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bendog · 03-10-2005, 08:28 AM

he coulda put an eye out with that plastic fork. he's luck Cal wasn't on the scene, cause he'd have be needing a new knee after Cal batoned him as he was writhing fromt he taser (-:

My fav cop story, that I can tell, was when the cops responded to a shooting at a convenience store that an aquaintace ran. Guys tried to hold him up, so he drew his 'nine' and started shooting. They got away. Cops came by "don't you know it's illegal to discharge a firearm in the city of jackson city limits." Guy responds, "don't you know its illegal to rob a convenience store in the city of jackson"

police left.

JunkyardWillie · 03-10-2005, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

as opposed to before when we all trusted cops and they repeatedly abused their power and lied about their encounters in which they might have had some fault.

yah letting the media and video in and believing eye witnesses was the worst thing that happened to cops.

like i said police officers are human as well. the simple fact that when they make mistakes it leads to public outcry proves that they are held to a higher standard. you say cops repeatedly abuse their power and lie. you must be basing that opinion on some insider information that only you know about because since the Rampart cops got busted I cant think of any instance where a cop was found to lie.

alkemical · 03-10-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyardWillie

and if you were the victim of the crime they were investigating and you learned the cops did not stop and investigate someone who matched a discription you would feel the cops did not do their jobs. if you did nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. i'm sure in your childish example you were let go once the investigation proved you did nothing wrong.

You are an idiot.

Considering cops in my area just got busted for child porn, rape, pilfering the evidence locker - pulling me over with no probably cause, other than they had nothing better to do.

My cousin is a cop, my uncle is a cop - and i tell them it's the meatheads that **** everyone over is gaining the mistrust of the populous.

Rascal · 03-10-2005, 08:37 AM

ah...here is something:

"meanwhile, much of Taser's public relations have been centered on questions about its guns' safety. Some 80 people have died after Taser shocks, mostly from heart or respiratory failure."

Source: Tracking the Numbers/Street Sleuth: Stun-Gun Maker Taser's Shares Face More Shocks, 11 January 2005, The Wall Street Journal.

While there may not be a decided court case yet (as most have either been settled or still in litigation), there are a lot cases where Taser's use has resulted in someone being killed. And since it is marketed as "non-lethal" and "saving lives every day" Taser might have a problem. It's own website says "Taser International provides advanced non-lethal devices for use in law enforcement, blah, blah blah. Taser devices are among the safest and most effective use-of-force choices available".

The real question is going to be the definition of "non-lethal" and its use of "saving lives everyday" in those court cases which will result in a battle of experts on both sides.

Meck77 · 03-10-2005, 08:38 AM

I'm not sure how much national attention this story got http://news4colorado.com/localnews/l...062182353.html but it was headline news in Denver/Aurora for weeks.

Apparently the Aurora police dept let a child abuser out on the streets and he continued to rape more victims. The chief of police stepped down as a result. Rest assured anytime anyone get's roughed up by a cop in the front range it will make headline news now.

Not all cops are bad but I rented a house to a Denver cop years ago. The son of a gun only made 1 payment then proceeded to trash my house. I was out of state at the time but the neighbors informed me about the number of visits from the police! I thought they might be his friends but they were there to investigate him! Ontop of all this his wife was stealing from the goodwill and bringing home TVs etc to my property. I also had reports from neighbors that they saw his wife hooking herself on Colfax. When I finally evicted them he left a starving police dog in my yard that tried to bite me and a garage full of stolen property.

I called the police dept to inform them that one of their own was not paying rent and stealing from the goodwill and it fell on deaf ears.

Had I called the news this story probably would have made some headlines also.

I won't hold it against the entire dept but my view of our police force is a little tainted.

yavoon · 03-10-2005, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyardWillie

like i said police officers are human as well. the simple fact that when they make mistakes it leads to public outcry proves that they are held to a higher standard. you say cops repeatedly abuse their power and lie. you must be basing that opinion on some insider information that only you know about because since the Rampart cops got busted I cant think of any instance where a cop was found to lie.

of course they are held to a higher standard, they are paid professionals...geez.

Rascal · 03-10-2005, 08:40 AM

You released a guy with a name like Brent Brents?

fontaine · 03-10-2005, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyardWillie

anybody who is critical of police officers need to walk a mile in their shoes before they complain. granted police officers are human and can make mistakes.

