Letter To The President - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-28-2005, 12:03 PM

I've talked about this before. Our dependence on foriegn oil is a GRAVE security and economic risk! We have the technology right now to start moving to renewable and alternative energies. Every day we delay moving in this direction increases that risk. Great interview with EFC members on CNBC on this most important of issues today!

They have many experienced members from both sides of the isle on their coalition and their idea on ethanol is one I haven't heard before.

This is anything but a partisan issue. We need to spend the money needed (R&D) to go forward now.

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Letter To The President

Assessment Of Costs and Benefits

Summary Of Recommendations

http://www.energyfuturecoalition.org/

CBF1 · 03-28-2005, 12:14 PM

BB,

I do not want to sound like a complainer, but I worked in the political arena for almost 4 years on fishermans rights vs the Enviromental lobby. It did not matter what kind of science the fishing lobby had through the use of marine biologists, fisherman and other people involved with the fishing movement, We got our ass's handed to us by the extreame wealthy enviro movement(Peta, NRDC, The pugh foundations...HewlettPackard money... these are billion $ movements. They paid large amounts of cash to get their people on the commissions to vote their way and there was not a thing we were able to do to sway the Fish and Game commission here in calfornia. Politics is a joke period.

If you think that one person in Washington DC gives a rats ass about any one of us not shelling in HUGE amounts of cash on their behalf you are mistaken. Who has more money that large oil based lobby's and the companies using fossil fuel.... IE automotive manufactures, oil companies and such. It is a great idea, but it will never work.

NaptownChief · 03-28-2005, 02:07 PM

One way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is to develop dependence on domestic oil supplies like in Alaska....oh, never mind the President is already working on that.

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-28-2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

One way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is to develop dependence on domestic oil supplies like in Alaska....oh, never mind the President is already working on that.

We have 2% of the world's reserves. We use over 25% of the worlds output every day.
President is working on the something that doesn't address our problem.

Members who signed EFC's letter....

kappys · 03-28-2005, 03:48 PM

In my opinion investing in clean energy technologies is absolutely one of the best ways tfor us to go. Not because of the need for foreign oil, but because the price of it has gone up so much and will likely continue as developing countries begin using moer and more oil.

Green technology is a good investment because these same countries that are using more oil are also hideously overcrowded and have major pollution problems from all the fossil fuels they are burning. In New Dehli for example natural gas is subsidised and public transport has to run on natural gas in the hopes of slowing down the smog problem.

These countries will likely be happy to buy up practical green tech from whomever builds it.

watermock · 03-28-2005, 04:03 PM

Ethanol doped Gas is 2.09 here in Iowa at 89 octane. Regular Premium is 2.19 with 87 octane.

Rock Chalk · 03-28-2005, 04:04 PM

Here's something for you to chew on Beerslug.

A guy I know working at the BP Amoco plant that exploded in Texas City said the part that exploded had been on maintainence shutdown for over 4 months. In fact, the part that exploded has absolutely ZERO to do with the production of that plant because it was already on shutdown.

The media proclaimed that gas production was going to get hurt, and Wall Street fell for it, and guess what, gas production wasnt hurt at all. We all got jobbed, not by big brother, oh no, by your national liberal media idiots who dont know how to get all the facts straight before reporting anything that happens.

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-28-2005, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

Here's something for you to chew on Beerslug.

A guy I know working at the BP Amoco plant that exploded in Texas City said the part that exploded had been on maintainence shutdown for over 4 months. In fact, the part that exploded has absolutely ZERO to do with the production of that plant because it was already on shutdown.

The media proclaimed that gas production was going to get hurt, and Wall Street fell for it, and guess what, gas production wasnt hurt at all. We all got jobbed, not by big brother, oh no, by your national liberal media idiots who dont know how to get all the facts straight before reporting anything that happens.

That's really relevant to the thread. By the way, Fox reported the 3% drop in production also. But trading happens on news so the futures were up before any numbers came out.

Atlas · 03-28-2005, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I've talked about this before. Our dependence on foriegn oil is a GRAVE security and economic risk! We have the technology right now to start moving to renewable and alternative energies. Every day we delay moving in this direction increases that risk. Great interview with EFC members on CNBC on this most important of issues today!

They have many experienced members from both sides of the isle on their coalition and their idea on ethanol is one I haven't heard before.

This is anything but a partisan issue. We need to spend the money needed (R&D) to go forward now.

