Gas Passes $3 a Gallon: Oil Prices Break Records and Climbing - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-16-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

The gas station by my house for the most expensive stuff is 1.81

The stuff I put in my car is 1.69

You people have no one but yourselves to blame. You dont have to drive a car you know.

Maybe if you speak up loud enough the rich oil arab camel jockeys will lower their prices just for your whining asses.

I nominate this as the most informative, educated post of the thread.

Rascal · 03-16-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Anybody know what the hold up is with Ethanol? It can be made dirt cheap (at least to my knowledge), works withing our current infastructure, and god knows we grow enough Corn already. I know some states already sell 85% ethanol fuel, so most FI cars can handle it... Unless there is something i'm missing move over to this and cut or dependence on oil today...

As I understand it messes up your engine pretty easy. I think it weakens the metal inside and such since it burns at higher temperature. That doesn't mean the engines can't or should be upgraded, but with the engines that we currently have. They would need to start pumping out engines today that can handle that increase temperature and then make the switch...not make the switch and everybody's engine goes bad. If that happens you might want to buy some stock in an engine manufacturer.

Husky Jerk · 03-16-2005, 01:56 PM

In Iowa, if I remember right, they sell 93 octane 85% ethanol gas for the same price as 87 octane regular gas. Why they don't carry 87 ethanol, I don't know but most people still use the 87. Maybe it just hasn't caught on yet but it would seem to me that if people were buying it, it wouldn't be the same price. I ran it in my '03 F150 and maybe got a slight improvement in mileage.

Spider · 03-16-2005, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

The gas station by my house for the most expensive stuff is 1.81

The stuff I put in my car is 1.69

You people have no one but yourselves to blame. You dont have to drive a car you know.

Maybe if you speak up loud enough the rich oil arab camel jockeys will lower their prices just for your whining asses.

.Not all of us live in a community were mass transit is an option ......

Rascal · 03-16-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

.Not all of us live in a community were mass transit is an option ......

yeap

TheDave · 03-16-2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlecRaenos

The gas station by my house for the most expensive stuff is 1.81

The stuff I put in my car is 1.69

You people have no one but yourselves to blame. You dont have to drive a car you know.

Maybe if you speak up loud enough the rich oil arab camel jockeys will lower their prices just for your whining asses.

Good morning Alec, did our "whining" wake you up...

****ing drunks... always cranky...

Spider · 03-16-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Good morning Alec, did our "whining" wake you up...

****ing drunks... always cranky...

living with in Walking distance of a bar must be nice hey ......

bendog · 03-16-2005, 02:09 PM

Ah, Laramie. Sometimes I'd forget what bar I'd parked my 65 Impala, and I'd ride my bike for a week until I happened upon the beast. Big knobby for the mtn bike in Winter! Riding home drunk on the ice in the dark with 25-30mph wind, an adventure.

Hogan11 · 03-16-2005, 02:12 PM

$2.17 here in Western NY....it rises 2 cents everyday. Driving 80 miles round trip to work and back doesn't help matters any.

Oh I know the drill..... "Yeah but , when adjusted to inflation...blah, blah, blah......we're still paying less than we did in 1980 and are still paying less than the rest of the world...blah, blah, blah....if the Dems had voted for W's energy bill....blah, blah, blah"

No rationalization can sugarcoat it....the big gouge is well on it's way again....bend over

watermock · 03-16-2005, 02:19 PM

Oh brother. Let this farm boy explain it.

First, corn has alot of calorie in the corn itself, but it doesn't come cheap either. Alot of petrochemicals and energy are used to produce corn itself. Put in the whole context, it's pretty inefficient. Diesel, fertilizer made from oil, manufacturing equipment, movement and transport are all in themselves factors in production cost.

The reason alcohol isn't that great on engines is it is a lower octane, burns a little hotter, but mainly, it doesn't have the lubrication properties of gasoline.

Alcohol would be better suited for a turbine styled motor, or even rotary. It would also work well for heating, altho Natural Gas is still cheaper actually.

There is no infrastructure really, other than to blend it into gasoline. I drive on it all the time, it's about 2 cents cheaper than straight gas and never have a problem. When you add HEET to your gas tank, it's basically alcohol and used to get water out, but a problem of alcohol is that it can create consensation in fuel lines. It eliminates it but can also cause problems, if that makes any sense.

