PFT: Chiefs or Raiders trying to reel in Pryce?

[ZachKC]

Consider the source...

CHIEFS, RAIDERS WOULD POUNCE ON PRYCE

In response to our Saturday story regarding the Broncos' unwillingness to put defensive end Trevor Pryce on the open market because another AFC West team might snatch him up, we've heard that two of Denver's rivals -- the Raiders and Chiefs -- would indeed pounce on Pryce if he were to be released.

The Raiders would need to move cornerback Charles Woodson, we're told, before Oakland could make a run at Pryce. With less than $500,000 in cap room and more than $10 million tied up in Woodson's franchise tender, the Raiders' hands are tied, for now.

The Chiefs, we hear, are holding a spot for Pryce across from Jared Allen. Plus, with eight picks on day two of the draft, we're told that the Chiefs could be hoping to work out a back-door deal, with another team initially acquiring Pryce and then shipping him to the Chiefs.

We've yet to research the specific rules in this regard, but we're not aware of any provision that would prevent the Broncos from placing a term in the initial trade that would require the team who acquires Pryce to pony up extra value if the team were then to ship Pryce to another team within a specific time period. Trades often contain conditions that result in further compensation based on the player's performance; it seems, then, that a team like the Broncos could also insert a poison pill that would, as a practical matter, prevent a straw party from turning around and sending Pryce to the Chiefs, Raiders, or Chargers.

[Hotrod]

The thought of Pryce in either of those unis makes me sick.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by hotrod

The thought of Pryce in either of those unis makes me sick.

Depends. If he is washed up and/or injury prone, I hope they give him a truckload of dough. Problem is, I believe he can still play and we will wind up cutting him and then facing him twice a year in KC.

[Uncle Bill]

The main reason we're even having this discussion is because we don't want Pryce's contract on the books. Given his injury status, it's safe to say that other teams don't want his contract either. So any trade that occurs would likely involve a new/restructured contract, signing bonus, etc. No one would turn around and trade him again, because they would have already taken the cap hit for the bonus. So a double trade would be impossible. The only way Pryce ends up with a division rival is if we cut him or they offer us an exorbitant trade package.

I might be wrong--maybe someone else can clarify...

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

Given his injury status, it's safe to say that other teams don't want his contract either. So any trade that occurs would likely involve a new/restructured contract, signing bonus, etc.

This isn't necessarily true. He and his agent claim he has 3 or 4 years good left. Everyone in Denver is leary about his back, and others would due well to be worried as well. However, his salary for this year is only about $5 mill. That's palatable. It just depends on how bad they want him and how much they think he has left in the tank.

Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

No one would turn around and trade him again, because they would have already taken the cap hit for the bonus. So a double trade would be impossible.

Not true. The only team that takes a bonus hit is the Broncos. My undertanding is that his total cap number is 9 million and the Broncos save 5 million by cutting him. This means that the Broncos take a 4 million acceleration in prorated bonus money in the form of dead money. Anyone else involved just has to move his 5 million dollar salary.

Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

The only way Pryce ends up with a division rival is if we cut him or they offer us an exorbitant trade package.

That seems to be the case. Although, I don't understand it. If the Broncos are serious about cutting him, he could go there anyway. Why not take anything, even a 2nd day pick, to send him to a team out of the division?

[labronco]

yeah. i would do trades with raiders or chiefs. why not? i won't lose sleep over. a second round pick for pryce, so long as we don't shake hands.

i wanna see healthy pryce go against foster. foster would kick pryce's ass.

[Uncle Bill]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

This isn't necessarily true. He and his agent claim he has 3 or 4 years good left. Everyone in Denver is leary about his back, and others would due well to be worried as well. However, his salary for this year is only about $5 mill. That's palatable. It just depends on how bad they want him and how much they think he has left in the tank.



Not true. The only team that takes a bonus hit is the Broncos. My undertanding is that his total cap number is 9 million and the Broncos save 5 million by cutting him. This means that the Broncos take a 4 million acceleration in prorated bonus money in the form of dead money. Anyone else involved just has to move his 5 million dollar salary.



That seems to be the case. Although, I don't understand it. If the Broncos are serious about cutting him, he could go there anyway. Why not take anything, even a 2nd day pick, to send him to a team out of the division?

My entire post was based on the assumption that no other team would pay him $5 million/year given his injury situation, meaning that he will have to restructure regardless of where he ends up. I thought I clearly explained that...