---------------------------------------------------
Letter To The President

Assessment Of Costs and Benefits

Summary Of Recommendations

http://www.energyfuturecoalition.org/

I agree with you 100% BUT Bush is an oil man. He'll never do anything to cut back on The U.S.'s demand for oil.

dsmoot · 03-28-2005, 04:38 PM

One important role of the national government is to provide security and protection for the people of this country. If you don't think that rising oil prices or dependance on foreign oil held by sovereign countrys is a threat to that security, than we are just fooling ourselves. The problem - I don't think that the marketplace (private business) can make the switch to alternatives before it becomes severely damaging to the economy and the middle class because prices will continue to rise to maintain the profits to the bottom line.

I don't think many in our government or business are forward thinking. I have always thought it would take the commitment of a Manhatten project scale to provide good alternatives to oil to avoid the pain of depleting supplies and higher costs.

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Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	Letter To The President I've talked about this before. Our dependence on foriegn oil is a GRAVE security and economic risk! We have the technology right now to start moving to renewable and alternative energies. Every day we delay moving in this direction increases that risk. Great interview with EFC members on CNBC on this most important of issues today! They have many experienced members from both sides of the isle on their coalition and their idea on ethanol is one I haven't heard before. This is anything but a partisan issue. We need to spend the money needed (R&D) to go forward now. --------------------------------------------------- Letter To The President Assessment Of Costs and Benefits Summary Of Recommendations http://www.energyfuturecoalition.org/

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03-28-2005, 12:14 PM	#2
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	BB, I do not want to sound like a complainer, but I worked in the political arena for almost 4 years on fishermans rights vs the Enviromental lobby. It did not matter what kind of science the fishing lobby had through the use of marine biologists, fisherman and other people involved with the fishing movement, We got our ass's handed to us by the extreame wealthy enviro movement(Peta, NRDC, The pugh foundations...HewlettPackard money... these are billion $ movements. They paid large amounts of cash to get their people on the commissions to vote their way and there was not a thing we were able to do to sway the Fish and Game commission here in calfornia. Politics is a joke period. If you think that one person in Washington DC gives a rats ass about any one of us not shelling in HUGE amounts of cash on their behalf you are mistaken. Who has more money that large oil based lobby's and the companies using fossil fuel.... IE automotive manufactures, oil companies and such. It is a great idea, but it will never work.

03-28-2005, 02:07 PM	#3
NaptownChief Donkeys Nightmare Football Pimp Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,490	One way to reduce our dependence on foreign oil is to develop dependence on domestic oil supplies like in Alaska....oh, never mind the President is already working on that.

03-28-2005, 03:48 PM	#5
kappys Ring of Famer “It will be of little avail to the Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,900	In my opinion investing in clean energy technologies is absolutely one of the best ways tfor us to go. Not because of the need for foreign oil, but because the price of it has gone up so much and will likely continue as developing countries begin using moer and more oil. Green technology is a good investment because these same countries that are using more oil are also hideously overcrowded and have major pollution problems from all the fossil fuels they are burning. In New Dehli for example natural gas is subsidised and public transport has to run on natural gas in the hopes of slowing down the smog problem. These countries will likely be happy to buy up practical green tech from whomever builds it.

03-28-2005, 04:03 PM	#6
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Ethanol doped Gas is 2.09 here in Iowa at 89 octane. Regular Premium is 2.19 with 87 octane.

03-28-2005, 04:04 PM	#7
Rock Chalk Cheeky Bastards Laus Deo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Backside of the Internet Posts: 29,940 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Here's something for you to chew on Beerslug. A guy I know working at the BP Amoco plant that exploded in Texas City said the part that exploded had been on maintainence shutdown for over 4 months. In fact, the part that exploded has absolutely ZERO to do with the production of that plant because it was already on shutdown. The media proclaimed that gas production was going to get hurt, and Wall Street fell for it, and guess what, gas production wasnt hurt at all. We all got jobbed, not by big brother, oh no, by your national liberal media idiots who dont know how to get all the facts straight before reporting anything that happens.

03-28-2005, 04:38 PM	#10
dsmoot Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 1,607	One important role of the national government is to provide security and protection for the people of this country. If you don't think that rising oil prices or dependance on foreign oil held by sovereign countrys is a threat to that security, than we are just fooling ourselves. The problem - I don't think that the marketplace (private business) can make the switch to alternatives before it becomes severely damaging to the economy and the middle class because prices will continue to rise to maintain the profits to the bottom line. I don't think many in our government or business are forward thinking. I have always thought it would take the commitment of a Manhatten project scale to provide good alternatives to oil to avoid the pain of depleting supplies and higher costs.