"Isn't that B*$#h dead yet?"

[watermock]

THEY NEVER SPOKE OF THIS! Yet now Michael claims that Terri's wish was to die of starvation and dehydration, and the infamous Judge George Greer rubber stamps it. Why?

A case for Criminal Investigation of Michael Schiavo:


1) Nurses’ testimony: Heidi Law, Carla Sauer-Iyer, Carolyn Johnson have been ignored and dismissed without hearing; each testified that Michael was abusive to Terri and may have attempted to kill her by insulin injection and attempts to induce pneumonia by turning the thermostat in her room to 64 degrees.

2) Michael Baden, top forensic pathologist in country and interviewed on Fox News National Television broadcast October 25, 2003 on Terri’s bone scan and injuries states that:

a) Terri’s injuries are not consistent with a heart attack; no cardiac evidence to support it
b) Extremely rare for potassium imbalance on woman her age and in her good health
c) Injuries are consistent with severe trauma possibly caused by a beating
d) The injuries in medical records warrant an immediate investigation

3) Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee and neurologist testified that Terri’s neck injuries are consistent with only one type of injury: that of strangulation.

4) Terri’s doctor, Dr. Gambone resigned; he had previously testified Terri would die within a few days of starvation/dehydration. Terri has an obvious will to live.

5) Michael has enlisted the services of a new doctor, Stanton Tripodis, who has 5 malpractice suits against him. Clearly, Michael is attempting to provide sub-standard care for his wife.

Case no. 97007946C1 filed 11-25-97
Case no. 94003739C1 filed 6-27-94
Case no. 95000873C1 filed 2-14-95
Case no. 96001434C1 filed 3-6-96
Case no. 98002289C1 filed 4-7-98

6) Michael is committing adultery by living with another woman who has already born one child with another on the way, thereby creating an obvious conflict of interest as guardian.

7) Michael has committed both perjury (2 counts) and insurance fraud by promising to provide care and therapy for his wife in exchange for the court award of 1.2 million dollars in 1993. No care has ever been provided to Terri.

8) Michael Schiavo has also prevented Terri from undergoing a barium swallow test, a procedure necessary to ascertain the consistency of foods able to be taken by mouth.

9) Co-conspirator George J. Felos combined and conspired with Michael Schiavo to arrange for Terri's "free" stay at Hospice Woodside as part of an "exit protocol" designed to advance Felos' self-perceived messianic mission of "helping" incapacitated people to die by categorizing them as "terminal," warehousing them, and depriving them of therapy and rehabilitation services. (Attorney Felos is Director of Florida Right to Die and has testified that he can ascertain a person’s desire to die by “looking into their eyes and letting their spirit speak directly to him”)

10) Investigate Insurance company established in Jan 2001 at the home of Michael Schiavo and his girlfriend/fiancee Jody Centonze. (Jerger and Centonze Insurnace Agency Inc.) Michael is listed on the Board of Directors for the corporation. Note: Insurance is deliberately misspelled in the State of Florida Corporate filing, possibly to avoid investigation.

11) Michael continues to deny Terri the right to receive Holy Communion as part of her Catholic and civil right.

[watermock]

May 8, 2001 Deposition:

Cindy Shook describing Schiavo’s possessiveness.

"he’s very jealous. He stalked me at my…at where I worked after I stopped dating…when he would get mad at me he would tell me, I would rather be laying in bed in the nursing home with her than with you. I mean he can be the most incredibly mean person"

When asked if she were afraid that Michael would physically harm her or if he would harm children.

"I am concerned about retaliation because I have a child -I have children and a husband. I know him, I know what he told me I said he could be a very mean person."

She spoke of how Schiavo stalked her for close to a year after the breakup and that she received repeated phone calls.

"He came on the floor looking for me several times. I felt it was out of character for him to get a job as an orderly at the hospital That was concerning to me. When he would come up to the floor looking for her she was not scared the first time but later was scared.

In town I would look up when I was driving…not at my work- she would look up in the rear view mirror and there would be Michael Schiavo. I would look up and he would be behind me in traffic. It continued for several months after he didn’t work at the hospital. She would change lanes, try to make a turn and he would do the same. He did this about ten times.

