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RocBronc · 04-05-2005, 02:06 PM

Whether he should or not, I think that Jones is Shanahan's type of player... Outside of Al Wilson, everyone of those first round picks were, high upside, very good athelete type guys. I would not be surprised if we took Jones at 25...

Mr. Trout · 04-06-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RocBronc

Whether he should or not, I think that Jones is Shanahan's type of player... Outside of Al Wilson, everyone of those first round picks were, high upside, very good athelete type guys. I would not be surprised if we took Jones at 25...

I just saw a mock draft with us taking him at 25. Who knows, Shanahan might pull the trigger on him. I know he won't get out of the first round.

Mr. Trout · 04-06-2005, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosko

Matt did some punt returning and long snapping during senior bowl week. He played some safety in High School. Jack-of-all-trades.

If somwbody puts him at safety he would be a ballhawk and lower the boom on some guys.

Broncoblood · 04-06-2005, 09:19 AM

I never really even got to see him play and yes hype is a huge disadvantage for coaching staffs when draft day rolls around, but after hearing and reading in various differents sites about this guy, the word hype can be ruled out. This guy is a stud, I have never really seen a player who isn't even a top ten mock draft prospect get the kind of exposure and ink this guy is getting. We've got the DL in order, we can go after a OL in the latter rounds. We are in the perfect position to take a chance on this guy. We're gonna be damn good (knock on wood) so what the hell, why not take a chance on this guy. Not many teams can say that, we can so do it!!!

GO BRONCOS!!!

Tombstone RJ · 04-06-2005, 09:29 AM

I was at the Texas/Arkansas game in Fayetteville.

Matt Jones is for real.

Needa Pass Rush · 04-06-2005, 10:10 AM

Matt Jones
Jones
Robinson was the Texas defensive coordinator last season when the Longhorns pulled out a 22-20 decision over Arkansas. Jones, then a quarterback projected to receiver or H-back, is the freak athlete of this draft at 6-6, 242 with a 4.40 electronically-timed 40 at the NFL combine.

"First of all," said Robinson, "Matt Jones is a tremendous athlete. On any given play, he can go 70 yards. How many guys can you ever say that about? Anybody who says they don't see his speed, his explosiveness, or whatever, they haven't been paying attention. This guy can do anything he wants, as far as I'm concerned."

Robinson said he sensed doubt about Jones when he visited with the media that week, including ESPN, which broadcast the Texas-Arkansas game.

"Somebody asked me if I thought [Jones] had a future in the pro game," said Robinson. "I told them that all I know, when everybody in the NFL starts figuring him out, they're going to like this guy a lot. What upside. He scared me to death. He can change a game at any moment. And the one thing I realized in preparation ... watching tape from the Kentucky game [seven overtimes] the year before and then having played him, I can tell you that he is an ultra-competitive athlete. He loves to compete, that's for sure."

Needa Pass Rush · 04-06-2005, 10:24 AM

Could you imagine a 3 wide set with Jones, Lelie and Smith/Watts (anyone remember the show "Alias Smith and Jones"?) You run an end-around with Jones while the other boys streak. Jones either makes a run or throws the deep dart. Shanahan would have a field day with Jones' matchup options.

Sprout · 04-06-2005, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Needa Pass Rush

You run an end-around with Jones while the other boys streak. Jones either makes a run or throws the deep dart. Shanahan would have a field day with Jones' matchup options.

That's the kind of thing I was thinking as I was reading the rest of thread. It sounds like this guy could be put in some situations that would be real fun to watch. Have him take a stab downfield a couple times and that end-around becomes a threat instead of the wasted down it seemed to be last season.

Is it worth a 1st rounder? I don't know - hopefully whoever takes him is thinking of these kinds of twists.

Dr. Broncenstein · 04-06-2005, 04:46 PM

Someone will take their chances on him with a first round pick.... I think he is most dangerous as a quarterback, simply because the ball is in his hands on every snap. I can't remember how many times I've seen him take off on a broken play for a long touchdown. He would take some time to develop into a full-time pro qb. In the meantime, just get him the damn ball in any way possible.

Mr. Trout · 04-06-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Needa Pass Rush

Could you imagine a 3 wide set with Jones, Lelie and Smith/Watts (anyone remember the show "Alias Smith and Jones"?) You run an end-around with Jones while the other boys streak. Jones either makes a run or throws the deep dart. Shanahan would have a field day with Jones' matchup options.

That would definitely be awesome...Jones throwing a bomb to Lelie or Rod.

