Republicans Attempt To Bury American Judicial System - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-18-2005, 06:11 PM

What is with these religious extremists? Are they trying to implement religious rule?

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Brain-Damaged Woman's Feeding Tube Removed
By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - With a furious legal and political battle raging outside her hospice room, doctors removed Terri Schiavo's feeding tube Friday after a judge rebuffed an unprecedented attempt by Congress to keep the brain-damaged woman alive.

Schiavo, 41, could linger one to two weeks without the tube, provided no one intercedes and gets it reinserted — as happened twice before.

The move came after Republicans on Capitol Hill used their subpoena power to demand that Schiavo be brought before a congressional hearing, saying removing the tube amounted to "barbarism." The attorney for Schiavo's husband shot back at a news conference, calling the subpoenas "nothing short of thuggery."

"It was odious, it was shocking, it was disgusting and I think all Americans should be very alarmed about that," George Felos said.

The judge presiding over the case ruled in the husband's favor early Friday afternoon and rejected the request from House attorneys to delay the removal, which he had previously ordered to take place at 1 p.m. EST. Felos said Michael Schiavo was at his wife's side shortly after the tube was disconnected.

The removal of the tube signals that an end may be near in a decade-long family feud between Schiavo's husband and her devoutly Roman Catholic parents, Bob and Mary Schindler. The parents have been trying to oust Michael Schiavo as their daughter's guardian and keep in place the tube that has kept her alive for more than 15 years.

Michael Schiavo says his wife told him she would not want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents dispute that, saying she could get better and that their daughter has laughed, cried, smiled and responded to their voices. Court-appointed physicians testified her brain damage was so severe that there was no hope she would ever have any cognitive abilities.

The family is still hoping for a long-shot legal victory to have the tube re-inserted.

It is unclear how much time the family will have. The effects of such feeding tubes being removed can be seen by the third or fourth day, when the patient's mouth begins to look dry and the eyes appear sunken. From days five to 10, respiration becomes irregular with periods of very fast and then very slow breathing. By the final days, kidney function declines, toxins begin accumulating in the body, and multiple organ systems fail from lack of nutrition.

Court-appointed doctors have said Schiavo will not feel any pain given her state, but her parents' doctors dispute that.

Several right-to-die cases across the nation have been fought in the courts in recent years, but few, if any, have been this drawn-out and bitter.

The case has garnered attention around the world and served as a rallying cry for conservative Christian groups and anti-abortion activists, who flooded members of Congress and Florida legislators with messages seeking to keep Schiavo alive.

Outside Schiavo's hospice, about 30 people keeping vigil dropped to their knees in prayer when word spread of the judge's ruling calling for removal of the tube.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said President Bush (news - web sites) discussed the case with his brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and members of the state's congressional delegation during his swing through Florida on Friday to discuss Social Security (news - web sites) reform.

"We're continuing to monitor developments," McClellan said. "The president believes when there are serious questions or doubts in a case like this that the presumption ought to be in favor of life."

Gov. Jeb Bush said the judge's decision "breaks my heart" and noted that it often takes two decades for a death row inmate's appeals to go through the system.

"There's this rush to starve her to death," Bush said.

But Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record) of California, senior Democrat on the Government Reform Committee, called the subpoenas a "flagrant abuse of power" and said they amounted to Congress dictating the medical care Terri Schiavo should receive.

"Congress is turning the Schiavo family's personal tragedy into a national political farce," Waxman said.

Schiavo suffered severe brain damage in 1990 when a chemical imbalance apparently brought on by an eating disorder caused her heart to stop beating for a few minutes. She can breathe on her own, but has relied on the feeding and hydration tube to keep her alive.

Both sides accused each other of being motivated by greed over a $1 million medical malpractice award from doctors who failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance.

The Schindlers also said that Michael Schiavo wants their daughter dead so he can marry his longtime girlfriend, with whom he has young children. They have begged him to divorce their daughter, and let them care for her.

The tangled case has encompassed at least 19 judges in at least six different courts.

In 2001, Schiavo went without food and water for two days before a judge ordered the tube reinserted when a new witness surfaced.

When the tube was removed in October 2003, her parents and two siblings frantically sought intervention from Gov Jeb. Bush to stop her slow starvation. The governor pushed through "Terri's Law," and six days later the tube was reinserted.

