FYI/If you care/ Raiders to run more 4-3 - The Orange Mane

Raider Bill · 03-28-2005, 07:10 PM

Oakland to run more 4-3 this upcoming season

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Raiders coach Norv Turner intimated that he expects defensive coordinator Rob Ryan to employ more of a 4-3 base alignment this season, after a dismal season experimenting with the 3-4 in 2004. Turner said he doesn't envision the Raiders abandoning the 3-4 altogether, just that he wants Ryan to take advantage of his players' skills. In short, that means moving Warren Sapp back to tackle on the heels of his flopping at right end, moving Tyler Brayton back to end after he struggled in a linebacker-type role, and using a lineup that features Sapp and Ted Washington at tackle, with Derrick Burgess and Brayton at ends, when Bobby Hamilton isn't in the game. This shift in philosophy makes perfect sense, especially given Sapp's and Brayton's struggles last season and Oakland's dearth of standout linebackers

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broncos love · 03-28-2005, 08:06 PM

It looks like to me the radiers have totally abanded the defense in order to get the offense and they will get murdered against the patriots on the first game. Kerry Collins is just like Drew Bledsoe, when the pocket collaps they get nervous , but the radiers have good ol so it will be interesting to see how the radiers are this year.

Sir Mawn · 03-28-2005, 08:12 PM

Overlooking your defense? Ask Dick Vermeil...

Tombstone RJ · 03-28-2005, 08:13 PM

At least the faid know how to use their talent, that is, Turner knows how to use the talent he has. Instead of cramming a square peg into a round hole, ala Shanny and his yes-men, he realizes that his LB corps is weak, and is using more 4-3.

Shanahan, on the other hand, has to be kicked and pushed into using his talent. The Broncos should have been using a base 3-4 for the past 3 years (maybe more). All they Broncos needed was a true NT. They already had Pryce and a few other good defensive lineman to make it work.

Well, now, the Broncos are just starting to realize their LB depth and their dline weakness... it only took 5+ years or so...

broncos love · 03-28-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by njbil

Oakland to run more 4-3 this upcoming season

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I wish u wouldnt show that highlight man, because that kills me because i was on that end zone when that happened and it was my first denver bronco home game to watch. Dam i Hate the Radiers but it was a fun expierence.

Maximus · 03-28-2005, 08:18 PM

The whole 3-4 thing is nothing more than a fad... only a couple of teams run it well... now everyone wants to copy

I'm glad we're coming to our senses. Warren Sapp, Tyler Brayton, Gbaja Biamilla and others played out of position all last season!

Tombstone RJ · 03-28-2005, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximus

The whole 3-4 thing is nothing more than a fad... only a couple of teams run it well... now everyone wants to copy

I'm glad we're coming to our senses. Warren Sapp, Tyler Brayton, Gbaja Biamilla and others played out of position all last season!

Regardless, you shape your offense and your defense around the talent you have. Shanahan just doesn't seem to understand this. He keeps bringing in questionable FAs on the dline and he keeps drafting mediocre defensive line talent, hoping to build a great defensive line.

Go with your strengths... that is what the faid is doing. That is what the Broncos should have done a long time ago.

The 3-4 is not a fad, if your talent is suited to the system. Same with the 4-3.

Raider Bill · 03-28-2005, 08:30 PM

Looks like we signed Kenny Smith.. DT Saints... another 4-3 guy.

Raider Bill · 03-28-2005, 08:31 PM

Oh.. and I was just throwing this up there as some general info about a rival I thought was worth mentioning on a rival board... nothing more..

4-3 is the far better fit with this cast of characters. Sapp can play his 3 technique spot with Ted on the Nose. LDE is set with Brayton and Hamilton, and RDE I suspect will be Burgess/ Draft pick (I've been pimping Justin Tuck)

Tommy Kelley (our sack leader last season) can spell Sapp at the UT spot, but a developmental NT is still needed to platoon with Ted.

Our roster is chock full of weakside chase guys so either a MIKE or a SAM is a must in the 3rd (Seward) with Danny Clark manning the spot that's left (he played all 3 positions in Jax)

3-4 was an abortion putting several of our better players out of position where they were not effective... 6'6" 280 lb Tyler Brayton at the SAM

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03-28-2005, 08:31 PM	#9
Raider Bill ........ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Southern New Joisey Posts: 4,194	Oh.. and I was just throwing this up there as some general info about a rival I thought was worth mentioning on a rival board... nothing more.. 4-3 is the far better fit with this cast of characters. Sapp can play his 3 technique spot with Ted on the Nose. LDE is set with Brayton and Hamilton, and RDE I suspect will be Burgess/ Draft pick (I've been pimping Justin Tuck) Tommy Kelley (our sack leader last season) can spell Sapp at the UT spot, but a developmental NT is still needed to platoon with Ted. Our roster is chock full of weakside chase guys so either a MIKE or a SAM is a must in the 3rd (Seward) with Danny Clark manning the spot that's left (he played all 3 positions in Jax) 3-4 was an abortion putting several of our better players out of position where they were not effective... 6'6" 280 lb Tyler Brayton at the SAM ?? Last edited by Raider Bill; 03-28-2005 at 08:48 PM..

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03-28-2005, 08:06 PM	#2
broncos love THE MAN Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 822	It looks like to me the radiers have totally abanded the defense in order to get the offense and they will get murdered against the patriots on the first game. Kerry Collins is just like Drew Bledsoe, when the pocket collaps they get nervous , but the radiers have good ol so it will be interesting to see how the radiers are this year.

03-28-2005, 08:12 PM	#3
Sir Mawn Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mexico City Posts: 1,926	Overlooking your defense? Ask Dick Vermeil...

03-28-2005, 08:13 PM	#4
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,278 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	At least the faid know how to use their talent, that is, Turner knows how to use the talent he has. Instead of cramming a square peg into a round hole, ala Shanny and his yes-men, he realizes that his LB corps is weak, and is using more 4-3. Shanahan, on the other hand, has to be kicked and pushed into using his talent. The Broncos should have been using a base 3-4 for the past 3 years (maybe more). All they Broncos needed was a true NT. They already had Pryce and a few other good defensive lineman to make it work. Well, now, the Broncos are just starting to realize their LB depth and their dline weakness... it only took 5+ years or so...

03-28-2005, 08:18 PM	#6
Maximus The Razor! Public Enemy #1 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Western, NY Posts: 5,207 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	The whole 3-4 thing is nothing more than a fad... only a couple of teams run it well... now everyone wants to copy I'm glad we're coming to our senses. Warren Sapp, Tyler Brayton, Gbaja Biamilla and others played out of position all last season!

03-28-2005, 08:30 PM	#8
Raider Bill ........ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Southern New Joisey Posts: 4,194	Looks like we signed Kenny Smith.. DT Saints... another 4-3 guy.