Watching left of the Dial on HBO

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The story of Air America ................

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Damn - I missed it.

Have to catch it next time.

Viva Air America!

[Green Sunshine]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

The story of Air America ................

Speaking of HBO, I just saw HBO's story of what happened in Waco, Texas in 1993. The government was a bunch of dirty, brutal liars. It's infuriating to see how malicious the feds were.

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Originally Posted by Green Sunshine

Speaking of HBO, I just saw HBO's story of what happened in Waco, Texas in 1993. The government was a bunch of dirty, brutal liars. It's infuriating to see how malicious the feds were.

and the moral of this story is ........ Dont stock pile Ilegal weapons ....... Not realy that hard to figure out is it ?

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

and the moral of this story is ........ Dont stock pile Ilegal weapons ....... Not realy that hard to figure out is it ?

The moral of the story is that even a stock pile of weapons were no match for the Federal Resources Reno-man had at it's disposal. Gun toting lefty? How long before they decide what you tote is illegal?

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Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

The moral of the story is that even a stock pile of weapons were no match for the Federal Resources Reno-man had at it's disposal. Gun toting lefty? How long before they decide what you tote is illegal?

hmmmmm Lets see Democrats controled the Goverment for over 40 years , i have yet to have someone knock on my door and demand my guns ..... Sorry hater you wont get me sucked into that dog and Pony show , I know many of Democrats that own guns ..... That NRA crap wont wash with me ......

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

and the moral of this story is ........ Dont stock pile Ilegal weapons ....... Not realy that hard to figure out is it ?

And that's the truth

[MLB]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

i have yet to have someone knock on my door and demand my guns .....

I thought you got rid of all your guns....

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...0&postcount=75

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Originally Posted by MLB

I thought you got rid of all your guns....

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...0&postcount=75

you dumb ass of course I did , cause of my Kids , But I had guns before Kids , and noone asked for my guns back then ..... What did you think i have had kids all of my life ?
you right wing a-holes are all the same

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

and the moral of this story is ........ Dont stock pile Ilegal weapons ....... Not realy that hard to figure out is it ?

It's not clear that the weapons the Branch Davidians had were illegal.

Certainly gassing and burning children to death isn't the way to solve the alleged problem. Or do you think the government was 100% justified and correct in what they did?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Green Sunshine

Speaking of HBO, I just saw HBO's story of what happened in Waco, Texas in 1993. The government was a bunch of dirty, brutal liars. It's infuriating to see how malicious the feds were.

Wait a sec - that whole thing occurred under a Democrat, Clinton specifically, and we've been assured time and again by LABF that only the Republicans do such evil things.

Who's the liar, then? LABF or Green Sunshine?

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Originally Posted by W*GS

It's not clear that the weapons the Branch Davidians had were illegal.

Certainly gassing and burning children to death isn't the way to solve the alleged problem. Or do you think the government was 100% justified and correct in what they did?

David Koresh should have Put the Children out , where they wouldnt get hurt .....
So yes I do think the Goverment was in the right ..... It is Clear the Branch Diviadians open fire on Agents serving warrents , after that anything goes ....
If the Branch Daviadians were Innocent of the Charges , then they go to court , and fight it out there ......
We are a Nation of laws , We have to enforce those laws , we cant let every crack pot , hold up and shoot at law enforcement officals .......
Just like in the Ruby Ridge case , if you dont want the Goverment shooting at you .. Dont shoot at the Agents ..... Realy it is common sense

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

David Koresh should have Put the Children out , where they wouldnt get hurt .....

You'd trust the same people how had just shot the hell out of your house that your kids would be safe with them?

Originally Posted by §Pide®

So yes I do think the Goverment was in the right

A lot of the immolated children were found with their spinal columns folded almost in half - backwards. That's the result of lethal levels of the gassing agent the government used - which, when it was being injected, the government said it wasn't attacking. We put McVeigh to death, rightly, in part for killing children at OKC. More children died at Waco - yet no-one has suffered the ultimate penalty for that crime. Why? Because of people like you who excuse the government - based on the government's lies.

Originally Posted by §Pide®

..... It is Clear the Branch Diviadians open fire on Agents serving warrents , after that anything goes ....

