Which RB will the Broncos take?

[Rich Karlis]

Since 1994, 11 running backs and 2 full backs have been selected by Denver. 2 second rounders and a fourth round pick have been used on a rb over the last three years.

Heres the breakdown on where Shanny an Co. have made rb picks :

0 - 1st rounders
2 - 2nd rounders
1 - 3rd rounder
3 - 4th rounders
1 - 5th rounder
2 - 6th rounders
4 - 7th rounders

[SoCalBronco]

i would like Maurice Clarett or Frank Gore in the 6th or 7th.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

i would like Maurice Clarett or Frank Gore in the 6th or 7th.

Maurice Clarett? Why? Lets fotget about the 4.8s in the 40. Lets forget the fact that he hasn't played a down in the last 2 years. Lets forget the fact that he quiet after having a terrible run at the combine. Lets forget the fact that he repeated referred to his mama at the first combine. Lets forget the fact that he had a year to train for the combine and still showed up fat, all be it less fat than the first combine. Remind me again why anybody much less the Broncos should draft him?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Apparently Denver isn't happy with their RBs, but even with that they are trying to trade Reuben or move him to FB. Or at least that's what the "professional" mock draft people keep telling me. My guess is they do what it takes to get whoever they like of the Big 3.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

Maurice Clarett? Why? Lets fotget about the 4.8s in the 40.

If we are going to make decisions based on 40 times we are in alot of trouble. Anquan Boldin ran in the 4.7s and he fell to the middle of round 2. Kevin Jones ran in the 4.6s last year when everyone knew and it was undisputed that he was a 4.3 guy on the field. undisputed. Maurice can ball. The game isnt played in a straight line. I dont care if he ran a 5.8 much less a 4.8.

Lets forget the fact that he hasn't played a down in the last 2 years.

This is a legitimate criticism. There are questions whether that time has made him rusty. But when you have close to 20 offseason practices even before training camp including the offseason weight program i dont believe this is a big concern. Maurice, when he played for O$U, showed great vision, power and running instincts. Those things dont go away. You can build up or lose muscle strength but you cant just lose instincts.
Lets forget the fact that he quiet after having a terrible run at the combine.
This is another legitimate criticism. Yes he quite and that was disappointing to me. But considering our investment would likely be a 7th round pick or at highest a 6th round pick, i am not worried.

Lets forget the fact that he repeated referred to his mama at the first combine.
Explain the relevance of this to me. Clinton Portis referred to his Mom virtually all the time when he was here and alot of people thought that was odd. Strangely they didnt have a problem with him when he suited up on sundays. Please tell me exactly what Maurice said, why it bothers you and how it is relevant to whether we should draft him or not. This may be a legitimate criticism but i need alot a whole lot more facts first.


Lets forget the fact that he had a year to train for the combine and still showed up fat, all be it less fat than the first combine. Remind me again why anybody much less the Broncos should draft him?