That set off a new round of legal battles which culminated in September 2004 with the Florida Supreme Court (news - web sites) ruling that Bush had overstepped his authority and declared the law unconstitutional.

The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) has been unwilling to hear arguments in the case.

On Feb. 25, Circuit Judge George Greer gave Michael Schiavo permission to order the removal of the feeding tube Friday.

"I have had no cogent reason why the (congressional) committee should intervene," Greer told attorneys in a conference call Friday, adding that last-minute action by Congress does not invalidate years of court rulings.

The attorney for the parents said he would likely file a new appeal early next week with a federal appeals court. He also said he hoped lawmakers in Washington or Tallahassee could agree on legislation that would force the tube to be reinserted. Similar efforts have failed in the past.

"I'm hopeful these men and women can get a strategy, get a focus, because we're running out of time," said attorney David Gibbs.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...maged_woman_70

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-18-2005, 07:18 PM

How many times does the decision of ending life support happen every year?

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Decision to End Life Support a Common One
By DAVID B. CARUSO, Associated Press Writer

PHILADELPHIA - Hospitals and nursing homes don't track how many Americans die each year after some level of life support is withdrawn, but the number is likely to be at least in the tens of thousands, doctors said Friday.

"I make at least one of these decisions daily," said Dr. Sean Morrison, a palliative care physician and professor at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City.

"For a majority of people who die in this country, a decision is made at some point to either withhold or withdraw a medical treatment," he said. "We ask the family what their goals are for the care, and we ask them to consider whether they believe that there is a fate worse than death. If the treatments meet the family's goals, we continue it. If not, we don't."

Such end-of-life decisions are usually made quietly, without anything close to the turmoil or controversy that has marked the case involving Terri Schiavo.

The Florida woman has been in what some doctors describe as a persistent vegetative state for 15 years as her husband and parents have battled in court over whether to remove the feeding tube keeping her alive.

Doctors said her medical situation and the decision to withdraw life support is far from unusual.

Every day at hospitals and nursing homes, relatives of patients who have been rendered unresponsive by a stroke or Alzheimer's disease (news - web sites) instruct doctors to detach their loved one from a ventilator or remove a feeding tube.

People with failed kidneys are taken off dialysis machines. Other patients stop getting chemotherapy or antibiotics, even though it will hasten their death.

"It's so common, many hospitals don't require these kinds of decisions to be brought before an ethics panel anymore," said Laurie Zoloth, a professor of medical ethics Northwestern University.

American Medical Association guidelines bar doctors from performing euthanasia or participating in assisted suicide, but also require physicians to respect a patient's wishes to forgo care, even if it is life sustaining.

In cases where the patient is unable to communicate, the association recommends a spouse or closest relative be given the power to decide whether to withdraw life support. The guidelines allow physicians to discontinue treatment, even if the patient is not terminally ill or permanently unconscious.

Family disputes do happen, said Arthur Caplan, chairman of the department of medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania. Almost none winds up in court.

Most find a way to agree on whether their loved one would have wanted to be kept alive artificially.

"If there is one single lesson to take out of this, it is to fill out a living will, and discuss it with your family," he said, referring to a document that specifies a person's end-of-life wishes.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...life_support_1

alkemical · 03-18-2005, 08:16 PM

Beerslug -

I think the first page in my news thread there's a story on how the 'right' is trying to remove the supreme ct -

alkemical · 03-18-2005, 08:17 PM

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominion...rationAct.html

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-26-2005, 01:09 AM

Republicans Attempt To Bury American Judicial System

Yep - if there's anything republicans hate, it's the rule of law...

Reagan/Bush convictions v. Clinton convictions

When Character Wore Pinstripes: The Reagan and Bush I Administrations

Reagan administration era convictions in the Iran-contra scandal:

14 (two overturned on appeal)

Reagan officials convicted for illegal lobbying:

2 (Lyn Nofziger, White House political director, convicted to 30 days and $30,000 fine, overturned on appeal; Michael Deaver, White House deputy chief of staff, convicted and $100,000, given probation.)