Arkie · 04-07-2005, 06:42 AM

NFL. com’s Pat Kirwan wrote, "This may be the year to look at an ‘X’ QB who is 6-6, 242 pounds with a sub-4.4 40 and practically a 40-inch vertical, which Jones developed by playing basketball for the Razorbacks, and say he’s the best prospect after the top 16 players."

Sports Illustrated’s Peter King recently mused that Jones could be picked by St. Louis (No. 19) or Pittsburgh (No. 30). Mike Martz has a penchant for trickeration, which will be right up Jones’ alley. Jones is tall, quick and athletic. He can run fast, jump high, play physical and catch the ball in traffic. What NFL team doesn’t need a guy like that?

Mr. Trout · 04-07-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bosko

NFL. com’s Pat Kirwan wrote, "This may be the year to look at an ‘X’ QB who is 6-6, 242 pounds with a sub-4.4 40 and practically a 40-inch vertical, which Jones developed by playing basketball for the Razorbacks, and say he’s the best prospect after the top 16 players."

Sports Illustrated’s Peter King recently mused that Jones could be picked by St. Louis (No. 19) or Pittsburgh (No. 30). Mike Martz has a penchant for trickeration, which will be right up Jones’ alley. Jones is tall, quick and athletic. He can run fast, jump high, play physical and catch the ball in traffic. What NFL team doesn’t need a guy like that?

Interesting...He could really do some damage in St. Louis' offense. I think the Rams will take Khalif Barnes if he is there though.

t-diggity · 04-07-2005, 10:34 AM

It's official.. the hype machine is out of control...

Play2win · 04-07-2005, 04:25 PM

Yeah, but can he catch the rock, in traffic and under pressure at the speed of the pro game?!?

SoCalBronco · 04-07-2005, 04:37 PM

ok Bosko, im buying the Kool Aid. If he is there at 56, nab him.

ØrangeÇrush · 04-07-2005, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by t-diggity

Mobley started all 16 games his rookie season, Lelie was the #3 WR, Al Wilson started the last 12 games (playing in all 16)... get the point? The only 1st rounders that Shanahan sat were Trev Pryce and Marcus Nash. Pryce sat and learned because the team was a the Super Bowl Champ, and had lots of depth on the D Line. Nash sat because he sucked.

George Foster was taken because he had the talent to go much higher than he did, but he was injured. The same was said for Middlebrooks. Matt Jones has potential and is a great athlete. You don't get blue chippers in the bottom half of the first round unless their injured, or because they need time to develop. Matt Jones has a first round talent, and we aren't completely bare in the WR cupboard. If he is the BPA at our pick, I wouldn't mind seeing him taken. Shanahan openly covets speed, and Matt Jones has it..in bunches. Personally, I think he goes in the middle 2nd round, but I wouldn't really be too pissed off if we took him, ONLY IF there were no great DT/DE available. Warren is basically a one year rental, and Pryce will go next year if he proves to the league that he's still effective. Brown and I think has a voidable deal if he meets certain incentives. Only Ekuban is here for the long run.

Arkie · 04-07-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Play2Win

Yeah, but can he catch the rock, in traffic and under pressure at the speed of the pro game?!?

I bet he will catch the rock, in the traffic, and around the clock. He's at his best under pressure because he has icewater in his veins. He's the only QB to win a 7-overtime game (he's won two.) He won the SEC West on a 81 yard 39 second drive. He took a mediocre team to 3 bowls. He hates to lose, he's athletic, and he's cool under pressure (some are calling him aloof.) He's many Razorback fans' alltime favorite player. Arkansas doesn't get much national media, so it was like he was in the anti-hype machine. Now he is getting national exposure, and it's being called hype. The great ones will live up to all the hype. At least his upside is as high as anybody else in this draft. That's worth the 25th pick.

Broncocase · 04-07-2005, 07:37 PM

I would say there is a pretty good comparison to #7 in some ways here. Jones is that rare type of playmaker that you are forced to watch until the very end because it is not over with him until the gameclock reads 0.0.

The Razorbacks were absolutely awful in 04 - inept coaching, embarassing defense and NO tailbacks, yet Matt made the whole thing a one man show and somehow got that crappy team to 5 wins and damn near 7+ wins had it not been for him pressing too hard to make plays all by himself. He forced his luck on a couple of plays or else the Hogs beat FL and SC on the road. The TX win was sheer luck for the Horns as the Hogs had them beat - again, Matt was running around out there when he probably should of taken the sack and let the FG kicker do his job. He worked under a coach who really didn't design any plays to take advantage of his skills like the MO coach did with Brad Smith or the TX coach does with Young.