The entire case by the government against the Davidians was built on lies. Do you deny that?

Originally Posted by §Pide®

If the Branch Daviadians were Innocent of the Charges , then they go to court , and fight it out there ......

The surviving Davidians did go to court - and were completely and totally exonerated on every charge the government levelled against them. In fact, the jurors in every case were horrified at what the government did, and were ashamed.

Originally Posted by §Pide®

We are a Nation of laws , We have to enforce those laws , we cant let every crack pot , hold up and shoot at law enforcement officals .......

What about when LEOs are acting illegally and immorally, as the cases of Waco and Ruby Ridge illustrated? Does the mere allegation by the government of of criminal behavior by a citizen mean that LEOs can do anything they want in any manner? What if those allegations are lies, also as proven in both cases?

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Just like in the Ruby Ridge case , if you dont want the Goverment shooting at you .. Dont shoot at the Agents ..... Realy it is common sense

Yeah - just let them kill you and thus the truth of their illegal and immoral actions dies with you.

A more disgusting rationalization for tyranny would be difficult to find.

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Originally Posted by W*GS

You'd trust the same people how had just shot the hell out of your house that your kids would be safe with them?

....... Love the drama , but you know as well as I do that the Branch Davidians fired first , and that the Law Officials wouldnt have killed the Kids ...... No wonder you are LABF's favorite chew toy , you got some Drama queen in you .....

A lot of the immolated children were found with their spinal columns folded almost in half - backwards. That's the result of lethal levels of the gassing agent the government used - which, when it was being injected, the government said it wasn't attacking. We put McVeigh to death, rightly, in patr for killing children at OKC. More children died at Waco - yet no-one has suffered the ultimate penalty for that crime. Why? Because of people like you who excuse the government - based on the government's lies.

Based on goverment lies ?
I call Bullshiat on this one , saw the video like everyone else did , the Branch Davidians open fire first

The entire case by the government against the Davidians was built on lies. Do you deny that?

Sure do , Problem is , you know I am right , but I have got under your skin so now you are grasping @ Strawmen to stay in the game ....... even if it was lies, it would have came out in the court of law . the Branch Daviadians actions in this Shouts guilty ......

The surviving Davidians did go to court - and were completely and totally exonerated on every charge the government levelled against them. In fact, the jurors in every case were horrified at what the government did, and were ashamed.

The surviving ones wernt under Inditement , David Koresh was , Those that actually fired on the agents were dead ...... Nice try though .. oh as far as the Jurors being Horrified and a Ashamed , they should have Been Horrified @ Koresh for dodging a warrent and hiding behind women and Children ......

What about when LEOs are acting illegally and immorally, as the cases of Waco and Ruby Ridge illustrated? Does the mere allegation by the government of of criminal behavior by a citizen mean that LEOs can do anything they want in any manner? What if those allegations are lies, also as proven in both cases?

I dont play what if games ....... But if a LEO is acting illegaly , he will be Punished , See W*GS is isnt my fault if you are being stupid and get put in that situation , for example if a cop pulls me over here in Casper on a Dark Street , I slow down turn on my Hazzards , and pull into a Brightly lit parking lot were there are People ... Use your head for somthing besides a Hatrack ....

Yeah - just let them kill you and thus the truth of their illegal and immoral actions dies with you.

you dope , I dont put my Family or myself in these Positions ........

A more disgusting rationalization for tyranny would be difficult to find.

only a Idiot would call obeying the law of the Land tyranny ......

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

....... Love the drama , but you know as well as I do that the Branch Davidians fired first , and that the Law Officials wouldnt have killed the Kids ......

The government's entire case against the Davidians was based on lies and deceit. Why are you covering for neo-fascist tyranny? Because you don't care when innocent children are murdered?

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Based on goverment lies ?

What was the government's case against the Davidians? That they were drug dealers? Wrong. That the children were abused? Gassing and immolating children is the way to protect them, eh? That they had illegal weapons? Wrong.

What was the reason for the BATF attack? It was appropriations time in Congress, and the BATF wanted to show that they had some serious firepower at their disposal and picked the Davidians as an example of how they could kick ass, so they would get more money. Everything that came after was a rationalization.

