The Yearly Low Point For Humans - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 04-01-2005, 06:13 AM

One of them anyway. Just no reason for beating hundreds of thousands of baby animals to death.

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Blood on the ice as seal slaughter begins
Toronto
March 31, 2005

Thousands of sealers armed with clubs, rifles and spears have begun the world's largest seal hunt in the ice floes off eastern Canada.

The hunt is expected to bring the poor coastal communities about $C19 million ($A20.8 million), but has been condemned by animal rights activists as barbaric.

The contentious harp seal hunt, the target of protests since the 1960s, begins about two weeks after the seal pups are born when their fur changes from white to grey.

Animal rights activists say the pups are clubbed to death and often skinned alive, but sealers and government officials who monitor the hunt insist the pups die instantly, under strict guidelines. Regulations require that hunters ensure their prey is dead before moving on.

"It's just horrific out there. There is blood all across the ice and seal carcasses as far as the eye can see," Rebecca Aldworth of the Humane Society of the United States said from the Gulf of St Lawrence.

"We've seen seals that were moving around and breathing, that have been left in these piles, some left conscious and crawling."

Many countries, including the US, ban the importation of seal products. But the Canadian Government says the hunt brings badly needed income into its coastal communities, which earned about $C20 million last year, primarily from pelt sales to Norway, Denmark and China.

Hunters were expected to kill more than 300,000 seals by May 15, when the federal three-year plan ends, having allowed sealers to harvest 975,000 seals since 2003. A report by the International Fund for Animal Welfare said the harvest would damage the marine mammal population.

But Canada's Department of Fisheries and Oceans said the country's seal population was "healthy and abundant".

Ed Frenette, of the PEI Fishermen's Association, told CBC TV that harp seal pelts were selling at an all-time high of $C70 and that opponents of the hunt should target buyers, not fishermen who desperately need the income.

Michel Therien, a spokesman for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, said many fishing families earned only $C12,000 a year from their catches of snow crabs, lobster or cod.

"The seal fisheries is part of their livelihood," he said.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...?oneclick=true

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 04-01-2005, 06:19 AM

Jesus Christ, this has to be one of the most disturbing, sickening things I've ever seen.

These douchebags are obviously sub-human pieces of dog sh*t with no conscience whatsoever.

Mile High Shack · 04-01-2005, 06:31 AM

I'm all for hunting, but this is just wrong

Mtbrncofn · 04-01-2005, 08:17 AM

That is absolutely revolting.

How barbaric.

Arkie · 04-01-2005, 08:44 AM

A fur-trapper had the unmitigated audacity to jump up from behind my igloo and he started into whippin’ on my favorite baby seal with a lead-filled snowshoe. I said, with a lead-filled, with a lead filled snowshoe. He said, peekaboo. I said, with a lead-filled, with a lead filled snowshoe. He said, peekaboo. He went right upside the head of my favorite baby seal. He went whap with a lead-filled snowshoe, and he hit him on the nose and hit him on the fin, and that got me just about as evil as an eskimo boy can be. So I bent down and I reached down, and I scooped down and I gathered up a generous mitten-ful of the deadly yellow snow. The deadly yellow snow, from right there where the huskies go! Whereupon I proceeded to take that mittenful of the deadly yellow snow crystals and rub it all into his beady little eyes with a vigorous circular motion.

RaiderH8r · 04-01-2005, 12:04 PM

I can't support this. There, I've done it, I've agreed with LABF. Check the temp. in hell and this assures us that the Raiders will be winning the SB this year. The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse now ride....

Where's that endtimes web site robb was always pitching? I think it said something about this

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 04-01-2005, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

I can't support this. There, I've done it, I've agreed with LABF. Check the temp. in hell...

There now - that wasn't so hard, was it?

Next thing you know, you'll be agreeing with even more compassionate ideas, e.g., that Social Security isn't just "welfare for geezers," etc.

Garcia Bronco · 04-01-2005, 07:17 PM

Whats the big deal?

SoCalBronco · 04-01-2005, 07:18 PM

this is awful.

TheDave · 04-01-2005, 07:59 PM

What a buch of a-holes!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 04-01-2005, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

What a buch of a-holes!

Indeed.

Stories like these make any person of conscience want to weep.

W*GS · 04-01-2005, 09:09 PM

I suggest those who so stridently oppose this sort of thing spend a few years with the people who do it, undertaking the same livelihood as they do, and then come back and offer a more-informed opinion.

It's kind like those folks who decry slaughterhouses. Do they really think hamburger is grown on trees, plastic-wrapped tray and all?

TheDave · 04-01-2005, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W*GS

I suggest those who so stridently oppose this sort of thing spend a few years with the people who do it, undertaking the same livelihood as they do, and then come back and offer a more-informed opinion.

It's kind like those folks who decry slaughterhouses. Do they really think hamburger is grown on trees, plastic-wrapped tray and all?

Slaughter house = food

Seal Slaughter = Decrotive coat

Sorry but i see enough of a difference, that i don't need to live with them for a year to have an opinion.