The only reason ethanol works is because corn is so incredibly cheap. In the old days, corn cobs were burned. Today, the cobs are chewed up by combines instead of "picked" and allowed to dry on the cob, now expensive gas dryers bring the corn down to a moisture level that can be stored. Corn Cobs are a pretty good heating source, but they are extremely bulky and light. Corn Kernels are heavy. If not properly stored, the farmer can find his bin a giant fermenter that would make Jack Daniels proud. Corn brings mice, and man is Beezlebub a mouser!

Farming now is totally different than even when I grew up. Tractors and Semis and Combines, rent and fuels require arount half a million of operating capital per year.

As far as making ethanol, anything with sugar can be used. Hemp would make an excellent source because it will grow anywhere. It's sugar content isn't high, but you could grow tons of it in harsh climates without fertilizer, it doesn't wear down the soil or get it "stoned", and the excess is basically fiber which dried, can be used as a construction matererial. Hemp has been used for centuries.

Go Green, Go Hemp!

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-16-2005, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

Oh brother. Let this farm boy explain it.

Farming now is totally different than even when I grew up. Tractors and Semis and Combines, rent and fuels require arount half a million of operating capital per year.

This is why the romantic idea of the family farm is dead. How are you going to pay for that with 160 acres of wheat?

Go Green, Go Hemp!

Mock - Now we know the source of your late night rants.

Atlas · 03-16-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I agree 100%!!!! We need to move to renewable and alternative energy ASAP!
Our dependence on oil leaves us vulnerable and actually funds terrorism.

It would make a huge difference if people got rid of their pickups and SUVs. Of course we know this isn't going to happen so the demand and high prices will be there from now until an alternative fuel becomes efficient.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-16-2005, 05:13 PM

1970's oil prices spiked, caused shortages, forcing auto makers to improve fuel efficency. Same thing is happening now. Witht he oil industry, you have to shock the market, then improvements come.

Atlas · 03-16-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by quiettiger

I think if they can have threads about farts on the main page this is certainly more relevant.

Gas in Iraq is .15 a gallon. I am not kidding. One of the biggest things to steal over here is oil. Imagine the profit of a tanker filled with the stuff. They are doing a good job catching them but it cannot be easy.

.

The economy must be improving there. It was .03 a gallon when I was there!! Good for the Iraqis.

I know in Kuwait it was about .74 a gallon. All the gas money goes straight to the Kuwaiti government. They own all the gas stations ect...

alkemical · 03-16-2005, 05:20 PM

It's about $2/gal for 87octane here -

Atlas · 03-16-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

This isn't a result of the price of the barrel today whatever it is...this is just a case of the gomba gas stations gouging us at the pump...no more...no less. It should be illegal...and the whatever.gov should freeze the price every year.

This is about supply and demand. This isn't the oil companies. OPEC is basically at maximum output. There are many countries around the world that are modernizing and are in high demand for gas. China and India are the biggest ones. Get used to the high prices they aren't going away. I recomend that everyone ditch their gas guzzleling trucks because it's not going to get any better. My Dodge gets 14 MPG. It's paid for so I'm going to trade it this spring.

Meck77 · 03-16-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

.Not all of us live in a community were mass transit is an option ......

Get a horse.

Tombstone RJ · 03-16-2005, 06:06 PM

The Ethanol lobby is a powerful lobby too. I'm suprised they aren't making more of a push to get ethanol production up across the US. The IRL is switching to ethanol as its fuel for 2006, so that will give it a little more exposure.

There has to be some major drawbacks with ethanol because it sounds like a nice source of fuel for cars... I know the oil lobby is powerful in DC, but so is the ethanol lobby...

alkemical · 03-16-2005, 06:10 PM

This site is down right now, but when it comes backup - here's a good story:

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?Id=1717
The Myth of "Peak Oil" by Charles Featherstone [Posted January 12, 2005] I am often asked about the "peak oil" theory. I've even had some people send me junk mail predicting when the date would come. Sometime in June, 2006, I recall. (Unsolicited investment advice: go very long!) I didn't really pay attention. And yet many do. There are websites, books, email lists, conferences, and tracts of every sort promoting this doomsday theory (here is a google of the subject, and, yes, the domain name peakoil.com is taken). In millennialist language, these people say that the human race is on the verge of a massive turning point because oil is nearly depleted. You can fill in the rest.

