We interviewed Antrel Rolle at the combine

[BroncoInferno]

I don't want to get SoCal up in arms, but I can think of two players on our current roster who alone would fetch a top 10 pick: Ashley Lelie and DJ Williams. I can't see them moving DJ, but I could see them moving Ashley if Shanny is really as enamored with Mike Williams as rumor suggests. A team like Minnesota or Chicago looking to upgrade at receiver would get one of the games top deep threats--and who still has upside--with two remaining on a contract that would be cheaper than a top 10 pick. Not sure if I'd like this move (though I can take a wild guess at SoCal's response ), but just throwing it out there. I will say that, although I like Ashley a great deal, I think Williams will clearly be the better player, and suit our needs better. We need a first down machine who can kill in the red zone. Williams would instantly give us that. Plus, it would leave us with the 25th pick to upgrade defensively. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

[baja]

Why would someone trade their top ten pick for Lelie if that same pick would net them mike Williams?

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

This offseason has been boring we need dreams like this. Like I always say DRAFT A CANE

Rep whore!!!

You knew you were getting rep for that one.

Hell, I don't care if we become the Denver Hurricanes, if it nets us another Superbowl championship. Just DRAFT MIKE WILLIAMS FIRST!!

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by baja fan

Why would someone trade their top ten pick for Lelie if that same pick would net them mike Williams?

Because they'd get an emerging receiver for a fraction of the cost that it will take to sign a top ten pick. If Red McCombs still owns the Vikings at draft time, I wouldn't put it past that cheap skate to go for a move that saves a buck. Also, some teams may prefer an explosive deep threat over a bigger possession guy.

[Ratboy]

Cornerback.. eh?

I wouldn't be agianst it.

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by CBF1

Well according to the value chart, This could work.

Titans pick #6 has a 1600 value

Denvers #25 has a 720 value
Denvers #57 has a 330 value

If we throw in next years #1 that would give the edge in favor to the Titans. The worse 1st round value is 590 for #32 so add that as a minmum value and we have 1640 which can cover the #6 pick.

Now who would you prefer at #6 if available..... Rolle or Williams?

This is way too much for me to think about.

WILLIAMS, without a doubt. I think Walls and Middlebrooks will be solid and hold down that position. I think if we got Mike Williams, it would change the whole dynamics of our team. Williams, along with Jake and Bell would bring our Offense back to (near) the level of our championship years. Put the fear back into the opposing defenses. Let them sweat for a change!!

[BroncoInferno]

Also, Lelie is more proven than any rookie receiver, and is still improving. Plus, there are still some teams leary about Williams, particularly after taking a year off.

It's unlikely at any rate, baja. I was just trying to think of assets that could net a high pick.

[baja]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Because they'd get an emerging receiver for a fraction of the cost that it will take to sign a top ten pick. If Red McCombs still owns the Vikings at draft time, I wouldn't put it past that cheap skate to go for a move that saves a buck. Also, some teams may prefer an explosive deep threat over a bigger possession guy.

If anyone is crazy enought to pass up MW for Ashley Lelie well that works for me. Watts is Ashley in waiting anyway.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by baja fan

If anyone is crasy enought to pass up MW for Ashley Lelie well that works for me. Watts is Ashley in waiting anyway.

There are reportedly still teams leary about Williams. For one thing, they aren't sure how much his year off will stunt his development. Plus, some teams are worried that his body is still growing and he'll get too big.

It also depends on what system a team runs. Chicago wants to run a system similar to the Rams "greatest show on turf" offense. Lelie probably fits in better with that style of offense than does Williams.

And, finally, the cheaper contract with two years remaining would be very attractive, particularly when you're still getting a very talented, still-improving player.

Once again, not likely to materalize...but if Shanny loves Williams as much as has been suggested, who knows?

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I don't want to get SoCal up in arms, but I can think of two players on our current roster who alone would fetch a top 10 pick: Ashley Lelie and DJ Williams. I can't see them moving DJ, but I could see them moving Ashley if Shanny is really as enamored with Mike Williams as rumor suggests. A team like Minnesota or Chicago looking to upgrade at receiver would get one of the games top deep threats--and who still has upside--with two remaining on a contract that would be cheaper than a top 10 pick. Not sure if I'd like this move (though I can take a wild guess at SoCal's response ), but just throwing it out there. I will say that, although I like Ashley a great deal, I think Williams will clearly be the better player, and suit our needs better. We need a first down machine who can kill in the red zone. Williams would instantly give us that. Plus, it would leave us with the 25th pick to upgrade defensively. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

I do definitely believe Mike Williams will be the better player between the two, BUT I was watching some footage from last year and I say a few time where ASH reminded me of Jerry Rice. It was where they had ASH go across the middle down the field alittle, like a medium slant. Jake actually got the ball to him in stride, and ASH angled and turned up field perfectly. It was really nice. It happened on a couple of different occassions, now we just need him to run routes like that more often.