One time he was behind me in traffic he got next to me in a two-lane going the same way, and he changed lanes basically right on top of where I was at, and I had to swerve not to be hit. I had to swerve off the road. Michael ran me off the road. I considered it as stalking, dangerous and guessed potentially life threatening."

Cindy thought about getting a restraining order. She talked to an off duty police officer in her building

They discussed marriage. She said Schiavo asked what would you do if I asked you to marry me. He never discussed getting a divorce.

Cindy said Schiavo got angry when asked questions about Terri saying:

"this had destroyed his life and he was being robed of a normal life."

Regarding Terri’s care, according to Cindy Shook, Michael Schiavo said,

"How the hell should I know we never spoke about this, my God I was only 25 years old. How the hell should I know? We were young. We never spoke of this."

[watermock]

March 19, 2005
On "I Have Personal Knowledge Of This Case"
This is an excerpt written by a woman who worked with a former attorney for the Schindlers, and it's posted on this blog. The blog that carries this account also reprinted the Empire Journal's article describing intimate connections between some of the major players in Terri's case.

I HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THIS CASE
Posted by: Terri Marie Vicario-Sturgeon March 17, 2005 12:05 PM
About a year and a half ago, I worked two 40 hour wknds(!) up all night in the offices of the (former) lawyer for Terri's parents. I was able to read most of the files on the case. I was there when two former nurses phoned (separately and entirely of their own volition)and asked to come in and give an affidavit about what they knew. They said they could no longer keep silent, though for years they were so intimidated by Michael Schiavo, they were afraid to speak up. I was there when each of them, on their own, arrived in the garage of the office building. Both of them looked around to make sure they were not being followed! Both of them described hideous behavior over the years by Michael Schiavo. They described his phone calls (especially when she had an infection and he forbade antibiotics) asking the nurses "Is the b**** dead yet?" and his boasting of how he was going to spend the money he would get after her death. Weeks would go by when he would not visit at all. Once he received the million dollar settlement, he forbade Terri being taken outside in a wheelchair for change of scenery and fresh air. He forbade music on her radio. He had her personal effects removed from the room - all visual stimuli.

Her parents and siblings were not allowed to visit her and could not read her chart. One of the nurses talked about his visits to Terri when he closed the door and was alone with her. When that nurse entered the room after he left, she found Terri shaken, trembling and pale and looking as if she was in a diabetic crisis. Terri has no blood sugar problems due to her regulated diet, but seeing her distress and the appearance of diabetic crisis, the nurse gave her a glucose test anyway and the numbers were so skewed that it was clear Terri was in insulin shock. The nurse gave her a shot to alleviate the diabetic shock and immediately suspected Michael had injected her during his visit to cause this. I believe she said this happened at least twice. The nurses also described taking care of Terri and how when she had menstrual cramps she would curl up and put her hands on her tummy (she was able to move them in those early days before the atrophy progressed due to Michael forbidding therapy)and clearly say "Pain!" or "Pain!" and call for her mother. They said that's how they knew to give her medication for her menstrual pain. They talked about how after Michael won the big settlement award, he forbade all further rehab treatment of every kind. So, on a visit to Terri, he saw this nurse had threaded a washcloth between Terri's fingers to relieve the cramping and he pulled it out of her fingers and shouted "I said NO THERAPY!" Michael removed all family photos from her room. He refused to allow her teeth to be brushed (no doubt hoping a tooth infection would give her a heart attack). When the nurses wrote in her daily chart they had observed her speaking words like "Pain" and "Mommy", the next day their comments were missing from the chart! They talked about how he would stand extra close to them and shout in their faces that he would see that they were fired if they tried to feed her or go against any of his orders. He is a very tall and large man and towers over the average man or woman.

They also mentioned that he was having an affair or flirtation with the head nurse and they suspected that's how the charts were being altered. One nurse tried to report the mistreatment of Terri and was fired. I seem to recall she even went to the police but nothing came of it. And there is more - George Felos was on the Board of Directors (cannot recall if he was chair or owner) of the hospice where she was kept. He resigned his post to avoid the scandal of that connection being made. Some of you may not realize that legally a hospice is only for those who have six months or less left to live, who are terminally ill. Hospice is not a convalescent home - it is a place to die in painless comfort with counseling and support given to patient and family. Terri does not belong in hospice. Patients in her condition are normally cared for in convalescent homes. Did you know that George Felos has a book about Terri already written and ready to publish as soon as she dies?