The only thing keeping Matt from being a helluva qb in the pros is that screwed up shoulder - with Kubiak and Shanahan giving him real qb development, you never know. As a wr, he could eventually be a great replacement for Rod. I personally don't see the D for him though - way too laid back of a personality to be some kind of headhunter.

~Crash~ · 04-07-2005, 11:03 PM

Well for you guys still on the fence with the Jones pickthink it like this Matt Jones Iis a TD Macine the best in the Nation the last few years! we have the worst Red zone O I have ever seen last year !

Play2win · 04-08-2005, 04:29 AM

Well, I am still not sold without solid receiving skills. I would need more hard evidence that the kid can catch the rock in the very harsh environment of the NFL. Not just somebody's inclination that they think he make grabs on the big stage. I am just going to hold my judgement on this until I see something concrete. I definitely would stay away in the first round.

Play2win · 04-08-2005, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 56crash

Well for you guys still on the fence with the Jones pickthink it like this Matt Jones Iis a TD Macine the best in the Nation the last few years! we have the worst Red zone O I have ever seen last year !

Yeah, but that was with his Throwing, not catching. You can't substitute one with the other, and say, there the same thing. Especially not in the Pro game. I'll beleive it when I see it.

~Crash~ · 04-08-2005, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Play2Win

Yeah, but that was with his Throwing, not catching. You can't substitute one with the other, and say, there the same thing. Especially not in the Pro game. I'll beleive it when I see it.

nope not true he caught a TD in the senior bowl...surprise surprise. In college he did it running first passi9ng second . also if you watch NFL networks they have plenty of film on him durring the senior bowl and all of them are wowed buy it !!! also this guy is a football player not an athlete ! I bet the team that gets him will have a TD machine and a clutch player !

and if you think I am a homer try again ! I am a BSU Bronco fan !!! I watched parts of four arkansas games . I watched all of 6 games of BSU !

GO BSU !!!

Play2win · 04-08-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 56crash

nope not true he caught a TD in the senior bowl...surprise surprise. In college he did it running first passi9ng second . also if you watch NFL networks they have plenty of film on him durring the senior bowl and all of them are wowed buy it !!! also this guy is a football player not an athlete ! I bet the team that gets him will have a TD machine and a clutch player !

and if you think I am a homer try again ! I am a BSU Bronco fan !!! I watched parts of four arkansas games . I watched all of 6 games of BSU !

GO BSU !!!

Like I said, I believe it when I see it. The Senior Bowl is a showcase bowl, and I love watching it. But its not true competition or a honest representation of player, their skill and ability to succeed in a game time situation. Especially the NFL. Now as a QB that would be different, but Like I said, as far as him being a receiver, I'll believe it when I see it.

SoCalBronco · 04-08-2005, 04:49 PM

PFT is now saying that their sources are telling them that Chicago is poised to take him at No. 39 if he is still there.

wabbit · 04-11-2005, 12:06 AM

Boy, I'm gonna tell ya, that would be a spectacular move by Chicago...they desperately need anyone who can flex some real muscle on their offense...and this is the guy.

I'd love to see him in Denver, but I'm guessing...as apparently are many draftniks...he won't last beyond the first half of the second round.

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SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,311 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	PFT is now saying that their sources are telling them that Chicago is poised to take him at No. 39 if he is still there. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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04-05-2005, 02:06 PM	#26
RocBronc Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 540	Whether he should or not, I think that Jones is Shanahan's type of player... Outside of Al Wilson, everyone of those first round picks were, high upside, very good athelete type guys. I would not be surprised if we took Jones at 25...

04-06-2005, 09:19 AM	#29
Broncoblood Elway-4-Pres!! chicks dig scares Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wiley,Co. Posts: 87	I never really even got to see him play and yes hype is a huge disadvantage for coaching staffs when draft day rolls around, but after hearing and reading in various differents sites about this guy, the word hype can be ruled out. This guy is a stud, I have never really seen a player who isn't even a top ten mock draft prospect get the kind of exposure and ink this guy is getting. We've got the DL in order, we can go after a OL in the latter rounds. We are in the perfect position to take a chance on this guy. We're gonna be damn good (knock on wood) so what the hell, why not take a chance on this guy. Not many teams can say that, we can so do it!!! GO BRONCOS!!!

04-06-2005, 09:29 AM	#30
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,299 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	I was at the Texas/Arkansas game in Fayetteville. Matt Jones is for real.