Reagan officials convicted in Housing and Urban Development department scandal:

16

Total Reagan era convictions: 32

Bush I pardons of those indicted and/or convicted of Iran-contra crimes:

7 (5 had been convicted, one was about to receive his sentence, and one, Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger was about to stand trial)

Number of charges in untried indictment (pardoned) of Weinberger:

5

The Vindication of the Clinton Administration:

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with Whitewater:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with Travel Office allegations:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with alleged abuse of FBI files:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/of convicted in connection with Lewinsky matter:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Interior Secretary Bruce Babbit:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Labor Secretary Alexis Herman:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Americorps director Eli Siegal:

0

Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the
Independent Counsel investigation of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown:

0 (Investigation abandoned upon Brown's death in nation's service)

Clinton Administration officials convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Agriculture Secretary Michael Espy:

0 (Espy acquitted of all charges. Judge sharply rebukes Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz for bringing case in the first place.)

Other:

HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for misstating to the F.B.I. the amount of money he gave his girlfriend;

Assistant Attorney-General Webster Hubbell convicted of embezzling funds from Rose Law Firm before his federal appointment; that is, stealing from his law partners, including Hillary Rodham Clinton;

Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker, a political rival of Bill Clinton's, convicted on charges involving local television licensing, and nothing at all to do with Clinton;

Jim and Susan McDougal, convicted of crimes in Whitewater matter. In summation to the court, Independent Counsel declares that President Clinton is innocent of wrongdoing.

The First Criminal Appointments of Bush II

Bush II officials appointed to National Security Council who were also indicted of Iran-contra crime, who plead guilty, and who were pardoned by Bush I:

1 Elliott Abrams

Bush II officials appointed to Department of Defense who were also indicted and convicted of Iran-contra crime but who had convictions set aside on a technicality:

1 John Poindexter

Arkie · 03-26-2005, 01:29 AM

That's why we need arms.
The 2nd amendment is to protect us from our own government.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-26-2005, 02:35 AM

In response to the tragic shooting spree that killed 10 people in Minnesota on Monday, President Bush made his second emergency trip from his Texas ranch back to Washington D. C. in a week. Upon his arrival at the White House at about 3:00 am, he called for emergency sessions of the House and the Senate and demanded tough new firearms legislation in the United States.

During a Tuesday morning press conference, Bush, visibly shaken and angered by the needless loss of lives, vowed to sign a powerful gun control bill into law the moment it hit his desk. “We’ve seen this kind of thing too many times before,” Bush said. “It’s way past time we took serious action to control these dangerous weapons before one more innocent American gets killed.” Bush continued, “It was tragic enough that this troubled young man killed his grandparents and members of the school staff, but words cannot explain my sorrow over the deaths of his five classmates and the shooter himself. These young people had their whole lives ahead of them. The families of the victims may rest assured that their losses have not been in vain. I will not be able to sleep again until I know that I have done everything within my power to prevent such a tragedy from ever happening in this country again.”

Bush ended the press conference with a stern warning to the NRA, saying that any resistance on their part would be met with…

… And then I woke up…

Oh, crap. These are dark ages indeed.

TexanBob · 03-26-2005, 09:47 AM

Cheerleaders for death! Go death go! Die people die! Yank those tubes! Who needs life when you can have a peacful, euphoric death! Everybody grab your kool-aid on the count of three ... one, two....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-26-2005, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Cheerleaders for death! Go death go! Die people die! Yank those tubes! Who needs life when you can have a peacful, euphoric death!

"Life is so precious..."

"Yes, Meester Bush..."

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Everybody grab your kool-aid on the count of three ... one, two....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-26-2005, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Cheerleaders for death! Go death go! Die people die! Yank those tubes! Who needs life when you can have a peacful, euphoric death! Everybody grab your kool-aid on the count of three ... one, two....

TexasBob puts the smackdown on fellow Texan/right-wing hypocrite?

What TOM DE LAY did when HIS DAD was in Terri's situation

Ask Bug Man why he pulled the plug when Daddy needed Dialysis.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-26-2005, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexanBob

Cheerleaders for death! Go death go! Die people die!

One of Texas Pete's confused friends?

Arrest in Michael Schiavo Murder Solicitation

(CNN) -- Authorities said a North Carolina man was arrested Friday by FBI agents on charges of soliciting the murder of a judge and the husband of Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged woman at the center of a legal and moral tug of war.