Yes i too was surprised by his poor performance. It still stands quite in contrast to what i saw on the field from Maurice. Football drills are at best a shaky proxy for on the field performance. As between film and drills, i will give the film more weight in the analysis. As to why the Broncos should draft him, there are two principal arguments. First is team specific. The Broncos RB situation is somewhat more precarious than what may appear on the surface. Tatum Bell looks like he could be a superstar in the NFL. He flashes a great speed burst and has improving vision and power on the inside runs. We know he can beat the defense to the corner in this league. However, his career at Oklahoma State was filled with little injuries here and there and he suffered injuries during his first year here as well. Nonetheless i still like him...ALOT. But what is behind Tatum Bell on the depth chart? Q was a below average RB before he got hurt and while the ACL injury usually has a significant effect on running backs in general, the effect, i believe will be even more acute with Q because the ACL injury will **** up the one thing he does well and that is cutting and juking. Q, whom i respect very much for his character, demeanor and work ethic, is still just a one trick pony and the ACL was the worst thing that could happen to him. Mike Anderson has ZERO burst. After his sensational rookie year in 2000, he hasnt shown much vision or burst, just power. MA is no longer anything special and hasnt been for awhile. Droughns is a good back but we are trying to move him. The rest are scrubs and that isnt in dispute. So we have a bit of a depth problem behind Bell. Also Maurice has good strength and can help us in short yardage whereas all our backs last year struggled mightily in that area. Clarett and Bell can be a great 1-2 punch. The second reason why i wouldnt mind having maurice here is because the risk/reward ratio is strongly in Denver's favor. The investment is at best a 6th and likely a 7th or an UDFA contract. It is undisputed that Maurice has first day talent and possibly first round talent, although that is in dispute. Anytime you can get a guy of that caliber in Round 7, when you have somewhat of a depth problem at that position you should go for it. The investment is virtually nothing. The signing bonus is like 20K i.e. pennies so far as the cap is concerned. Literally pennies. If he starts going flavor clown or is otherwise a malcontent Denver can get rid of him with no loss. So we blew a 7th rounder. We have done that virtually every year i can remember. The only 7th rounders who have been of value in the last 15 years that i remember off the top of my head have been Tom Nalen and Monsanto Pope. Everyone else has been an UNQUALIFIED SCRUB. Which is ofcourse, why they are taken in the 7th round. Usually, Denver's 7th round picks end up either on the IR, Practice squad or out and out cut before the preseason is even over much less the final cutdown day. This is not the classic case of just taking whoever is left at the bottom of the barrell at the end of the draft. This is a real talent. Low Risk/High Reward. Consider what would happen if he shows those same skills he did at Ohio State, a big div1a program who plays real teams and goes against real competition, in Denver? We could, if we want, run him into the ground for a few years for pennies and then trade him for a nice pick. We get everything, we pay nothing. If he ends up a dud, we didnt invest anything of value anyway so it doesnt matter. Further, Maurice KNOWS this is his last shot before working at McDonalds for the rest of his life so he has another incentive to work as hard as he can to make it in the league. He has the incentive to work hard, we know he has very good talent (at the very least Day 1, if not Round1/2 caliber talent), our investment is virtually nothing, our depth at RB is not as great as it seems= Denver should strongly consider selecting him very late on Day 2 if he is there, which is likely.

[Breck Bronc]

SoCal comes out swinging. I only wish UltimateWhatever questioned Frank Gore, then we would have seen the big guns come out.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Yes i too was surprised by his poor performance. It still stands quite in contrast to what i saw on the field from Maurice. Football drills are at best a shaky proxy for on the field performance. As between film and drills, i will give the film more weight in the analysis. As to why the Broncos should draft him, there are two principal arguments. First is team specific. The Broncos RB situation is somewhat more precarious than what may appear on the surface. Tatum Bell looks like he could be a superstar in the NFL. He flashes a great speed burst and has improving vision and power on the inside runs. We know he can beat the defense to the corner in this league. However, his career at Oklahoma State was filled with little injuries here and there and he suffered injuries during his first year here as well. Nonetheless i still like him...ALOT. But what is behind Tatum Bell on the depth chart? Q was a below average RB before he got hurt and while the ACL injury usually has a significant effect on running backs in general, the effect, i believe will be even more acute with Q because the ACL injury will **** up the one thing he does well and that is cutting and juking. Q, whom i respect very much for his character, demeanor and work ethic, is still just a one trick pony and the ACL was the worst thing that could happen to him. Mike Anderson has ZERO burst. After his sensational rookie year in 2000, he hasnt shown much vision or burst, just power. MA is no longer anything special and hasnt been for awhile. Droughns is a good back but we are trying to move him. The rest are scrubs and that isnt in dispute. So we have a bit of a depth problem behind Bell. Also Maurice has good strength and can help us in short yardage whereas all our backs last year struggled mightily in that area. Clarett and Bell can be a great 1-2 punch. The second reason why i wouldnt mind having maurice here is because the risk/reward ratio is strongly in Denver's favor. The investment is at best a 6th and likely a 7th or an UDFA contract. It is undisputed that Maurice has first day talent and possibly first round talent, although that is in dispute. Anytime you can get a guy of that caliber in Round 7, when you have somewhat of a depth problem at that position you should go for it. The investment is virtually nothing. The signing bonus is like 20K i.e. pennies so far as the cap is concerned. Literally pennies. If he starts going flavor clown or is otherwise a malcontent Denver can get rid of him with no loss. So we blew a 7th rounder. We have done that virtually every year i can remember. The only 7th rounders who have been of value in the last 15 years that i remember off the top of my head have been Tom Nalen and Monsanto Pope. Everyone else has been an UNQUALIFIED SCRUB. Which is ofcourse, why they are taken in the 7th round. Usually, Denver's 7th round picks end up either on the IR, Practice squad or out and out cut before the preseason is even over much less the final cutdown day. This is not the classic case of just taking whoever is left at the bottom of the barrell at the end of the draft. This is a real talent. Low Risk/High Reward. Consider what would happen if he shows those same skills he did at Ohio State, a big div1a program who plays real teams and goes against real competition, in Denver? We could, if we want, run him into the ground for a few years for pennies and then trade him for a nice pick. We get everything, we pay nothing. If he ends up a dud, we didnt invest anything of value anyway so it doesnt matter. Further, Maurice KNOWS this is his last shot before working at McDonalds for the rest of his life so he has another incentive to work as hard as he can to make it in the league. He has the incentive to work hard, we know he has very good talent (at the very least Day 1, if not Round1/2 caliber talent), our investment is virtually nothing, our depth at RB is not as great as it seems= Denver should strongly consider selecting him very late on Day 2 if he is there, which is likely.