Originally Posted by §Pide®

even if it was lies, it would have came out in the court of law . the Branch Daviadians actions in this Shouts guilty ....

The courts have disagreed - every Davidian charged with a crime has been found completely innocent. And in every case, the jurors said it was the government that should have been on trial - and every criminal act was by an agent of the government.

Originally Posted by §Pide®

The surviving ones wernt under Inditement , David Koresh was , Those that actually fired on the agents were dead ...... Nice try though

Every surviving Branch Davidian was tried for the deaths of the federal agents who died. Every single one was completely exonerated.

No federal agent has ever been charged with murder for the deaths of those children. Why? And why do you condone child-killers? Because they claim to be obeying the law? The trials of the Davidians disproved that completely

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I dont play what if games ....... But if a LEO is acting illegaly , he will be Punished

Just how naive are you? Quite, I'd say.

Ever hear the phrase "driving while black"?

Originally Posted by §Pide®

you dope , I dont put my Family or myself in these Positions ........

Since when is living in your home and minding your own business a crime?

Originally Posted by §Pide®

only a Idiot would call obeying the law of the Land tyranny ......

You assume that the "law of the Land" is moral. That's unwarranted - particularly in the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by W*GS

The entire case by the government against the Davidians was built on lies. Do you deny that?

Your entire case against the government is based on nothing but lies, bullsh*t, speculation, and conspiracy theory nonsense.

Everytime you try to defend your hero Koresh you embarrass yourself further.

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Originally Posted by W*GS

The government's entire case against the Davidians was based on lies and deceit. Why are you covering for neo-fascist tyranny? Because you don't care when innocent children are murdered?



What was the government's case against the Davidians? That they were drug dealers? Wrong. That the children were abused? Gassing and immolating children is the way to protect them, eh? That they had illegal weapons? Wrong.

What was the reason for the BATF attack? It was appropriations time in Congress, and the BATF wanted to show that they had some serious firepower at their disposal and picked the Davidians as an example of how they could kick ass, so they would get more money. Everything that came after was a rationalization.



The courts have disagreed - every Davidian charged with a crime has been found completely innocent. And in every case, the jurors said it was the government that should have been on trial - and every criminal act was by an agent of the government.



Every surviving Branch Davidian was tried for the deaths of the federal agents who died. Every single one was completely exonerated.

No federal agent has ever been charged with murder for the deaths of those children. Why? And why do you condone child-killers? Because they claim to be obeying the law? The trials of the Davidians disproved that completely



Just how naive are you? Quite, I'd say.

Ever hear the phrase "driving while black"?



Since when is living in your home and minding your own business a crime?



You assume that the "law of the Land" is moral. That's unwarranted - particularly in the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents.

W*GS you have to be one of the biggest Idiots I have ever met ........
The concept of putting yourself in that postion simply eludes you .....
In your own little world , you have this romantic Idea , that the goverment swoops dow on innocent people very day , and kill them cause the Goverment has nothing better to do that day .....
your are to idotic to argue with , your entire argumnet is based on assumption , that you take as fact

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Your entire case against the government is based on nothing but lies, bullsh*t, speculation, and conspiracy theory nonsense.

Thus says the resident liar and bull****ter. You've really got no place to complain or comment, bub.

You're just covering for Reno and the child murderers that Clinton did nothing to prosecute, because you won't hear the truth.

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Everytime you try to defend your hero Koresh you embarrass yourself further.

You can't even see how embarassing your comments are to your own cred.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

W*GS you have to be one of the biggest Idiots I have ever met ........

You're speaking from near-total ignorance of what happened at Waco.

You prattle on and on about how all we need to do is "obey the law" and that means we're safe. That is sheer idiocy. You haven't provided one teeny bit of evidence that the Davidians were violating any law that justitified the military-style attack of dozens of BATF agents, and the final chemical-weapons attack - on civilians (children!) no less.

Originally Posted by §Pide®

In your own little world , you have this romantic Idea , that the goverment swoops dow on innocent people very day , and kill them cause the Goverment has nothing better to do that day .....