Authorities said Richard Alan Meywes of Fairview, North Carolina, offered $250,000 for the killing of Michael Schiavo and another $50,000 for the death of Circuit Court Judge George Greer, who ordered Schiavo's feeding tube removed a week ago.

Meywes was arrested without incident at his home about 5 p.m. on charges of solicitation of murder and sending threatening communications, authorities said...

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/03/25/arrest.schiavo/

A day in the life of a "pro-lifer."

__________________________________________________ _

CBS News Poll (parenthesis number is last week):

Congress Job Approval:

Approve 34 (41)
Disapprove 49 (44)

Bush Approval Ratings:

Approve 43 (49)

Should Congress and Bush be involved in the Schiavo matter?

Yes 13
No 82

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005...ain682674.shtml

So it's official: TexanBob is an extremist from the right-wing lunatic fringe.

watermock · 03-27-2005, 08:10 AM

This was allready discussed in the main forum dimwit.

Second, it's amazing your hate for DeLay and Bush would even creep into this discussion.

God your an idiot.

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-27-2005, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watermock

This was allready discussed in the main forum dimwit.

Second, it's amazing your hate for DeLay and Bush would even creep into this discussion.

God your an idiot.

Delay led the conservative charge to overturn the our judicial system in the Schiavo case and Bush was the head cheerleader. Anyone know why Bush didn't say anything about the HS kid shooting 20 people (killing nine) for a week?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-27-2005, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Delay led the conservative charge to overturn the our judicial system in the Schiavo case and Bush was the head cheerleader. Anyone know why Bush didn't say anything about the HS kid shooting 20 people (killing nine) for a week?

Apparently, news travels slowly to watercock's neck of the woods.

Watercock's motto:

If you can't hang in a debate, just call your opponent a "dimwit," breathe a little Wild Turkey breath in his face, and declare victory.

TheDave · 03-28-2005, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosko

That's why we need arms.
The 2nd amendment is to protect us from our own government.

Back in the day, when everyone had muskets, i understand that... Today if the gov't decides to get ornery i think they're latest apache just might out gun all of your Smith & Wesson's... Just my opinion.

alkemical · 03-28-2005, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

Back in the day, when everyone had muskets, i understand that... Today if the gov't decides to get ornery i think they're latest apache just might out gun all of your Smith & Wesson's... Just my opinion.

i dunno, it seems the 'resistance' is doing ok over in iraq. I mean our troops are still there, but it seems the nightly news story of "another 5 troops were killed today" would start to sway people.

TheDave · 03-28-2005, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amesj523

i dunno, it seems the 'resistance' is doing ok over in iraq. I mean our troops are still there, but it seems the nightly news story of "another 5 troops were killed today" would start to sway people.

again, just my opinion... but i think the resistance is packing a little more than a collection of Smith & Wessons

Spider · 03-28-2005, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

again, just my opinion... but i think the resistance is packing a little more than a collection of Smith & Wessons

Black cat fire works and Pop bottle rockets

alkemical · 03-28-2005, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

again, just my opinion... but i think the resistance is packing a little more than a collection of Smith & Wessons

IF a situation came to where it was the people vs. the gov't - the black market would supply such items.

MLB · 03-28-2005, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

Back in the day, when everyone had muskets, i understand that... Today if the gov't decides to get ornery i think they're latest apache just might out gun all of your Smith & Wesson's... Just my opinion.

That's assuming that the Apaches aren't grounded for maintenance.

A Smith & Wesson is probably more reliable than one of those POS Apaches.

Spider · 03-28-2005, 03:26 PM

@ the justification and qualifiers ...... .357 mag ( fine firearm) in the hands of a redneck vs the USA Army .......

alkemical · 03-28-2005, 03:37 PM

hey a buch of 'rednecks' beat the british.

Spider · 03-28-2005, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amesj523

hey a buch of 'rednecks' beat the british.

with Help ..... Point is the Milatary is far more advanced now , More advanced then Billy Joe Bob and his rifle ........ Hell the FBI could take you out .....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-28-2005, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by §Pide®

with Help ..... Point is the Milatary is far more advanced now , More advanced then Billy Joe Bob and his rifle ........