~Crash~ · 03-16-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I agree 100%!!!! We need to move to renewable and alternative energy ASAP!
Our dependence on oil leaves us vulnerable and actually funds terrorism.

that would mean more dams

good luck making dams .................a snail might die !?!

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-16-2005, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amesj523

This site is down right now, but when it comes backup - here's a good story:

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?Id=1717
The Myth of "Peak Oil" by Charles Featherstone [Posted January 12, 2005] I am often asked about the "peak oil" theory. I've even had some people send me junk mail predicting when the date would come. Sometime in June, 2006, I recall. (Unsolicited investment advice: go very long!) I didn't really pay attention. And yet many do. There are websites, books, email lists, conferences, and tracts of every sort promoting this doomsday theory (here is a google of the subject, and, yes, the domain name peakoil.com is taken). In millennialist language, these people say that the human race is on the verge of a massive turning point because oil is nearly depleted. You can fill in the rest.

I don't think many analysts believe oil is "nearly depleted" but there are quite a few questions about reaching peak output which many are speculating we have reached..

Spider · 03-16-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Meck77

Get a horse.

I can get my hands on some fresh Broke mustangs , Solve our Parking problems ...... But then knowing my luck the price of hey would go through the roof

Meck77 · 03-16-2005, 06:48 PM

When I had a horse I thought about riding him down to the local 7-eleven. It's about a mile from my house. Only problem was his former owner abused him and his health was pretty bad. You may remember seeing picks of him Spider. His name was Elway. Poor bastard was 35 years old and coughed like a son of a gun. Would have been fun cruising down the sidewalks with him though.

Apparently it still is legal to ride horses on sidewalks in Aurora. Or so I was told. I think I'm going to test the law this summer.

Spider · 03-16-2005, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meck77

When I had a horse I thought about riding him down to the local 7-eleven. It's about a mile from my house. Only problem was his former owner abused him and his health was pretty bad. You may remember seeing picks of him Spider. His name was Elway. Poor bastard was 35 years old and coughed like a son of a gun. Would have been fun cruising down the sidewalks with him though.

Apparently it still is legal to ride horses on sidewalks in Aurora. Or so I was told. I think I'm going to test the law this summer.

remember that horse ....... Yes you can still Ride horses , Just about anywhere except for Washington DC ( I think ) ....... Denver did Pass a alw about owning Hooved Animals in the city , but you can own one outside of the city , and ride one in ( IE the national Western Stock show for example )
@ least thats the way it used to be ........

Spider · 03-16-2005, 06:58 PM

Remind me Meck I will fget ahold of My Cousin he is a long standing Member in the AQHA ......about the Law for you ......

03-16-2005, 02:12 PM	#84
Hogan11 Rock-N-Roll Historian Let's take these SOB's out!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: W.NY.B.C. Posts: 21,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Floyd Little	$2.17 here in Western NY....it rises 2 cents everyday. Driving 80 miles round trip to work and back doesn't help matters any. Oh I know the drill..... "Yeah but , when adjusted to inflation...blah, blah, blah......we're still paying less than we did in 1980 and are still paying less than the rest of the world...blah, blah, blah....if the Dems had voted for W's energy bill....blah, blah, blah" No rationalization can sugarcoat it....the big gouge is well on it's way again....bend over Last edited by Hogan11; 03-16-2005 at 02:16 PM..

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03-16-2005, 01:56 PM	#78
Husky Jerk Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 138	In Iowa, if I remember right, they sell 93 octane 85% ethanol gas for the same price as 87 octane regular gas. Why they don't carry 87 ethanol, I don't know but most people still use the 87. Maybe it just hasn't caught on yet but it would seem to me that if people were buying it, it wouldn't be the same price. I ran it in my '03 F150 and maybe got a slight improvement in mileage.