Taco John · 04-02-2005, 01:54 AM

I'm amused that people who argued to kill a human in Terri Schaivo would have anything whatsoever to say about killing a stupid seal.

Yeah, I suppose it's barbaric... No more barbaric than starving someone to death.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 04-02-2005, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

I'm amused that people who argued to kill a human in Terri Schaivo would have anything whatsoever to say about killing a stupid seal.

Who decided to "kill" Terri Schiavo?

Let's see...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montag

over half of the 22 judges who heard the Schiavo case were Republicans. A couple were even Bush appointees.

As for those of us on this thread who objected to the treatment of the seals - I can probably speak for most of us in saying that we are capable of making a distinction between killing animals for profit and honoring a human being's right to die (a human being who was in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years, who was severely brain-damaged, and who stood no chance of recovery.)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 04-02-2005, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

Slaughter house = food

Seal Slaughter = Decrotive coat

The fact that W*GS needs help with this kind of distinction tells you all you need to know about his grasp of fundamental ethics.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 04-02-2005, 05:04 AM

Gotta give props where they're due:

It was a somewhat unexpected (and pleasant) surprise to see some of the conservatives on this forum take a stand against the unconscionable treatment of these animals.

For whatever it's worth, I'm impressed.

TheDave · 04-02-2005, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

I'm amused that people who argued to kill a human in Terri Schaivo would have anything whatsoever to say about killing a stupid seal.

Yeah, I suppose it's barbaric... No more barbaric than starving someone to death.

Boy, that "error on the side of life" dog and pony show, sure did a number on you.

Bronco_Beerslug · 04-02-2005, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

I'm amused that people who argued to kill a human in Terri Schaivo would have anything whatsoever to say about killing a stupid seal.

Yeah, I suppose it's barbaric... No more barbaric than starving someone to death.

Your comparison of clubing "stupid seals" to death and the Schiavo case is quite the reach. Of course, if that's all you have to try belittle 80% of the U.S. population (those who agreed that Schiavo should be able to pass on in peace like our judicial system also found) I guess all you can do is reach.

I notice how you keep harping on Schiavo being "starved to death". Since you must realize by now that this happens to thousands of people in the U.S. every year are you going to take up their causes too?

And if you really do find anthing about either case "amusing" that's a another problem that you'll have to live with.

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Spider · 04-02-2005, 06:29 AM

TJ .... you never cease to amaze me ...... you got all tripped up over the Schaivo Rodeo .... as has been pointe out I have seen people with feeding tubes removed , it isnt Starvation , But hey I guess you need the Drama atthis point and time .....
As for Clubbing baby seals ...... If there is a market for it , People will supply the goods .... I dont blame the Hunters as much as I blame the people that buy the products , if People didnt buy the fur , then these guys wouldnt get Paid , that Means they are clubbing Seals on their own time ...... Watch how fast it stops , when the money stops ......

Mtbrncofn · 04-02-2005, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

I'm amused that people who argued to kill a human in Terri Schaivo would have anything whatsoever to say about killing a stupid seal.

Yeah, I suppose it's barbaric... No more barbaric than starving someone to death.

For the record, since you chose to use barbaric which was in my post....I thought the whole Schiavo thing was barbaric too.

Man, I can't believe anyone could condone clubbing thousands of baby animals to death.

W*GS · 04-02-2005, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

The fact that W*GS needs help with this kind of distinction tells you all you need to know about his grasp of fundamental ethics.

Remember that LABF always ignores an argument just to make a cheap shot.

W*GS · 04-03-2005, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

Slaughter house = food

Seal Slaughter = Decrotive coat

Sorry but i see enough of a difference, that i don't need to live with them for a year to have an opinion.

We humans don't need to slaughter many millions of animals (including babies - think lamb and veal) just for food.

There's no more intrinsic reason to mercilessly slaughter animals for food than there is to slaughter them for clothing.

It's no less immoral for for pigs, cows, etc. to be slaughtered for your food than it is for baby seals to be clubbed to death for their fur. Where's your outrage?

W*GS · 04-03-2005, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

As for those of us on this thread who objected to the treatment of the seals - I can probably speak for most of us in saying that we are capable of making a distinction between killing animals for profit [...]

Which is more immoral? Killing animals or that it's done for profit? Suppose it wasn't done for profit. Does that make it better?

TheDave · 04-03-2005, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W*GS

We humans don't need to slaughter many millions of animals (including babies - think lamb and veal) just for food.

There's no more intrinsic reason to mercilessly slaughter animals for food than there is to slaughter them for clothing.

It's no less immoral for for pigs, cows, etc. to be slaughtered for your food than it is for baby seals to be clubbed to death for their fur. Where's your outrage?

Slaughter House = Food

Seal Slaughter = Decrotive Coat

Everyone here, but you, sees a difference in that...