True - yet, for the past two years, that same "advanced" military has been bogged down in a guerrilla war against a much smaller, more poorly-equipped insurgency in Iraqmire.

Funny how things work out sometimes...

alkemical · 03-28-2005, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by §Pide®

with Help ..... Point is the Milatary is far more advanced now , More advanced then Billy Joe Bob and his rifle ........ Hell the FBI could take you out .....

The unibomber lasted 20 years until his bro turned him in, that eric rudolph guy lasted 3 years just roaming around the woods -

Not to mention, IF our military was to WANT to take on it's people.

03-18-2005, 06:11 PM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	Republicans Attempt To Bury American Judicial System What is with these religious extremists? Are they trying to implement religious rule? ------------------------------------------------------- Brain-Damaged Woman's Feeding Tube Removed By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - With a furious legal and political battle raging outside her hospice room, doctors removed Terri Schiavo's feeding tube Friday after a judge rebuffed an unprecedented attempt by Congress to keep the brain-damaged woman alive. Schiavo, 41, could linger one to two weeks without the tube, provided no one intercedes and gets it reinserted — as happened twice before. The move came after Republicans on Capitol Hill used their subpoena power to demand that Schiavo be brought before a congressional hearing, saying removing the tube amounted to "barbarism." The attorney for Schiavo's husband shot back at a news conference, calling the subpoenas "nothing short of thuggery." "It was odious, it was shocking, it was disgusting and I think all Americans should be very alarmed about that," George Felos said. The judge presiding over the case ruled in the husband's favor early Friday afternoon and rejected the request from House attorneys to delay the removal, which he had previously ordered to take place at 1 p.m. EST. Felos said Michael Schiavo was at his wife's side shortly after the tube was disconnected. The removal of the tube signals that an end may be near in a decade-long family feud between Schiavo's husband and her devoutly Roman Catholic parents, Bob and Mary Schindler. The parents have been trying to oust Michael Schiavo as their daughter's guardian and keep in place the tube that has kept her alive for more than 15 years. Michael Schiavo says his wife told him she would not want to be kept alive artificially. Her parents dispute that, saying she could get better and that their daughter has laughed, cried, smiled and responded to their voices. Court-appointed physicians testified her brain damage was so severe that there was no hope she would ever have any cognitive abilities. The family is still hoping for a long-shot legal victory to have the tube re-inserted. It is unclear how much time the family will have. The effects of such feeding tubes being removed can be seen by the third or fourth day, when the patient's mouth begins to look dry and the eyes appear sunken. From days five to 10, respiration becomes irregular with periods of very fast and then very slow breathing. By the final days, kidney function declines, toxins begin accumulating in the body, and multiple organ systems fail from lack of nutrition. Court-appointed doctors have said Schiavo will not feel any pain given her state, but her parents' doctors dispute that. Several right-to-die cases across the nation have been fought in the courts in recent years, but few, if any, have been this drawn-out and bitter. The case has garnered attention around the world and served as a rallying cry for conservative Christian groups and anti-abortion activists, who flooded members of Congress and Florida legislators with messages seeking to keep Schiavo alive. Outside Schiavo's hospice, about 30 people keeping vigil dropped to their knees in prayer when word spread of the judge's ruling calling for removal of the tube. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said President Bush (news - web sites) discussed the case with his brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and members of the state's congressional delegation during his swing through Florida on Friday to discuss Social Security (news - web sites) reform. "We're continuing to monitor developments," McClellan said. "The president believes when there are serious questions or doubts in a case like this that the presumption ought to be in favor of life." Gov. Jeb Bush said the judge's decision "breaks my heart" and noted that it often takes two decades for a death row inmate's appeals to go through the system. "There's this rush to starve her to death," Bush said. But Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record) of California, senior Democrat on the Government Reform Committee, called the subpoenas a "flagrant abuse of power" and said they amounted to Congress dictating the medical care Terri Schiavo should receive. "Congress is turning the Schiavo family's personal tragedy into a national political farce," Waxman said. Schiavo suffered severe brain damage in 1990 when a chemical imbalance apparently brought on by an eating disorder caused her heart to stop beating for a few minutes. She can breathe on her own, but has relied on the feeding and hydration tube to keep her alive. Both sides accused each other of being motivated by greed over a $1 million medical malpractice award from doctors who failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance. The Schindlers also said that Michael Schiavo wants their daughter dead so he can marry his longtime girlfriend, with whom he has young children. They have begged him to divorce their daughter, and let them care for her. The tangled case has encompassed at least 19 judges in at least six different courts. In 2001, Schiavo went without food and water for two days before a judge ordered the tube reinserted when a new witness surfaced. When the tube was removed in October 2003, her parents and two siblings frantically sought intervention from Gov Jeb. Bush to stop her slow starvation. The governor pushed through "Terri's Law," and six days later the tube was reinserted. That set off a new round of legal battles which culminated in September 2004 with the Florida Supreme Court (news - web sites) ruling that Bush had overstepped his authority and declared the law unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) has been unwilling to hear arguments in the case. On Feb. 25, Circuit Judge George Greer gave Michael Schiavo permission to order the removal of the feeding tube Friday. "I have had no cogent reason why the (congressional) committee should intervene," Greer told attorneys in a conference call Friday, adding that last-minute action by Congress does not invalidate years of court rulings. The attorney for the parents said he would likely file a new appeal early next week with a federal appeals court. He also said he hoped lawmakers in Washington or Tallahassee could agree on legislation that would force the tube to be reinserted. Similar efforts have failed in the past. "I'm hopeful these men and women can get a strategy, get a focus, because we're running out of time," said attorney David Gibbs. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...maged_woman_70