03-16-2005, 02:09 PM	#83
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	Ah, Laramie. Sometimes I'd forget what bar I'd parked my 65 Impala, and I'd ride my bike for a week until I happened upon the beast. Big knobby for the mtn bike in Winter! Riding home drunk on the ice in the dark with 25-30mph wind, an adventure.

03-16-2005, 02:19 PM	#85
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Oh brother. Let this farm boy explain it. First, corn has alot of calorie in the corn itself, but it doesn't come cheap either. Alot of petrochemicals and energy are used to produce corn itself. Put in the whole context, it's pretty inefficient. Diesel, fertilizer made from oil, manufacturing equipment, movement and transport are all in themselves factors in production cost. The reason alcohol isn't that great on engines is it is a lower octane, burns a little hotter, but mainly, it doesn't have the lubrication properties of gasoline. Alcohol would be better suited for a turbine styled motor, or even rotary. It would also work well for heating, altho Natural Gas is still cheaper actually. There is no infrastructure really, other than to blend it into gasoline. I drive on it all the time, it's about 2 cents cheaper than straight gas and never have a problem. When you add HEET to your gas tank, it's basically alcohol and used to get water out, but a problem of alcohol is that it can create consensation in fuel lines. It eliminates it but can also cause problems, if that makes any sense. The only reason ethanol works is because corn is so incredibly cheap. In the old days, corn cobs were burned. Today, the cobs are chewed up by combines instead of "picked" and allowed to dry on the cob, now expensive gas dryers bring the corn down to a moisture level that can be stored. Corn Cobs are a pretty good heating source, but they are extremely bulky and light. Corn Kernels are heavy. If not properly stored, the farmer can find his bin a giant fermenter that would make Jack Daniels proud. Corn brings mice, and man is Beezlebub a mouser! Farming now is totally different than even when I grew up. Tractors and Semis and Combines, rent and fuels require arount half a million of operating capital per year. As far as making ethanol, anything with sugar can be used. Hemp would make an excellent source because it will grow anywhere. It's sugar content isn't high, but you could grow tons of it in harsh climates without fertilizer, it doesn't wear down the soil or get it "stoned", and the excess is basically fiber which dried, can be used as a construction matererial. Hemp has been used for centuries. Go Green, Go Hemp!

03-16-2005, 05:13 PM	#88
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,681 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	1970's oil prices spiked, caused shortages, forcing auto makers to improve fuel efficency. Same thing is happening now. Witht he oil industry, you have to shock the market, then improvements come.

03-16-2005, 05:20 PM	#90
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	It's about $2/gal for 87octane here -

03-16-2005, 06:06 PM	#93
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,313 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	The Ethanol lobby is a powerful lobby too. I'm suprised they aren't making more of a push to get ethanol production up across the US. The IRL is switching to ethanol as its fuel for 2006, so that will give it a little more exposure. There has to be some major drawbacks with ethanol because it sounds like a nice source of fuel for cars... I know the oil lobby is powerful in DC, but so is the ethanol lobby...

03-16-2005, 06:10 PM	#94
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	This site is down right now, but when it comes backup - here's a good story: http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?Id=1717 The Myth of "Peak Oil" by Charles Featherstone [Posted January 12, 2005] I am often asked about the "peak oil" theory. I've even had some people send me junk mail predicting when the date would come. Sometime in June, 2006, I recall. (Unsolicited investment advice: go very long!) I didn't really pay attention. And yet many do. There are websites, books, email lists, conferences, and tracts of every sort promoting this doomsday theory (here is a google of the subject, and, yes, the domain name peakoil.com is taken). In millennialist language, these people say that the human race is on the verge of a massive turning point because oil is nearly depleted. You can fill in the rest.

03-16-2005, 06:48 PM	#98
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,312	When I had a horse I thought about riding him down to the local 7-eleven. It's about a mile from my house. Only problem was his former owner abused him and his health was pretty bad. You may remember seeing picks of him Spider. His name was Elway. Poor bastard was 35 years old and coughed like a son of a gun. Would have been fun cruising down the sidewalks with him though. Apparently it still is legal to ride horses on sidewalks in Aurora. Or so I was told. I think I'm going to test the law this summer.

03-16-2005, 06:58 PM	#100
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Remind me Meck I will fget ahold of My Cousin he is a long standing Member in the AQHA ......about the Law for you ......