake it is because the guy called for it is trying to cover another's mistake.

FADERPROOF · 04-11-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

The draft is the single biggest weekend sports event for me. I am up at 7 am a full two hours before the start of proceedings and i stay until 6 pm when the last pick of Round 3 is done. Day 2 my attention span starts to fade but i am always there within 6 or 7 picks of whenever Denver is picking till we pick.

Life...go get one.

Mediator12 · 04-11-2005, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

I enjoy the draft. I am have been fortunate enough to watch a lot of college ball both in person and on TV and I kind of view it as watching my 5th graders on continuance day.

I do agree with your comment about the OL. No fan can tell what the OL is realy doing from TV or in person. The assignments are always well disguised and many times when you see a holding call or other obvious mistake it is because the guy called for it is trying to cover another's mistake.

Thanks big guy! The article started out as a perception altering attempt. Then I actually tried to make a few points about the nature of team needs from the differing perspectives of the team (in the know) and the fans (think they are in the Know). Finally, I tried to dispel the common thinking of ranking players for all 32 possible destinations versus specific team value of certain players that no one here is privy.

Good to see all this matriculate into draft day tailgating discussions Socal!

Tombstone RJ · 04-11-2005, 08:16 PM

Its true that Shanahan runs a very strange show on draft day and that, for the most part, Denver's drafts are uneventful, but, its not like Shanny is completely boring on draft day. Just last year the Broncos traded up to #17 to get DJ, that was kinda exciting. The Broncos do move around a little on draft day, they do try to make deals. Shanahan is trying to wheel and deal on draft day, its just that he has not found any other teams that is buying what he is selling, for the most part.

Well, I still enjoy the draft because it is fun to see the experts break down each pick and the strengths and weaknesses of each player. Its exciting because each and every player taken has "potential" to be good or even great and on draft day, that potential greatness is what is so fun to imagine.

When the Broncos take some kid in the seventh round, like BVP, I inevitably say "cool, that kid has so much potential, he's a diamond in the rough, just wait, the Broncos KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING..."

Its that kind of "the future is great" feeling that the draft brings. I do get upset when the Broncos don't take the player I think they should take, that truly is disappointing. But, in all reality, the positives far out weigh the negatives for me on draft day.

bilrob · 04-11-2005, 08:22 PM

The most exciting part of the draft is the next day when you see which FA the Broncos bring in. Those not drafted.

delany · 04-11-2005, 09:15 PM

I think they should hold the draft behind closed doors.....and then air it in reverse order.

It is so anti-climatic with the way they do it now...

Actually, I love watching the first day of the draft...if for nothing else...it is football-related....although the NFL channel is filling my off-season Broncos jones very nicely now.

azbroncfan · 04-11-2005, 09:20 PM

I watch the first round and that's about all I can handle in one sitting. Usually its 80 degrees outside and too nice to stay in and watch Mel run his yapper.

04-11-2005, 12:03 PM	#3
Mediator12 OM analyst REAL Front Seven Bandwagon !!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INDY Posts: 9,701 Adopt-a-Bronco: Malik Jackson	60+ views and No comments outside Bmilitia? Meanwhile posts on the Nuggets, something about sexing Mutombo, and retreads on the Draft are still being discussed. So much for perspective from my point of View Last edited by Mediator12; 04-11-2005 at 12:06 PM..

04-11-2005, 05:40 PM	#16
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04-11-2005, 10:29 AM	#1
Mediator12 OM analyst REAL Front Seven Bandwagon !!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INDY Posts: 9,701 Adopt-a-Bronco: Malik Jackson	Why draft day sucks this year! 1. No one here knows how the players ended up being graded from last season. The offense grades the defense and vice versa. These evaluations are the basis for the teams needs and not the wonderful observations of this board. The OM has some of the best entertainment and analysis going on the Teams needs. The result is mystifying on draft Day. Case in point OG: While we are able to get reasonable looks at the starters and backups in most positions, OL is not really gradeable from our perspective. Most of the younger guys and Backups are only seen on the scout teams. Therefore, no one here really knows how Sewell and Clabo graded. If they are better than our OPINIONS then the OG position is not the need we percieve it to be to the team. There could be more sixth and seventh OL selected again. 2. Same thing for the teams scouting reports. The majority of draft sites out there regurgitate the same INFO and use others analysis to establish the pecking order of draftees. It is well established that this scouting staff has no qualms in making their own minds up with players and very rarely "toe the line" with perceived rankings. The broncos systems use different styles of players than the overall grades given to value players overall in most cases. Case in point: Foster, Bell, And Watts were all drated above their perceived values the last two years. Most teams had Watts at the fourth round and he was not in Kipers Top 100. "The Reach" is another favorite term used to describe most of Shanahan's drafts and I am sure it will happen again! 3. Draft day movement. Denver has come up short recently in getting advantageous draft day maneuvers. Most people around here would love to move down from the first round and acquire another 2cd and 3rd pick. With so many of the teams in front of Denver envisioning the same thing, it will not likely happen. Denver has been outbid over and over for moving up, and this is a draft not to move up either. 4. The late first round pick means Denver fans wait four hours or so to get a look at what Denver will do. If they move up, most here may have coronaries or be calling the local store for new Monitor pricing. Conversely, if they do move down, that means waiting another two hours or so to see that first pick. And, every time one of the "Potential Targets" moves off the board, the level of anxiety increases exponentially. 5. The perceived needs will be slighted on the first day of the draft. Does anyone really think Denver will go OG, S, DL, and Punter on day one They will get some other positions in there based on BPA or other needs. This definitely will arise the anger of the masses on the board. 6. I have finals that Monday! Last edited by Mediator12; 04-11-2005 at 10:32 AM..

