msnbc.com reports the Pope has died - The Orange Mane

Borks147 · 04-02-2005, 12:07 PM

front page msnbc.com, cnn has not reported it yet

Borks147 · 04-02-2005, 12:08 PM

ok, now cbs news and cnn have reported it

Borks147 · 04-02-2005, 12:08 PM

> BREAKING NEWS

Pope John Paul II, the spiritual leader to more than 1 billion Catholics who spread his message worldwide in his 26-year papacy, has died, Vatican sources tell CNN. Details soon.

Kaylore · 04-02-2005, 12:09 PM

Nothing on the other three networks. Someone is going to have egg on their face. Fox News is saying he's still responsive, MSNBC says he's dead, drudge says he's in a coma.

...news sources.

Hercules Rockefeller · 04-02-2005, 12:09 PM

Drudge and Fox have too, CNN's website hasn't yet

Kaylore · 04-02-2005, 12:10 PM

Ok all three have him as passed away. Well there goes a good man. At least he's not suffering now and he's in a better place. My prayers to him and his followers.

Borks147 · 04-02-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Drudge and Fox have too, CNN's website hasn't yet

cnn just reported too...look above

SoCalBronco · 04-02-2005, 12:11 PM

yep just saw it on fox news. He is with God now.

SoCalBronco · 04-02-2005, 12:14 PM

its the offseason, Ozo.

Borks147 · 04-02-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ozomulsion

I don't understand why this is on the main board.

1) its an important event in the lives of 1 billion people world wide
2) we're in off season mode anyways

Borks147 · 04-02-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

its the offseason, Ozo.

even if it weren't the offseason I would hope it stayed on the main board

SoCalBronco · 04-02-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aborquez147

even if it weren't the offseason I would hope it stayed on the main board

Yep me too.

ozomulsion · 04-02-2005, 12:21 PM

OK I'll be BergerKing.

Sodak · 04-02-2005, 12:34 PM

We needed someone more mobile, a scrambler who can fit Shanny's scheme. The prototypical, pocket passer is a thing of the past. We need somebody who can move the ball when the play breaks down. Let's draft a fresh young guy we can groom the next few years. Somebody not so set in his ways...

Sodak · 04-02-2005, 01:02 PM

From MSNBC article.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7357490/page/2/

What is the procedure for electing the next pope?
Then, perhaps the most important moment after the death of the pope will be the Conclave. The Conclave is the procedure for electing the next pope. That has to happen no less than 15 days, and no more than 20 days, after the death of the pope. That is nothing less than 15 days out of respect to the previous pope, and no more than 20 days, so there is no delay in the process.

We are really dealing with a worldwide church now, so that it also gives time for cardinals to come and assemble from across the earth.

At the moment, there are 183 cardinals, or as they call them, “Princes of the Church.” Out of that number, 117 are eligible to vote for the next pope. The eligibility is based strictly on age. Since this pope came into office, he passed a church law that no one over the age of 80 can vote. At the moment, there are 66 cardinals are over the age of 80. Some of them won’t be attending the Conclave, or will be coming to the Vatican, because they are also frail or in ill health, like the pope.

So, there are 117 electors that will be choosing the next pope.

One interesting thing about the Conclave is that the word actually means "locked up" in Latin. The idea is that you lock these men up until they make a decision. The reason they had this initially was that during the Conclaves of old, the churchmen would gather together in a palace somewhere and be very comfortable – they would be fed and housed rather luxuriously. So, they would never make a decision because they weren’t interested in going anywhere else.

At one point in Italy they ran on so long -- for years -- that residents of a local village where they were staying ended up tearing off the roof of the palace to expose the cardinals to the elements and forcing them to make a decision.

So, there is some logic behind this ancient ritual. The idea is to get them to get moving because the church is without a pope, without someone sitting on the throne of St. Peter. So, the Conclave is intended to push them along in that process as delicately as possible.

What happens with the actual voting and sending out a signal via a plume of smoke out of the Vatican?
After any inconclusive vote they burn the ballots in a fireplace and add a chemical which turns the smoke black. But, if in fact they have elected a pope, then they will also burn the secret ballots, but without the chemical, and the smoke will come from the Sistine Chapel as white. That will alert the city of Rome, and indeed the world, that we have a pope.

Mind you, there have been instances in the past on an overcast day that the white smoke has looked black and people have said, "Oh, we don’t have a pope." And on other days when it’s been a dark, cloudy day, the black smoke has looked white. So, it is not a particularly fool-proof method.