First of all I don't want this to get personal. And if I offened you I'm sorry. But I like Debates and this is a good debate.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

First of all I don't want this to get personal. And if I offened you I'm sorry. But I like Debates and this is a good debate.

On the contrary i am not offended at all my friend. In fact i enjoy debates like this. I am awaiting your response as to the various points in my post and i am eager to see what other arguments you have against Maurice.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Breck Bronc

SoCal comes out swinging. I only wish UltimateWhatever questioned Frank Gore, then we would have seen the big guns come out.

It would be awesome if we could snag Frank late in the draft. Man if he can just stay healthy, go through a rigorous Shanny offseason program, lose a little weight and get his knee stronger, he will be a monster.

[dustybottoms]

(other)

Cadillac Williams

[ozomulsion]

Due to the round we will be taking a RB I would love to get either Walter Reyes(Syracuse) or Anthony Davis(Wisconsin). Davis may be short but he's no Q and that's a good thing.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

On the contrary i am not offended at all my friend. In fact i enjoy debates like this. I am awaiting your response as to the various points in my post and i am eager to see what other arguments you have against Maurice.

Cool!

Out of the 3 or 4 point you agreed to two of them. And like you I don't put much stock into 40 times and all of that. But he had a year to prepare for what was at the combine. He had a year to train and he came back what happened. He showed up with maybe 3-4 months of training. This is important because, how many times have you heard that the NFL is year around and you are almost training year around. He's had two years to prepare and did nothing. Second he quit after running poorly at the combine. Like I said the 40 time means little to me. But he quit, he quit. What's going to happen in a game and he gets stopped for no gain a couple of times. Is he going to quit then too. Now one might say well thats a game this is just the combine. Well let me flip it for you. This is just the combine and nobody is hitting you, nobody is counting on you, nobody is going to blame you for the lose. The only thing you are responsible is for yourself, and he can't muster enough heart to see the combine to the end? Third the mom thing. True that Portis referred to his mom too. But their is a difference, Portis would say "My, mom is cool" while Clarett would say "My mom said...." . Now tell me who is the mama's boy.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

Cool!

Out of the 3 or 4 point you agreed to two of them. And like you I don't put much stock into 40 times and all of that. But he had a year to prepare for what was at the combine. He had a year to train and he came back what happened. He showed up with maybe 3-4 months of training. This is important because, how many times have you heard that the NFL is year around and you are almost training year around. He's had two years to prepare and did nothing. Second he quit after running poorly at the combine. Like I said the 40 time means little to me. But he quit, he quit. What's going to happen in a game and he gets stopped for no gain a couple of times. Is he going to quit then too. Now one might say well thats a game this is just the combine. Well let me flip it for you. This is just the combine and nobody is hitting you, nobody is counting on you, nobody is going to blame you for the lose. The only thing you are responsible is for yourself, and he can't muster enough heart to see the combine to the end? Third the mom thing. True that Portis referred to his mom too. But their is a difference, Portis would say "My, mom is cool" while Clarett would say "My mom said...." . Now tell me who is the mama's boy.