While I worked at that law office, coincidentally, one of the attorneys had an unrelated reason to visit a local funeral home. During that visit, a casual conversation with a funeral home employee revealed, entirely by accident, that the funeral home had an "open file" set up for the immediate, without delay or autopsy, cremation of Terri Schiavo upon her death. Michael Schiavo made these arrangements immediately after winning the big million dollar settlement and all these years they stand ready to carry out his wishes. Once her body is cremated, no one will ever be able to prove the abuse he is so desperate to conceal.

While working in that office I also read statements by co-workers and friends of Terri about the bruises she had, the evident signs of physical abuse that were visible when she would come to work and which she claimed were the result of wrestling with Michael, but no one believed that. Eventually, she admitted to a co-worker and a friend that she wanted to leave Michael and that he was dominating and controlling and she was frightened of him. She talked about leaving him and sharing an apartment with the girlfriend she confided in. She said that Michael was so controlling and scary that he would check her odometer after her daily usage of the car. His behavior is an exact match to that of spousal abusers. When Terri met Michael, she was completely smitten with him - he was very handsome and he was her first boyfriend. She had been a bit chubby and became very weight conscious to be attractive to him. She worshipped him initially and he was able to dominate and intimidate her quite easily due to her naivete. Terri was a vivacious girl. She was a rescuer and enabler by nature. She loved and cared for injured birds and animals and was very much pro-life. She is also Catholic and there is no reason to believe she disagrees with the church's pro-life stance.

To those who have heard negative comments about Terri's parents, I will say that I am a mature sophisticated woman and have lived all over the country and worked in the health and legal fields most of my life. I met her parents and I have no doubt whatsoever that they are anything less than devoted, loving parents. They are both small in stature and soft-spoken gentle ordinary, middle-class people. I have children in their 30's - parental love only grows with the years and I would fight as hard as they have to prevent the completion of the murder of their daughter.

Most of the money awarded by the court for Terri's rehabilitation has been paid to George Felos. I don't understand how money that is misspent as this was cannot be grounds for prosecution of Michael. He wept in court and brought experts in to testify that Terri could be rehabilitated if they only were given enough money. So, they won that settlement and he immediately ceased all rehab.

I am baffled by the stubborn meanness and refusal of that idiot probate(!) (probate law does not require genius, to put it mildly) judge Greer to admit solid evidence and handle this case fairly. Who knows what transpires behind closed doors to slant the judge in this fashion? Conspiracy? As long as people in this country allow themselves to be told "conspiracy" is a bad word or that believing one exists means you are a nutcase, then we will continue to be duped by unprincipled, self-serving criminals who worship money and power and have no respect for human life. A conspiracy is whenever two or more people secretly plan something and clearly something has compromised the justice in this case.

[Garcia Bronco]

Dis-information? This would have come out before now.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Dis-information? This would have come out before now.

Yep. 15 years and SUDDENLY THIS COMES TO LIGHT!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I see the swift boat veterans are alive and well.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Dis-information? This would have come out before now.

Actually, the family has been trying to get this woman's testimony to light for years... I listened to her brother speak on it.

But even still. WHAT IF? I don't understand why this guy should have the power to say "kill her" and have it be done. What if this guy might somehow be responsible? What kind of precedent is being set?

Also, it took 7 years before he commented that her wish was to have the plug pulled. Why did it take him 7 years to cough that one out? You'd think that would have come up before then...

[Taco John]

I think that "the left" is getting the wool pulled over their eyes on this one. This isn't about the right to death. This is about due process.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I was thinking the same thing, how could this information stay hidden fo so long?

[watermock]

I'm bringing it out. This is exactly what I have been saying from point one. Why not do a little research and try to find anything in this that is untrue.

[TexanBob]

All I can say is that there are two different stories being told here and that they cannot both be true. Somebody is lying. Ask yourself which is more likely to be lying - the husband with the new lover and children waiting to cash in on the death of his first wife or the parents who want nothing more than to take care of their daughter for as long as they possibly can?