04-01-2005, 06:13 AM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	The Yearly Low Point For Humans One of them anyway. Just no reason for beating hundreds of thousands of baby animals to death. ------------------------------------------- Blood on the ice as seal slaughter begins Toronto March 31, 2005 Thousands of sealers armed with clubs, rifles and spears have begun the world's largest seal hunt in the ice floes off eastern Canada. The hunt is expected to bring the poor coastal communities about $C19 million ($A20.8 million), but has been condemned by animal rights activists as barbaric. The contentious harp seal hunt, the target of protests since the 1960s, begins about two weeks after the seal pups are born when their fur changes from white to grey. Animal rights activists say the pups are clubbed to death and often skinned alive, but sealers and government officials who monitor the hunt insist the pups die instantly, under strict guidelines. Regulations require that hunters ensure their prey is dead before moving on. "It's just horrific out there. There is blood all across the ice and seal carcasses as far as the eye can see," Rebecca Aldworth of the Humane Society of the United States said from the Gulf of St Lawrence. "We've seen seals that were moving around and breathing, that have been left in these piles, some left conscious and crawling." Many countries, including the US, ban the importation of seal products. But the Canadian Government says the hunt brings badly needed income into its coastal communities, which earned about $C20 million last year, primarily from pelt sales to Norway, Denmark and China. Hunters were expected to kill more than 300,000 seals by May 15, when the federal three-year plan ends, having allowed sealers to harvest 975,000 seals since 2003. A report by the International Fund for Animal Welfare said the harvest would damage the marine mammal population. But Canada's Department of Fisheries and Oceans said the country's seal population was "healthy and abundant". Ed Frenette, of the PEI Fishermen's Association, told CBC TV that harp seal pelts were selling at an all-time high of $C70 and that opponents of the hunt should target buyers, not fishermen who desperately need the income. Michel Therien, a spokesman for the Department of Fisheries and Oceans in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, said many fishing families earned only $C12,000 a year from their catches of snow crabs, lobster or cod. "The seal fisheries is part of their livelihood," he said. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...?oneclick=true

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04-01-2005, 06:19 AM	#2
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Jesus Christ, this has to be one of the most disturbing, sickening things I've ever seen. These douchebags are obviously sub-human pieces of dog sh*t with no conscience whatsoever.

04-01-2005, 06:31 AM	#3
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	I'm all for hunting, but this is just wrong

04-01-2005, 08:17 AM	#4
Mtbrncofn Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bigfork, MT Posts: 8,558	That is absolutely revolting. How barbaric.

04-01-2005, 08:44 AM	#5
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,082 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	A fur-trapper had the unmitigated audacity to jump up from behind my igloo and he started into whippin’ on my favorite baby seal with a lead-filled snowshoe. I said, with a lead-filled, with a lead filled snowshoe. He said, peekaboo. I said, with a lead-filled, with a lead filled snowshoe. He said, peekaboo. He went right upside the head of my favorite baby seal. He went whap with a lead-filled snowshoe, and he hit him on the nose and hit him on the fin, and that got me just about as evil as an eskimo boy can be. So I bent down and I reached down, and I scooped down and I gathered up a generous mitten-ful of the deadly yellow snow. The deadly yellow snow, from right there where the huskies go! Whereupon I proceeded to take that mittenful of the deadly yellow snow crystals and rub it all into his beady little eyes with a vigorous circular motion.

04-01-2005, 12:04 PM	#6
RaiderH8r In The Bag Don't worry. Nobody's listening. Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Meth Alley Posts: 9,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: MethWolfe	I can't support this. There, I've done it, I've agreed with LABF. Check the temp. in hell and this assures us that the Raiders will be winning the SB this year. The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse now ride.... Where's that endtimes web site robb was always pitching? I think it said something about this

04-01-2005, 07:17 PM	#8
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Whats the big deal?

04-01-2005, 07:59 PM	#10
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	What a buch of a-holes!

04-01-2005, 09:09 PM	#12
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	I suggest those who so stridently oppose this sort of thing spend a few years with the people who do it, undertaking the same livelihood as they do, and then come back and offer a more-informed opinion. It's kind like those folks who decry slaughterhouses. Do they really think hamburger is grown on trees, plastic-wrapped tray and all?

04-02-2005, 01:54 AM	#14
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,706 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I'm amused that people who argued to kill a human in Terri Schaivo would have anything whatsoever to say about killing a stupid seal. Yeah, I suppose it's barbaric... No more barbaric than starving someone to death.

04-02-2005, 05:04 AM	#17
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Gotta give props where they're due: It was a somewhat unexpected (and pleasant) surprise to see some of the conservatives on this forum take a stand against the unconscionable treatment of these animals. For whatever it's worth, I'm impressed.

04-02-2005, 06:29 AM	#20
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	TJ .... you never cease to amaze me ...... you got all tripped up over the Schaivo Rodeo .... as has been pointe out I have seen people with feeding tubes removed , it isnt Starvation , But hey I guess you need the Drama atthis point and time ..... As for Clubbing baby seals ...... If there is a market for it , People will supply the goods .... I dont blame the Hunters as much as I blame the people that buy the products , if People didnt buy the fur , then these guys wouldnt get Paid , that Means they are clubbing Seals on their own time ...... Watch how fast it stops , when the money stops ......