Michael Clayton (rook for Tampa Bay) also did some stuff like that, and was very impressive. Maybe if we didn't already have ASH, Shanny would have pulled the trigger on that trade.

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by baja fan

If anyone is crazy enought to pass up MW for Ashley Lelie well that works for me. Watts is Ashley in waiting anyway.

I think Watts is going to be just STELLAR, hopefully this year, but if not, next year for sure. He's got all the making to be a great one. His hand are fine, I think he actually has real good hands, he just needs to get more confortable in the system. Plus, he's got great suddenness and is quick as a cat!!!

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Play2Win

I do definitely believe Mike Williams will be the better player between the two, BUT I was watching some footage from last year and I say a few time where ASH reminded me of Jerry Rice. It was where they had ASH go across the middle down the field alittle, like a medium slant. Jake actually got the ball to him in stride, and ASH angled and turned up field perfectly. It was really nice. It happened on a couple of different occassions, now we just need him to run routes like that more often.

Michael Clayton (rook for Tampa Bay) also did some stuff like that, and was very impressive. Maybe if we didn't already have ASH, Shanny would have pulled the trigger on that trade.

Yeah, I definately agree that Lelie is very good and getting better. But I also agree with baja on Watts. Some people are impatient as always, and are down on Watts because he didn't catch 70 or 80 passes as a rookie. But he showed me enough to strongly believe that he'll be a big play threat. What we need is a big, strong first down making, red zone dominating machine. I don't see Lelie as that type of player, but Mike Williams will be, IMHO.

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Yeah, I definately agree that Lelie is very good and getting better. But I also agree with baja on Watts. Some people are impatient as always, and are down on Watts because he didn't catch 70 or 80 passes as a rookie. But he showed me enough to strongly believe that he'll be a big play threat. What we need is a big, strong first down making, red zone dominating machine. I don't see Lelie as that type of player, but Mike Williams will be, IMHO.

We're in agreement, I think Watts is going to be awesome. He's in my signature, after all.

And I am sure, by now, everybody know how I feal about Mike Williams.

[Ratboy]

Stop with this Lelie trade talk. It's upsetting me.

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by RTribbey

Stop with this Lelie trade talk. It's upsetting me.

O.K., then how many spots do you think we can move up if we Trade Willie Middlebrooks?

[elsid13]

Does anyone know who else we interviewed? As side notes, last year I don't think Denver talked to DJ before they picked him and Denver sometimes teams up with other franchise and share interview data.

[baja]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

There are reportedly still teams leary about Williams. For one thing, they aren't sure how much his year off will stunt his development. Plus, some teams are worried that his body is still growing and he'll get too big.

It also depends on what system a team runs. Chicago wants to run a system similar to the Rams "greatest show on turf" offense. Lelie probably fits in better with that style of offense than does Williams.

And, finally, the cheaper contract with two years remaining would be very attractive, particularly when you're still getting a very talented, still-improving player.

Once again, not likely to materalize...but if Shanny loves Williams as much as has been suggested, who knows?

Your ponts are well taken Inferno.

BTW Good to see you posting here at the Mane I have always enjoyed reading your well thought out takes.

[Crushaholic]

I wouldn't have a problem with moving Walls to safety. I think he would do well in a limited coverage space. As far as moving up to #6 to get Rolle...I agree that there's nobody on our roster that would be attractive enough to get that done. I just don't feel good about mortgaging our future to get one guy that may or may not pan out.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

I don't want to get SoCal up in arms, but I can think of two players on our current roster who alone would fetch a top 10 pick: Ashley Lelie and DJ Williams. I can't see them moving DJ, but I could see them moving Ashley if Shanny is really as enamored with Mike Williams as rumor suggests. A team like Minnesota or Chicago looking to upgrade at receiver would get one of the games top deep threats--and who still has upside--with two remaining on a contract that would be cheaper than a top 10 pick. Not sure if I'd like this move (though I can take a wild guess at SoCal's response ), but just throwing it out there. I will say that, although I like Ashley a great deal, I think Williams will clearly be the better player, and suit our needs better. We need a first down machine who can kill in the red zone. Williams would instantly give us that. Plus, it would leave us with the 25th pick to upgrade defensively. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

dont worry im not up in arms at the suggestion that this is something the front office might consider. I could see them doing that very thing. I have no faith in this front office to make competent judgments about anything. What would really bother me, besides the fact that the team would be getting rid of my favorite players, is that it isnt a great idea to move up in this particular draft. This draft flat out sucks. If they are going to screw me over they might as well do it in a draft that is actually halfway decent.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by Play2Win

Rep whore!!!