In the case of what happened at Waco, that pretty much describes it. The BATF wanted to show off how big their balls were (to get more $$$) by making an example of the Davidians. Their overall incompetence and criminal behavior, as well as that of the FBI, led directly to the deaths of more children than died at OKC.

Why do you excuse child-killers? Your moral sense is sick.

Originally Posted by §Pide®

your are to idotic to argue with , your entire argumnet is based on assumption , that you take as fact

You haven't countered one single argument I've made. All you say is "obey the law and everything will be OK". That's bull****.

[MistrSynistr]

Originally Posted by W*GS

You'd trust the same people how had just shot the hell out of your house that your kids would be safe with them?



A lot of the immolated children were found with their spinal columns folded almost in half - backwards. That's the result of lethal levels of the gassing agent the government used - which, when it was being injected, the government said it wasn't attacking. We put McVeigh to death, rightly, in part for killing children at OKC. More children died at Waco - yet no-one has suffered the ultimate penalty for that crime. Why? Because of people like you who excuse the government - based on the government's lies.



The entire case by the government against the Davidians was built on lies. Do you deny that?



The surviving Davidians did go to court - and were completely and totally exonerated on every charge the government levelled against them. In fact, the jurors in every case were horrified at what the government did, and were ashamed.



What about when LEOs are acting illegally and immorally, as the cases of Waco and Ruby Ridge illustrated? Does the mere allegation by the government of of criminal behavior by a citizen mean that LEOs can do anything they want in any manner? What if those allegations are lies, also as proven in both cases?



Yeah - just let them kill you and thus the truth of their illegal and immoral actions dies with you.

A more disgusting rationalization for tyranny would be difficult to find.

MARK THIS DOWN.

I find myself completely and totally agreeing with W*GS here.

I'm trying to comprehend it as we speak. Perhaps he copy/pasted this reply from someone else on the board...I have no idea.

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[QUOTE=W*GS]You're speaking from near-total ignorance of what happened at Waco.[quote]
Not hardly ......

You prattle on and on about how all we need to do is "obey the law" and that means we're safe. That is sheer idiocy. You haven't provided one teeny bit of evidence that the Davidians were violating any law that justitified the military-style attack of dozens of BATF agents, and the final chemical-weapons attack - on civilians (children!) no less.

Well dont stock up and Illegal weapons , and dont fire @ federal agents for starters



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n the case of what happened at Waco, that pretty much describes it. The BATF wanted to show off how big their balls were (to get more $$$) by making an example of the Davidians. Their overall incompetence and criminal behavior, as well as that of the FBI, led directly to the deaths of more children than died at OKC.

Figures you would find away to defend McViegh and company .....

Why do you excuse child-killers? Your moral sense is sick.

I dont , I have yet to defend Koresh who used Children as a Shield , you on the other hand defend him ....... think about it

You haven't countered one single argument I've made. All you say is "obey the law and everything will be OK". That's bull****.

Tell you what , you stock pile all of the Illegal weapons , you want , Fire on Agents comming up to your door , Just dont come here crying when you get shot up ........

[Rascal]

I agree with Wigs on this issue as well.

I was with the government on this till the facts in trial came out. That every one of them was exonerated and how some of those children died from massive amounts of gassing when the gov't said they didn't use it.

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Originally Posted by Rascal

I agree with Wigs on this issue as well.

I was with the government on this till the facts in trial came out. That every one of them was exonerated and how some of those children died from massive amounts of gassing when the gov't said they didn't use it.

My entire point is , all Koresh had to do was surrender to BATF , and go to court , the point everyone is missing is , the Davidians fired the first volley ....
you cant let every crack pot hold up and have a shoot out ......

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If Koresh cared for those Kids , he never would have started a gun fight with the goverment , or send the Kids out ........

[Rascal]

I agree Koresh was far from innocent and a major contributor to that bloody day.

What I'm saying is that the gov't went overboard in its use of force (using gas on our civilians and tanks!?!?!?!?), lied to us, and then let everyone walk who helped in the killing of some of those involved who were innocent (such as the children).

This will open a can of worms but Janet Reno and others should be in jail. Of course some would say Bush should be in jail but that's a different discussion