If some team is willing to pay his current salary, and Pryce doesn't have to restructure, then I suppose he could be traded multiple times within a short time period, provided there are no rules against that (I have no idea if the NFL has such rules--I think there are in other sports, though, such as MLB).

If he comes back at 100%, then $5 million is a bargain. For a defensive lineman, though, any back injury is pretty serious. I highly doubt anyone would give us a decent draft pick and pay his salary--that's just too great of a risk.

I agree with you on your last point. If it comes right down to it, they should take whatever draft compensation they can get rather than cutting him outright. It still seems to me like his best option is to restructure and stay with us, though. Hopefully he ends up seeing things that way too...

[watermock]

That is spin of Burger Bills lame comments three days ago. This is all pure speculation that we wouldn't trade within the division.

Let me ask this. If Oakland gave us their high second rounder for Pryce you wouldn't take it? Don't worry, they are in the same damn situation with Woodson. I don't want Woodson at all. I don't remember Woodson as the reason we lost games. Maybe Rod Woodson the safety now retired. Not this overpaid chump that would expect another mardi gras at the bank.

The whole thing reeks of a stupid article by Williamson, translated by KFFL, then expounded by Zack KC without a link.

Good Grief People. Tell this Chump to worry about his own salary cap and how they will sign Surtain, throw away 12 million and still give away their high second rounder. That's going to be a really smooth move.

Sit down and shut up Zach. Burger Bill is laughed at around here. He's so far "in the loop" he resembles some Tourist in a Disneyworld Snakeline to take a 5 minute ride.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

My entire post was based on the assumption that no other team would pay him $5 million/year given his injury situation, meaning that he will have to restructure regardless of where he ends up. I thought I clearly explained that...

You said "given his injury status" as your basis for explaining your post. However, the point is his injury status is based on the perception of the other team. Of course, he says he's healthy. Of course, the Broncos will say he is healthy. He would probably pass a physical. Thus, that is a question of the team on the other end. If a team -- say Dallas -- is desperate enough to win and win now, they may take his 5 million and over look his injuries in a gamble. KC doesn't sound worried about his back if they are "reserving a space on their d-line for him" as some reports suggest. I guess what I am saying, its not a given that he is injured or that it means teams won't take a shot at him. As we have seen here with Courtney Brown, teams are willing to take those risks.

Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

If he comes back at 100%, then $5 million is a bargain. For a defensive lineman, though, any back injury is pretty serious. I highly doubt anyone would give us a decent draft pick and pay his salary--that's just too great of a risk.

I don't know. I think you are probably right, but who would have thought Minny would make the deal they did? They got robbed. There are some wondering why we would take all of Cleveland's d-line. It's tough to know what another team may do. I think if our asking price was reasonable then someone might take a chance on his health. I wonder if rumors that we will release him have hurt our chances of trading him.

Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

It still seems to me like his best option is to restructure and stay with us, though. Hopefully he ends up seeing things that way too...

I think that is the best option for the fans. He is a quality football player. However, I really sense that he and Broncos brass are done with each other. He has been a bit of an outspoken player since he arrived in Denver and he may have just worn out his welcome. His bonus money is guaranteed so he can force our hand about where he goes (or gets released) in an effort to get more money and a friendly place to play. If he gets cut, I bet another team gives him another 8 digit signing bonus, like Hayward got.

[labronco]

Originally Posted by watermock

That is spin of Burger Bills lame comments three days ago. This is all pure speculation that we wouldn't trade within the division.

Let me ask this. If Oakland gave us their high second rounder for Pryce you wouldn't take it? Don't worry, they are in the same damn situation with Woodson. I don't want Woodson at all. I don't remember Woodson as the reason we lost games. Maybe Rod Woodson the safety now retired. Not this overpaid chump that would expect another mardi gras at the bank.

The whole thing reeks of a stupid article by Williamson, translated by KFFL, then expounded by Zack KC without a link.

Good Grief People. Tell this Chump to worry about his own salary cap and how they will sign Surtain, throw away 12 million and still give away their high second rounder. That's going to be a really smooth move.

Sit down and shut up Zach. Burger Bill is laughed at around here. He's so far "in the loop" he resembles some Tourist in a Disneyworld Snakeline to take a 5 minute ride.

guess not gonna happen

[ZachKC]

Originally Posted by watermock

Good Grief People. Tell this Chump to worry about his own salary cap and how they will sign Surtain, throw away 12 million and still give away their high second rounder. That's going to be a really smooth move.