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03-18-2005, 07:18 PM	#2
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	How many times does the decision of ending life support happen every year? --------------------------------------------------------- Decision to End Life Support a Common One By DAVID B. CARUSO, Associated Press Writer PHILADELPHIA - Hospitals and nursing homes don't track how many Americans die each year after some level of life support is withdrawn, but the number is likely to be at least in the tens of thousands, doctors said Friday. "I make at least one of these decisions daily," said Dr. Sean Morrison, a palliative care physician and professor at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City. "For a majority of people who die in this country, a decision is made at some point to either withhold or withdraw a medical treatment," he said. "We ask the family what their goals are for the care, and we ask them to consider whether they believe that there is a fate worse than death. If the treatments meet the family's goals, we continue it. If not, we don't." Such end-of-life decisions are usually made quietly, without anything close to the turmoil or controversy that has marked the case involving Terri Schiavo. The Florida woman has been in what some doctors describe as a persistent vegetative state for 15 years as her husband and parents have battled in court over whether to remove the feeding tube keeping her alive. Doctors said her medical situation and the decision to withdraw life support is far from unusual. Every day at hospitals and nursing homes, relatives of patients who have been rendered unresponsive by a stroke or Alzheimer's disease (news - web sites) instruct doctors to detach their loved one from a ventilator or remove a feeding tube. People with failed kidneys are taken off dialysis machines. Other patients stop getting chemotherapy or antibiotics, even though it will hasten their death. "It's so common, many hospitals don't require these kinds of decisions to be brought before an ethics panel anymore," said Laurie Zoloth, a professor of medical ethics Northwestern University. American Medical Association guidelines bar doctors from performing euthanasia or participating in assisted suicide, but also require physicians to respect a patient's wishes to forgo care, even if it is life sustaining. In cases where the patient is unable to communicate, the association recommends a spouse or closest relative be given the power to decide whether to withdraw life support. The guidelines allow physicians to discontinue treatment, even if the patient is not terminally ill or permanently unconscious. Family disputes do happen, said Arthur Caplan, chairman of the department of medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania. Almost none winds up in court. Most find a way to agree on whether their loved one would have wanted to be kept alive artificially. "If there is one single lesson to take out of this, it is to fill out a living will, and discuss it with your family," he said, referring to a document that specifies a person's end-of-life wishes. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...life_support_1

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03-18-2005, 08:17 PM	#4
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominion...rationAct.html