It is about 15 minutes after the smoke appears that an announcement would be made on who is the next pope.

One last thing that I think is fascinating is that once the pope is elected and his name has been revealed to the College of Cardinals assembled in the Sistine Chapel, he goes to what is called the “Room of Tears.” It is a room where they have a number of different-size cassocks for the newly elected pope to put on before he meets the people of Rome and the world.

They call it the “Room of Tears” because several times newly elected popes have entered there and broken down in tears, realizing the responsibility that they have and the enormous burden they have just taken on to represent God on earth.

For many it has proved too much emotionally, momentarily, but nonetheless, too much. Subsequently, this small cloister, off the Sistine Chapel is now known unofficially among the Vatican hierarchy as the “Room of Tears.”

Crushaholic · 04-02-2005, 01:07 PM

He chose to stay in his apartment instead of going to the hospital and getting treatment. This was a brave man who was clearly ready to go home...

SpringStein · 04-02-2005, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aborquez147

its an important event in the lives of 1 billion people world wide

Truly it impacts the entire world, not only the billion Catholics. As a non-Catholic, I have loved and been grateful for Pope John Paul. He has been a person who has stood for what he believed while at the same time respecting and honoring those of other faiths.

Meck77 · 04-02-2005, 01:21 PM

RIP Pope John Paul.

I was reading this mornings Denver Post. They had a picture of Mile High Stadium when he came to Denver years ago. I wasn't here at the time but the article said there were over 90,000 people in the stadium! Almost every square inch of the field was packed with people and the stands were full!

Out of curiousity anyone around here go that day that might have some pictures? I'm a novice collector of newspapers and I'm going to snip that picture for my archives but it would be cool to have some pictures of the Pope at Mile High that I could stick on OF1 along with that newspaper clip.

FADERPROOF · 04-02-2005, 01:46 PM

RIP Pope John Paul II

This tops off a truly tragic week.

gunns · 04-02-2005, 01:47 PM

Not a Catholic but don't need to be one to respect a man who devoted himself to his religion and God. May he rest in peace. He deserves it.

Meck77 · 04-02-2005, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FADERPROOF

RIP Pope John Paul II

This tops off a truly tragic week.

I'm not sure I'd classify the Pope passing as tragic. It's sad but he lived a full live of doing what he obviously was passionate about visiting over 100 countries and speaking to millions of people along the way. I think the rest of us can only hope and

we make it into our 80's doing what we love.

FADERPROOF · 04-02-2005, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meck77

I'm not sure I'd classify the Pope passing as tragic. It's sad but he lived a full live of doing what he obviously was passionate about visiting over 100 countries and speaking to millions of people along the way. I think the rest of us can only hope and

we make it into our 80's doing what we love.

I don't want to start an argument over this because this thread is intended to be about the Pope dying, but personally I think that any death is a tragedy regardless of accomplishments and what not, someone passing away is tragic.

MT-Tdawg · 04-02-2005, 01:53 PM

A great man who faced death with dignity and courage. May he rest in peace.

Meck77 · 04-02-2005, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FADERPROOF

I don't want to start an argument over this because this thread is intended to be about the Pop dying, but personally I think that any death is a tragedy regardless of accomplishments and what not, someone passing away is tragic.

Woah.......ok just stating my opinion. Back to the topic at hand.

FADERPROOF · 04-02-2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meck77

Woah.......ok just stating my opinion. Back to the topic at hand.

Well you're not allowed to do that

Just playing man, you're allowed to state your opinion...as long as it agrees with mine.

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04-02-2005, 12:08 PM	#2
Borks147 the dude abides... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hanover NH Posts: 1,845	ok, now cbs news and cnn have reported it

04-02-2005, 12:09 PM	#4
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Nothing on the other three networks. Someone is going to have egg on their face. Fox News is saying he's still responsive, MSNBC says he's dead, drudge says he's in a coma. ...news sources.

04-02-2005, 12:09 PM	#5
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Drudge and Fox have too, CNN's website hasn't yet

04-02-2005, 12:10 PM	#6
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Ok all three have him as passed away. Well there goes a good man. At least he's not suffering now and he's in a better place. My prayers to him and his followers.

04-02-2005, 12:21 PM	#13
ozomulsion Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: The ladies man.	OK I'll be BergerKing.

04-02-2005, 12:34 PM	#14
Sodak Clueless... Who stole my avatar? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Black Hills of Dakota Posts: 3,080	We needed someone more mobile, a scrambler who can fit Shanny's scheme. The prototypical, pocket passer is a thing of the past. We need somebody who can move the ball when the play breaks down. Let's draft a fresh young guy we can groom the next few years. Somebody not so set in his ways...