Good post. You are right he had quite a while to prepare and did poorly at the combine. But as you pointed out, your not into 40 times that much either. So what the guy failed at is something not that important. As to your point about him quitting, yep i already said i was disappointed in him. And yes it is right for you to question what he would do in a game situation. I do think its slightly different so far as in this event Maurice trained for a whole year and after just like 10 seconds..basically two runs all that hard work went up in smoke so he was probably just crushed in the spur of the moment so i think it is somewhat different. But let us say you are right? What if he does that in a game? Or better yet what if he is an a-hole than what. Well as i pointed out earlier, we invested practically nothing here so we put in nothing we gain nothing, its still a wash. I dont deny there are risks but because he has fallen so far, it will take very little to justify this kind of investment. I firmly believe he has NFL starting RB talent. Again, i just think its low risk-high reward.
What are your views on my other boy, Frank Gore? And which backs do you like in this draft? I am interested in hearing your viewpoints on the RB situation in general and the players you like as a whole in the draft.

[watermock]

I suggest we look at some of the crap we have bought into even in the middle rounds. I think you have to realize that Mo has had very little help along the way after he got booted. He was a true freshman thrown into the light, then, poof.

He's still immature, it's obvious, and for that reason, I would see Shanahan giving a determined Gore a chance over Clarett. If someone wants to hire on as a father figure for Mo, he might make it, but I don't see it in Denver. I could see somewhere like Arizona, Oakland ect.

On the high reward factor, it's there, but at what cost when you might be talking to a brick wall and spending time turning him around at the expense of a hard worker? Clarett would of been much better off going back to school before entering the draft, looking back.

He WILL make an NFL roster if he isn't injured or get into trouble.

[SoCalBronco]

i would prefer Gore yes Mock, but i would be happy with clarett also. Gore with a healthy offseason of training would be a beast. Man i am hoping that burst comes back.

[SoCalBronco]

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Good post. You are right he had quite a while to prepare and did poorly at the combine. But as you pointed out, your not into 40 times that much either. So what the guy failed at is something not that important. As to your point about him quitting, yep i already said i was disappointed in him. And yes it is right for you to question what he would do in a game situation. I do think its slightly different so far as in this event Maurice trained for a whole year and after just like 10 seconds..basically two runs all that hard work went up in smoke so he was probably just crushed in the spur of the moment so i think it is somewhat different. But let us say you are right? What if he does that in a game? Or better yet what if he is an a-hole than what. Well as i pointed out earlier, we invested practically nothing here so we put in nothing we gain nothing, its still a wash. I dont deny there are risks but because he has fallen so far, it will take very little to justify this kind of investment. I firmly believe he has NFL starting RB talent. Again, i just think its low risk-high reward.
What are your views on my other boy, Frank Gore? And which backs do you like in this draft? I am interested in hearing your viewpoints on the RB situation in general and the players you like as a whole in the draft.

Good post.

Your saying that he is a "Low risk, high reward" guy. I'm saying there are guys that are more deserving of a shot at the NFL than Clarett.

As for Frank Gore he sound like our kind of back. Tough runner, can cut back against the grain. More info

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I'd like to see us nab Fason.... that dude runs tough. Spryoles is pretty exciting too.. for a midget.

[KillerBronco#76]

i think davis has some upside if not as a running back he could be a punt returner. he's real explosive and he can drag people despite his size although im not sure if he could do the same thing in the nfl. I think he is a very deceptive runner who runs with more power than it seems he should. I think the injury's he had were just bad luck and not realy a problem.