04-11-2005, 10:34 AM	#2
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,584	hehehehe honestly, after 17 years as a Bronco fan, I don't know how any Broncos fan becomes a draft geek. The Broncos are notoriously boring on draft day. oh well, to each his own.

04-11-2005, 12:06 PM	#4
Ray Finkle DOOONNNTTTTT CAAARRREEE! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 7,405	I agree with you but I am a glutton for abuse and always find a way to watch the draft...

04-11-2005, 01:12 PM	#8
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	This is why I'm heading down to Columbus to watch Ohio State's spring game on April 23rd instead of being shacked up inside watching the NFL Draft.

04-11-2005, 01:17 PM	#9
TheNextStep The Enemy Within Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,814	It'll probably be boring to me because the Raiders are in a position where they have to wait and let the draft fall to them. The boredom will be broken up every time I remember that the chances of the Raiders drafting somebody better than Randy Moss are pretty freakin' slim...

04-11-2005, 02:34 PM	#10
Traveler Traveling Man! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,410 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	I gave up wasting away a Saturday to watch the complete 1st round of the draft in the early/mid 90's. Too much aggrevation, especially after the Broncos choices. The Dan Reeves era was the worst, but Shanahan & Co are giving him a run for the money.

04-11-2005, 04:16 PM	#11
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	On that day, I will be going up to Cheyenne to do a bit of shopping and dinner at the Little Bear Inn. there is a Lowe's up there and they carry Pella Doors and display several models on the floor. In this neck of the woods, there is a Home Depot. I do nto sit and watch the Draft. I cannot stand to listen to the Hairboy jabber and jabber. I will catch the news and the Rocky Mountain Report later. Good luck on your exams, Mediator.

04-11-2005, 04:21 PM	#12
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,653 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	I remember hyperventilating during two drafts. In one I heard the words Tommy Maddox instead of Carl Pickens and in the other I heard Ashley Lelie instead of Ed Reed. Everything after that is a blur.

04-11-2005, 04:42 PM	#13
ro_50 Ring of Famer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere in Jersey Posts: 3,782	On draft day, I'll be covering the Western Michigan womens softball team for KZoo Gazette.

04-11-2005, 05:13 PM	#14
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,535	I love draft time. I just don't like watching the draft drunk or hung over. I can't keep up with the names.

04-11-2005, 05:34 PM	#15
KansasBronco Pro Bowler Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 622	The draft is never boring for me. I think it's important to see what other teams get, especially in our division. This will be my 10 year draft annv. and I haven't missed a pick yet. I'm like a kid now waiting for Xmas.

04-11-2005, 05:48 PM	#17
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	Draft Day Weekend Rocks. Next to the SuperBowl, It is one of the best weekends daytime time and beyond parties in all of sports. When I say parties I don't mean just the drinking, I mean the RAZ you get from sports being sports. I love draft day weekend. Partly because you are inundated by a whole bunch of football talk from all directions. If you love football, I don't see how you cannot LOVE THE DRAFT!!! Its the whole reason I even watch college football.

04-11-2005, 06:24 PM	#19
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	I enjoy the draft. I am have been fortunate enough to watch a lot of college ball both in person and on TV and I kind of view it as watching my 5th graders on continuance day. I do agree with your comment about the OL. No fan can tell what the OL is realy doing from TV or in person. The assignments are always well disguised and many times when you see a holding call or other obvious mistake it is because the guy called for it is trying to cover another's mistake.

04-11-2005, 08:16 PM	#22
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,281 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	Its true that Shanahan runs a very strange show on draft day and that, for the most part, Denver's drafts are uneventful, but, its not like Shanny is completely boring on draft day. Just last year the Broncos traded up to #17 to get DJ, that was kinda exciting. The Broncos do move around a little on draft day, they do try to make deals. Shanahan is trying to wheel and deal on draft day, its just that he has not found any other teams that is buying what he is selling, for the most part. Well, I still enjoy the draft because it is fun to see the experts break down each pick and the strengths and weaknesses of each player. Its exciting because each and every player taken has "potential" to be good or even great and on draft day, that potential greatness is what is so fun to imagine. When the Broncos take some kid in the seventh round, like BVP, I inevitably say "cool, that kid has so much potential, he's a diamond in the rough, just wait, the Broncos KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING..." Its that kind of "the future is great" feeling that the draft brings. I do get upset when the Broncos don't take the player I think they should take, that truly is disappointing. But, in all reality, the positives far out weigh the negatives for me on draft day.

04-11-2005, 08:22 PM	#23
bilrob Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 352	The most exciting part of the draft is the next day when you see which FA the Broncos bring in. Those not drafted.

04-11-2005, 09:15 PM	#24
delany Uber Bronco Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 762	I think they should hold the draft behind closed doors.....and then air it in reverse order. It is so anti-climatic with the way they do it now... Actually, I love watching the first day of the draft...if for nothing else...it is football-related....although the NFL channel is filling my off-season Broncos jones very nicely now.

04-11-2005, 09:20 PM	#25
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	I watch the first round and that's about all I can handle in one sitting. Usually its 80 degrees outside and too nice to stay in and watch Mel run his yapper.