Sit down and shut up Zach. Burger Bill is laughed at around here. He's so far "in the loop" he resembles some Tourist in a Disneyworld Snakeline to take a 5 minute ride.

Watermock gets a sandy vagina over a simple thread...

Like I said...consider the source...take a deep breath or something.

[Clockwork Orange]

This is precisely why it's hard to buy into the idea that the Broncos will cut him outright. I have no doubt he'd spring up somewhere in the division, San Diego being the most likely destination in my opinion. Marty has liked Pryce for some time, plus they've got the cap space and a need at DE.

[Goobzilla]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

This is precisely why it's hard to buy into the idea that the Broncos will cut him outright. I have no doubt he'd spring up somewhere in the division, San Diego being the most likely destination in my opinion. Marty has liked Pryce for some time, plus they've got the cap space and a need at DE.

I agree! Trade him or keep him, if we cut him we can't control where he goes. If he stayed in the division I could guess who he would play his 2 best games of the year against....

[chrisp]

It strikes me as very similar to the Ian Gold story last year: the agent has convinced the player that his injury means nothing and he commands a higher value in the market than he really does. You can bet your bottom dollar that Pryce's agent advised him not to entertain the idea of restructuring with Denver, becuase another team would be happy to accomodate his salary, not having to take the bonus-money cap hit. Well, I reckon if that was true, the deal would have happened by now. Just like with Gold, however, the agent would rather chew his own arm off than admit to his client that he misjudged the market so we are on a collision course. I have a nasty feeling that Pryce will be cut at the last minute and go.....wherever (sadly, it will probably be KC ).

Of course the longer this goes on, the less likely any team is to make a deal. After all, why give something up to get a player on his current salary when in a few weeks or months he's going to be a free agent, and will probably have to sign up to whatever teams will offer him? which will be a big contract, but heavily loaded with bonuses and incentives and much, much less guaranteed money than he has currently. You do the maths....

You don't want to make division rivals better, but at the end of the day cap-management is more important. In the offseason you have to worry about getting your own house in order, and leave the worrying about the opposition untill the season kicks off (well, not literally I know, but that's the spirit of the thing!). If Pryce goes to KC we sigh, roll our eyes and then forget about it. Life's too short, and all our opponents have good players.

My gut feel is that this turns into a lose-lose situation, just like with Gold last year. The difference to the Gold situation is that Pryce never was a blue-eyed Shanny's boy so if he does something like go to a local rival, it will burn his bridges in Denver.

[TheNextStep]

I would welcome Trevor Pryce to the Silver and Black...

In.


A.


Heartbeat.

[gunns]

How could the Raiders or Chiefs afford Pryce? KC has 1.8 mil and the Raiders have 57,000.

[Maximus]

No thanks... keep him!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by gunns

How could the Raiders or Chiefs afford Pryce? KC has 1.8 mil and the Raiders have 57,000.

If we go after him I am sure we will restructure some contracts.

[TheNextStep]

Originally Posted by gunns

How could the Raiders or Chiefs afford Pryce? KC has 1.8 mil and the Raiders have 57,000.

That's what people said before we traded for Randy Moss... or signed LaMont Jordan... and so on, ad nauseum. You've heard the argument before...

Not saying that it'll happen... just saying that I wouldn't be pissed off in the slightest.

[Clockwork Orange]

The Broncos reportedly only had 1.7 million in cap space. Then matched the offer sheet to Putzier. Then added Brown, Ekuban, Myers & Dayne. Then re-signed Hape, Ellis & Pope.

Reported cap situations appear to be largely inaccurate.

[Raider Bill]

Originally Posted by gunns

How could the Raiders or Chiefs afford Pryce? KC has 1.8 mil and the Raiders have 57,000.

If he hits the open market, and Al wants him, he'll find a way.

[Goobzilla]

This is a worse gimmick than the "Jamaican" guy.

[TheDave]

What an a-hole...

[Raider Bill]

Who you gonna get to play corner KK

[orange crusher]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

The Broncos reportedly only had 1.7 million in cap space. Then matched the offer sheet to Putzier. Then added Brown, Ekuban, Myers & Dayne. Then re-signed Hape, Ellis & Pope.

Reported cap situations appear to be largely inaccurate.

I think the 1.7 was before Plummer restructured again Clockwork. I believe that saved 2M or 2.5M. Plus, Reuben's cap number came off with the acquisition of Ekuban and Myers.