04-02-2005, 01:02 PM	#15
Sodak Clueless... Who stole my avatar? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Black Hills of Dakota Posts: 3,080	From MSNBC article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7357490/page/2/ What is the procedure for electing the next pope? Then, perhaps the most important moment after the death of the pope will be the Conclave. The Conclave is the procedure for electing the next pope. That has to happen no less than 15 days, and no more than 20 days, after the death of the pope. That is nothing less than 15 days out of respect to the previous pope, and no more than 20 days, so there is no delay in the process. We are really dealing with a worldwide church now, so that it also gives time for cardinals to come and assemble from across the earth. At the moment, there are 183 cardinals, or as they call them, “Princes of the Church.” Out of that number, 117 are eligible to vote for the next pope. The eligibility is based strictly on age. Since this pope came into office, he passed a church law that no one over the age of 80 can vote. At the moment, there are 66 cardinals are over the age of 80. Some of them won’t be attending the Conclave, or will be coming to the Vatican, because they are also frail or in ill health, like the pope. So, there are 117 electors that will be choosing the next pope. One interesting thing about the Conclave is that the word actually means "locked up" in Latin. The idea is that you lock these men up until they make a decision. The reason they had this initially was that during the Conclaves of old, the churchmen would gather together in a palace somewhere and be very comfortable – they would be fed and housed rather luxuriously. So, they would never make a decision because they weren’t interested in going anywhere else. At one point in Italy they ran on so long -- for years -- that residents of a local village where they were staying ended up tearing off the roof of the palace to expose the cardinals to the elements and forcing them to make a decision. So, there is some logic behind this ancient ritual. The idea is to get them to get moving because the church is without a pope, without someone sitting on the throne of St. Peter. So, the Conclave is intended to push them along in that process as delicately as possible. What happens with the actual voting and sending out a signal via a plume of smoke out of the Vatican? After any inconclusive vote they burn the ballots in a fireplace and add a chemical which turns the smoke black. But, if in fact they have elected a pope, then they will also burn the secret ballots, but without the chemical, and the smoke will come from the Sistine Chapel as white. That will alert the city of Rome, and indeed the world, that we have a pope. Mind you, there have been instances in the past on an overcast day that the white smoke has looked black and people have said, "Oh, we don’t have a pope." And on other days when it’s been a dark, cloudy day, the black smoke has looked white. So, it is not a particularly fool-proof method. It is about 15 minutes after the smoke appears that an announcement would be made on who is the next pope. One last thing that I think is fascinating is that once the pope is elected and his name has been revealed to the College of Cardinals assembled in the Sistine Chapel, he goes to what is called the “Room of Tears.” It is a room where they have a number of different-size cassocks for the newly elected pope to put on before he meets the people of Rome and the world. They call it the “Room of Tears” because several times newly elected popes have entered there and broken down in tears, realizing the responsibility that they have and the enormous burden they have just taken on to represent God on earth. For many it has proved too much emotionally, momentarily, but nonetheless, too much. Subsequently, this small cloister, off the Sistine Chapel is now known unofficially among the Vatican hierarchy as the “Room of Tears.”

04-02-2005, 01:07 PM	#16
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,044	He chose to stay in his apartment instead of going to the hospital and getting treatment. This was a brave man who was clearly ready to go home...

04-02-2005, 01:21 PM	#18
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,312	RIP Pope John Paul. I was reading this mornings Denver Post. They had a picture of Mile High Stadium when he came to Denver years ago. I wasn't here at the time but the article said there were over 90,000 people in the stadium! Almost every square inch of the field was packed with people and the stands were full! Out of curiousity anyone around here go that day that might have some pictures? I'm a novice collector of newspapers and I'm going to snip that picture for my archives but it would be cool to have some pictures of the Pope at Mile High that I could stick on OF1 along with that newspaper clip.

04-02-2005, 01:46 PM	#19
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	RIP Pope John Paul II This tops off a truly tragic week.

04-02-2005, 01:47 PM	#20
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,661 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	Not a Catholic but don't need to be one to respect a man who devoted himself to his religion and God. May he rest in peace. He deserves it.

04-02-2005, 01:53 PM	#23
MT-Tdawg TIMAY!!! Adopt a Bronco: BIG AL #56 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 348	A great man who faced death with dignity and courage. May he rest in peace.