03-26-2005, 01:09 AM	#5
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,697	Republicans Attempt To Bury American Judicial System Yep - if there's anything republicans hate, it's the rule of law... Reagan/Bush convictions v. Clinton convictions When Character Wore Pinstripes: The Reagan and Bush I Administrations Reagan administration era convictions in the Iran-contra scandal: 14 (two overturned on appeal) Reagan officials convicted for illegal lobbying: 2 (Lyn Nofziger, White House political director, convicted to 30 days and $30,000 fine, overturned on appeal; Michael Deaver, White House deputy chief of staff, convicted and $100,000, given probation.) Reagan officials convicted in Housing and Urban Development department scandal: 16 Total Reagan era convictions: 32 Bush I pardons of those indicted and/or convicted of Iran-contra crimes: 7 (5 had been convicted, one was about to receive his sentence, and one, Secretary of Defense, Caspar Weinberger was about to stand trial) Number of charges in untried indictment (pardoned) of Weinberger: 5 The Vindication of the Clinton Administration: Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with Whitewater: 0 Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with Travel Office allegations: 0 Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with alleged abuse of FBI files: 0 Clinton administration officials indicted and/of convicted in connection with Lewinsky matter: 0 Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Interior Secretary Bruce Babbit: 0 Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Labor Secretary Alexis Herman: 0 Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Americorps director Eli Siegal: 0 Clinton administration officials indicted and/or convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown: 0 (Investigation abandoned upon Brown's death in nation's service) Clinton Administration officials convicted in connection with the Independent Counsel investigation of Agriculture Secretary Michael Espy: 0 (Espy acquitted of all charges. Judge sharply rebukes Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz for bringing case in the first place.) Other: HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for misstating to the F.B.I. the amount of money he gave his girlfriend; Assistant Attorney-General Webster Hubbell convicted of embezzling funds from Rose Law Firm before his federal appointment; that is, stealing from his law partners, including Hillary Rodham Clinton; Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker, a political rival of Bill Clinton's, convicted on charges involving local television licensing, and nothing at all to do with Clinton; Jim and Susan McDougal, convicted of crimes in Whitewater matter. In summation to the court, Independent Counsel declares that President Clinton is innocent of wrongdoing. The First Criminal Appointments of Bush II Bush II officials appointed to National Security Council who were also indicted of Iran-contra crime, who plead guilty, and who were pardoned by Bush I: 1 Elliott Abrams Bush II officials appointed to Department of Defense who were also indicted and convicted of Iran-contra crime but who had convictions set aside on a technicality: 1 John Poindexter

03-26-2005, 01:29 AM	#6
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,130 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	That's why we need arms. The 2nd amendment is to protect us from our own government.

03-26-2005, 02:35 AM	#7
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,697	In response to the tragic shooting spree that killed 10 people in Minnesota on Monday, President Bush made his second emergency trip from his Texas ranch back to Washington D. C. in a week. Upon his arrival at the White House at about 3:00 am, he called for emergency sessions of the House and the Senate and demanded tough new firearms legislation in the United States. During a Tuesday morning press conference, Bush, visibly shaken and angered by the needless loss of lives, vowed to sign a powerful gun control bill into law the moment it hit his desk. “We’ve seen this kind of thing too many times before,” Bush said. “It’s way past time we took serious action to control these dangerous weapons before one more innocent American gets killed.” Bush continued, “It was tragic enough that this troubled young man killed his grandparents and members of the school staff, but words cannot explain my sorrow over the deaths of his five classmates and the shooter himself. These young people had their whole lives ahead of them. The families of the victims may rest assured that their losses have not been in vain. I will not be able to sleep again until I know that I have done everything within my power to prevent such a tragedy from ever happening in this country again.” Bush ended the press conference with a stern warning to the NRA, saying that any resistance on their part would be met with… … And then I woke up… Oh, crap. These are dark ages indeed.

03-26-2005, 09:47 AM	#8
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Cheerleaders for death! Go death go! Die people die! Yank those tubes! Who needs life when you can have a peacful, euphoric death! Everybody grab your kool-aid on the count of three ... one, two....

03-27-2005, 08:10 AM	#12
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	This was allready discussed in the main forum dimwit. Second, it's amazing your hate for DeLay and Bush would even creep into this discussion. God your an idiot.

03-28-2005, 03:26 PM	#21
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	@ the justification and qualifiers ...... .357 mag ( fine firearm) in the hands of a redneck vs the USA Army .......

03-28-2005, 03:37 PM	#22
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	hey a buch of 'rednecks' beat the british.