The thing with injurys is that, yeah somtimes its just the player is injury prone, but other times its just bad luck and with injurys this can last a year or two. I should know since i tore my acl and medial meniscus (when my teamate pushed someone down after the wistle and they roled on my knee). and when i got back on the feild again i got a sports hurnia, then during the 8th play of a playoff game a kid cut blocked me from behind and i tore some stuff up in my ankle.Both the ACL and the ankle were just bad luck. I wouldnt say im injury prone at all iv never had any problems before that stretch of injurys. Sometimes its just bad luck.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Yes i too was surprised by his poor performance. It still stands quite in contrast to what i saw on the field from Maurice. Football drills are at best a shaky proxy for on the field performance. As between film and drills, i will give the film more weight in the analysis. As to why the Broncos should draft him, there are two principal arguments. First is team specific. The Broncos RB situation is somewhat more precarious than what may appear on the surface. Tatum Bell looks like he could be a superstar in the NFL. He flashes a great speed burst and has improving vision and power on the inside runs. We know he can beat the defense to the corner in this league. However, his career at Oklahoma State was filled with little injuries here and there and he suffered injuries during his first year here as well. Nonetheless i still like him...ALOT. But what is behind Tatum Bell on the depth chart? Q was a below average RB before he got hurt and while the ACL injury usually has a significant effect on running backs in general, the effect, i believe will be even more acute with Q because the ACL injury will **** up the one thing he does well and that is cutting and juking. Q, whom i respect very much for his character, demeanor and work ethic, is still just a one trick pony and the ACL was the worst thing that could happen to him. Mike Anderson has ZERO burst. After his sensational rookie year in 2000, he hasnt shown much vision or burst, just power. MA is no longer anything special and hasnt been for awhile. Droughns is a good back but we are trying to move him. The rest are scrubs and that isnt in dispute. So we have a bit of a depth problem behind Bell. Also Maurice has good strength and can help us in short yardage whereas all our backs last year struggled mightily in that area. Clarett and Bell can be a great 1-2 punch. The second reason why i wouldnt mind having maurice here is because the risk/reward ratio is strongly in Denver's favor. The investment is at best a 6th and likely a 7th or an UDFA contract. It is undisputed that Maurice has first day talent and possibly first round talent, although that is in dispute. Anytime you can get a guy of that caliber in Round 7, when you have somewhat of a depth problem at that position you should go for it. The investment is virtually nothing. The signing bonus is like 20K i.e. pennies so far as the cap is concerned. Literally pennies. If he starts going flavor clown or is otherwise a malcontent Denver can get rid of him with no loss. So we blew a 7th rounder. We have done that virtually every year i can remember. The only 7th rounders who have been of value in the last 15 years that i remember off the top of my head have been Tom Nalen and Monsanto Pope. Everyone else has been an UNQUALIFIED SCRUB. Which is ofcourse, why they are taken in the 7th round. Usually, Denver's 7th round picks end up either on the IR, Practice squad or out and out cut before the preseason is even over much less the final cutdown day. This is not the classic case of just taking whoever is left at the bottom of the barrell at the end of the draft. This is a real talent. Low Risk/High Reward. Consider what would happen if he shows those same skills he did at Ohio State, a big div1a program who plays real teams and goes against real competition, in Denver? We could, if we want, run him into the ground for a few years for pennies and then trade him for a nice pick. We get everything, we pay nothing. If he ends up a dud, we didnt invest anything of value anyway so it doesnt matter. Further, Maurice KNOWS this is his last shot before working at McDonalds for the rest of his life so he has another incentive to work as hard as he can to make it in the league. He has the incentive to work hard, we know he has very good talent (at the very least Day 1, if not Round1/2 caliber talent), our investment is virtually nothing, our depth at RB is not as great as it seems= Denver should strongly consider selecting him very late on Day 2 if he is there, which is likely.

Always fun to see Clarett supporters squirm away in a backpedal.

[watermock]

Isn't that the Pot calling the kettle black! Unreal.

Tell us more about Sam Brandon!

[FADERPROOF]

Originally Posted by watermock

Isn't that the Pot calling the kettle black! Unreal.

Tell us more about Sam Brandon!

How's Justin Fargas doing?

You've have so many flops it's not even funny, don't start talking down to anyone around here.

[27atwater]

Cedric Houston wouldd fit our system very well and he could be had in the 3rd or later. He may even last until the 5th if we can add a pick somewhere.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally Posted by 27atwater

Cedric Houston wouldd fit our system very well and he could be had in the 3rd or later. He may even last until the 5th if we can add a pick somewhere.

I like Cedric Houston as well, he's at least played the past 2 seasons, plays hard and isn't selfish, and runs faster than 4.82 40.

[RocBronc]

With only5 picks, (assuming a 3rd or 4th round compensation pick), and all the needs we have on the team, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't draft a RB at all, especially if we don't trade Droughns before the draft.