04-06-2005, 10:10 AM	#31
Needa Pass Rush Never say Always Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,211	Matt Jones Jones Robinson was the Texas defensive coordinator last season when the Longhorns pulled out a 22-20 decision over Arkansas. Jones, then a quarterback projected to receiver or H-back, is the freak athlete of this draft at 6-6, 242 with a 4.40 electronically-timed 40 at the NFL combine. "First of all," said Robinson, "Matt Jones is a tremendous athlete. On any given play, he can go 70 yards. How many guys can you ever say that about? Anybody who says they don't see his speed, his explosiveness, or whatever, they haven't been paying attention. This guy can do anything he wants, as far as I'm concerned." Robinson said he sensed doubt about Jones when he visited with the media that week, including ESPN, which broadcast the Texas-Arkansas game. "Somebody asked me if I thought [Jones] had a future in the pro game," said Robinson. "I told them that all I know, when everybody in the NFL starts figuring him out, they're going to like this guy a lot. What upside. He scared me to death. He can change a game at any moment. And the one thing I realized in preparation ... watching tape from the Kentucky game [seven overtimes] the year before and then having played him, I can tell you that he is an ultra-competitive athlete. He loves to compete, that's for sure."

04-06-2005, 10:24 AM	#32
Needa Pass Rush Never say Always Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,211	Could you imagine a 3 wide set with Jones, Lelie and Smith/Watts (anyone remember the show "Alias Smith and Jones"?) You run an end-around with Jones while the other boys streak. Jones either makes a run or throws the deep dart. Shanahan would have a field day with Jones' matchup options.

04-06-2005, 04:46 PM	#34
Dr. Broncenstein Overdriven Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Sterile Fields Posts: 11,622 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Woodyard	Someone will take their chances on him with a first round pick.... I think he is most dangerous as a quarterback, simply because the ball is in his hands on every snap. I can't remember how many times I've seen him take off on a broken play for a long touchdown. He would take some time to develop into a full-time pro qb. In the meantime, just get him the damn ball in any way possible.

04-07-2005, 06:42 AM	#36
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,083 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	NFL. com’s Pat Kirwan wrote, "This may be the year to look at an ‘X’ QB who is 6-6, 242 pounds with a sub-4.4 40 and practically a 40-inch vertical, which Jones developed by playing basketball for the Razorbacks, and say he’s the best prospect after the top 16 players." Sports Illustrated’s Peter King recently mused that Jones could be picked by St. Louis (No. 19) or Pittsburgh (No. 30). Mike Martz has a penchant for trickeration, which will be right up Jones’ alley. Jones is tall, quick and athletic. He can run fast, jump high, play physical and catch the ball in traffic. What NFL team doesn’t need a guy like that?

04-07-2005, 10:34 AM	#38
t-diggity Fresh Meat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 37	It's official.. the hype machine is out of control...

04-07-2005, 04:25 PM	#39
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	Yeah, but can he catch the rock, in traffic and under pressure at the speed of the pro game?!?

04-07-2005, 07:37 PM	#43
Broncocase Just Drafted woo pig sooie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5	I would say there is a pretty good comparison to #7 in some ways here. Jones is that rare type of playmaker that you are forced to watch until the very end because it is not over with him until the gameclock reads 0.0. The Razorbacks were absolutely awful in 04 - inept coaching, embarassing defense and NO tailbacks, yet Matt made the whole thing a one man show and somehow got that crappy team to 5 wins and damn near 7+ wins had it not been for him pressing too hard to make plays all by himself. He forced his luck on a couple of plays or else the Hogs beat FL and SC on the road. The TX win was sheer luck for the Horns as the Hogs had them beat - again, Matt was running around out there when he probably should of taken the sack and let the FG kicker do his job. He worked under a coach who really didn't design any plays to take advantage of his skills like the MO coach did with Brad Smith or the TX coach does with Young. The only thing keeping Matt from being a helluva qb in the pros is that screwed up shoulder - with Kubiak and Shanahan giving him real qb development, you never know. As a wr, he could eventually be a great replacement for Rod. I personally don't see the D for him though - way too laid back of a personality to be some kind of headhunter.

04-07-2005, 11:03 PM	#44
~Crash~ My new dog Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,600 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kuper	Well for you guys still on the fence with the Jones pickthink it like this Matt Jones Iis a TD Macine the best in the Nation the last few years! we have the worst Red zone O I have ever seen last year !

04-08-2005, 04:29 AM	#45
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	Well, I am still not sold without solid receiving skills. I would need more hard evidence that the kid can catch the rock in the very harsh environment of the NFL. Not just somebody's inclination that they think he make grabs on the big stage. I am just going to hold my judgement on this until I see something concrete. I definitely would stay away in the first round.