If these same stories were being told about Scott Peterson, they would be instantly accepted as signs of a man wanting to see his wife dead. Yet, when these stories come out about Michael Schiavo, the media would have you believe that he just wants to end Terri's suffering. The semantics being used to justify killing this woman are truly amazing.

If forced starvation is such a peaceful painless death, I think we should start immediately denying food and water to all inmates on Death Row. It would sure spare the taxpayers a whole hell of a lot of money.

[alkemical]

I think the parents are lying and want the money to secure their retirement.

[alkemical]

And by the way, you high and mighty ****s -

if your wife for 15 years was laying in a hospital bed drooling on herself - you tell me you wouldn't 'move on'......

[watermock]

Originally Posted by amesj523

I think the parents are lying and want the money to secure their retirement.

First off, the malpractice settlement went to the husband. What WAS discussed was that the money would go to her therapy. The parents planned on buying a house and caring for her. They also loaned him money he never repaid.

Once he got the money, he blocked every attempt at rehabilitation, and according to a witness, popped her full of insulin.

And BTW, the parents are not part of ANY settlement from my knowlege. Also, it appears her state has declined over time, and the alleged insulin shots happened within 2 years of her accident, about the time he was with his ex-girlfriend. I suggest you look at the time line. I doubt you even read how they didn't do proper MRI's.

But it's all Bush's fault right?

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by watermock

I'm bringing it out. This is exactly what I have been saying from point one. Why not do a little research and try to find anything in this that is untrue.

The official report to Jeb Bush from Ms. Schiavo's court-appointed Guardian Ad Litem...

http://jb-williams.com/ts-report-12-03.htm

[alkemical]

So the parents had motivation for a new house.... not to mention they want her death benifit -

why is all this coming out now, and not during the 15yrs of treatment??

See mock, i don't blame bush for this - but i'm glad you think so.

[watermock]

Originally Posted by amesj523

So the parents had motivation for a new house.... not to mention they want her death benifit -

No. The malpractice benefit went to the husband. The verbal agreement was that the parents would take care of her. They also gave him money, around 10k they wanted back. He delivered none of it. The death benefit has nothing to do with that, but I'm sure he's on that one as well. Thruout this, the family hasn't gotten one dime out of it. He has spent almost all of the settlement to deny her treatment.

why is all this coming out now, and not during the 15yrs of treatment??

You tell me, I know the family has complained to deaf ears, and been stymied because of "hearsay", the very thing her "husband" has been using. The court didn't accept these statements. It went "by the book" the whole time, using a guardian appointed by the court to interpret the Florida law. I'm not saying it isn't or is hearsay, but it ceretainly isn't any less than his own statements, or especially his own behavior. The alleged insulin injections happened YEARS AGO. Wouldn't that create a "chemical imbalance?", or better yet, wouldn't strangulation make more sense than "heart attack" since there is no evidence of the chemicals of a heart attack, and that there were bruises around the neck? Now last time I checked, when you strangle someone, they just might have brain damage due to loss of oxygen.

See mock, i don't blame bush for this - but i'm glad you think so.

Good God, the accusations against Bush in the other thread are numerous.

[Pat Bowlen]

Drama drama drama drama. I couldn't care less about the whole situation.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Pat Bowlen

Drama drama drama drama. I couldn't care less about the whole situation.

Then why in the hell are you posting here jackass?

[Willynowei]

my question: can the rulings be appealed?

[Rascal]

almost everything can be appealed until the supreme court of the US rules.

[Willynowei]

Right because, they are making this sound pretty hopeless. I'm assuming this will reach the supreme court?

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by Willynowei

Right because, they are making this sound pretty hopeless. I'm assuming this will reach the supreme court?

There's no guarantee that the USSC would even agree to hear the case. It's my understanding that they've refused to hear it in the past.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Please excuse me, because I'm wasted right now...

I dont know what to make of this whole situation.... but living in Florida, I hear a lot of it.

I used to be fore reading this along with some other articles
be for the husband, and putting the girl out of her misery. But if any to thesee allygations are true, then i think the misery was put into her by the husband.

[orangenblue2]

Three words for ya "Bull Shi Att"" WTF? You people are insane, and I'm not even kiddin' around...