You knew you were getting rep for that one.

Hell, I don't care if we become the Denver Hurricanes, if it nets us another Superbowl championship. Just DRAFT MIKE WILLIAMS FIRST!!

I think if we made a commitment to select either 1 or 2 Hurricanes per year (given that we chose among them well), we would be in good shape to win a super bowl in a couple years. There are some supreme talents coming up in the next two to three years and many of them on the Defensive Line. The defensive line talent in 2005-2006 (and if they stay for their senior years 2007) is going to be unreal folks. Unreal. Especially guys like Rhyan Anderson and the black ted hendricks, Calais Campbell (a Colorado native).

[Play2win]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I think if we made a commitment to select either 1 or 2 Hurricanes per year (given that we chose among them well), we would be in good shape to win a super bowl in a couple years. There are some supreme talents coming up in the next two to three years and many of them on the Defensive Line. The defensive line talent in 2005-2006 (and if they stay for their senior years 2007) is going to be unreal folks. Unreal. Especially guys like Rhyan Anderson and the black ted hendricks, Calais Campbell (a Colorado native).

By the way, I was completely being serious. The amount of high level talent that is coming out of that program is crazy. And it seems over the last few years they're not as many punks, and more blue chipers, which is a very good sign.

Still hope USC wins the national title next year, tho

[Rascal]

If we get Brown and cut Pryce we should be able to get one maybe two solid FA's and sign the guys we get in draft. Unless we just have a huge need and the person who fits that is available I honestly think we should trade down. Getting another first next year or two more seconds this year. Having no second day picks effectively eliminates any chances we have of moving up this year and this draft class isn't worth it anyway (Williams and Rolle being very costly exceptions).

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Does anyone know who else we interviewed? As side notes, last year I don't think Denver talked to DJ before they picked him and Denver sometimes teams up with other franchise and share interview data.

If memory serves me correctly each team gets 60 interviews at the combine. "Friendly" teams trade their interviews and testing results.

[Broncoman13]

How many INT's has Rolle had in the past two or three years at the U?

I'm not so sure Rolle is worth moving up for. Especially when you consider that Jones, Rogers, and Miller are all very talented CB's. From what I've been hearing Jones and Rogers have both moved ahead of Rolle in the CB list. Mark my words Rolle won't go until the late teens or early 20's. Not sure how good he would be at FS..... if we draft him I hope it's to play CB. I'm also hoping.... strongly hoping that we end up with Bullocks. That kid is a play maker. I told a lot of you guys that there are two very stronger play makers at FS in the BIG 12. Huff (UT, who isn't in the draft) and Bullocks. If we don't get Bullocks this year it will take a high first in next years draft to get Huff..... not losing much value by grabbing Bullocks this year.

As for trading Ash. He is one of my favorite Broncos..... that being said, chances are good that he goes for 1200-1500 yards this year and 10 TD's. Good for us this year, but he'll also be asking for 10 mil in bonus money and a big contract. If we're going to get value for him now is the time! I hope it doesn't happen, but I realize the truth of the situation.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Bronco Man 13

How many INT's has Rolle had in the past two or three years at the U?

I'm not so sure Rolle is worth moving up for. Especially when you consider that Jones, Rogers, and Miller are all very talented CB's. From what I've been hearing Jones and Rogers have both moved ahead of Rolle in the CB list. Mark my words Rolle won't go until the late teens or early 20's. Not sure how good he would be at FS..... if we draft him I hope it's to play CB. I'm also hoping.... strongly hoping that we end up with Bullocks. That kid is a play maker. I told a lot of you guys that there are two very stronger play makers at FS in the BIG 12. Huff (UT, who isn't in the draft) and Bullocks. If we don't get Bullocks this year it will take a high first in next years draft to get Huff..... not losing much value by grabbing Bullocks this year.

As for trading Ash. He is one of my favorite Broncos..... that being said, chances are good that he goes for 1200-1500 yards this year and 10 TD's. Good for us this year, but he'll also be asking for 10 mil in bonus money and a big contract. If we're going to get value for him now is the time! I hope it doesn't happen, but I realize the truth of the situation.

I could live with either Bullocks and Rolle. As a NU guy I know about Bullocks. I trust that he will be a good FS in the NFL because he knows D's and he has a eye for the ball. Rolle is going to be a great player as well. Is he that much better then Bullocks? Its hard to say. Rolle is going in the first round and Bullocks isn't, so you have to look at the other guys picked to get the best value. If Denver walks out of the first round with Spears then gets Bullocks in the second that would be awsome, but if Denver walks out with Rolle and Patterson, or Castillo that would be just as good in my mind. The best thing that could happen is Denver lands both guys!!!