Oh please. Keep up with the discussion. No one is branding the entire police force. As a matter of fact more posters have made it a point to say the cops do a good job on most occasions or generally have their respect.

And please, none of this "walk a mile in their shoes" bullcrap. I understand it applies if you are judging someone you don't know, but the general population pays for cops wages and the police is there to serve them, and the general population has every right to examine their actions by a fine tooth comb.

Every case of supposed "police brutality" has to be investigated. Not because it makes for compelling news but so that it does not set a precedent for other weak minded people/cops to follow.

JunkyardWillie · 03-10-2005, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fontaine

Oh please. Keep up with the discussion. No one is branding the entire police force. As a matter of fact more posters have made it a point to say the cops do a good job on most occasions or generally have their respect.

And please, none of this "walk a mile in their shoes" bullcrap. I understand it applies if you are judging someone you don't know, but the general population pays for cops wages and the police is there to serve them, and the general population has every right to examine their actions by a fine tooth comb.

Every case of supposed "police brutality" has to be investigated. Not because it makes for compelling news but so that it does not set a precedent for other weak minded people/cops to follow.

the police are paid by taxpayer and the general population does have a right to examine their actions. as far as the "walk a mile in their shoes" comment i am just saying that in order to properly examine their actions people should understand what police officers go through and what the facts are befor they criticize. i would bet most people that are complaining about the police, or the use of tasers, have never had to be in a situation where they had to use force to try and subdue another person so when they complain about it they really dont know what they are talking about.

Rascal · 03-10-2005, 08:53 AM

What we are complaining about is not the use of taser's in a self defense situation, but rather in a situation where they use it on a 80 year old lady or on a guy in chucky cheese. Rather then talking to people anymore and resolving the situation cops seem a bit trigger happy with the taser. And taser's have been known to kill people.

JunkyardWillie · 03-10-2005, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rascal

What we are complaining about is not the use of taser's in a self defense situation, but rather in a situation where they use it on a 80 year old lady or on a guy in chucky cheese. Rather then talking to people anymore and resolving the situation cops seem a bit trigger happy with the taser. And taser's have been known to kill people.

would you rather the police let the person in Chucky Cheese continue to act disorderly and not do anything about it? Or once the decision was made to arrest the man would you rather they go hands-on with the person and risk injury to themselves as well as the suspect? Let's not forget that the guy didn't get tased for stealing salad he got tased for resisting arrest.

once again, tasers do not kill people nor have they been proven to kill people.

fontaine · 03-10-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyardWillie

the police are paid by taxpayer and the general population does have a right to examine their actions. as far as the "walk a mile in their shoes" comment i am just saying that in order to properly examine their actions people should understand what police officers go through and what the facts are befor they criticize. i would bet most people that are complaining about the police, or the use of tasers, have never had to be in a situation where they had to use force to try and subdue another person so when they complain about it they really dont know what they are talking about.

Yeah, but dude that's a weak argument. I can respect that you side with the cops on this one and that's fine. But to make a point about saying that we can't properly examine a cop's action unless "we walk a mile in their shoes" is nonsensical and irrelevant because I could make the exact same argument for the guy who was assaulted/tased and arrested.

Look:

"Junkyard, before you can say the cops were doing their job when they tased that guy at the salad bar why don't you walk a mile in his shoes? You don't know his circumstances. Maybe he didn't even steal the food or was going to pay for it after he got it etc."

TheNextStep · 03-10-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyardWillie

would you rather the police let the person in Chucky Cheese continue to act disorderly and not do anything about it? Or once the decision was made to arrest the man would you rather they go hands-on with the person and risk injury to themselves as well as the suspect? Let's not forget that the guy didn't get tased for stealing salad he got tased for resisting arrest.

once again, tasers do not kill people nor have they been proven to kill people.

According to that story, there's a witness who says that not only was the man NOT disorderly, but it was the police officers who were repeatedly poking him the chest, shoved him into a woman's lap, and then played Tazer Tag in front of the guy's children.

What's that old saying go like? Oh, damn... it's on the tip of my tongue. One of my favorites, too! Oh, yeah... "Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."

I'm not condemning the cops because I wasn't there and I obviously don't have all the facts of the case... but, damn... if that witness is credible, the police department is not going to come out of this one looking too well...

Rascal · 03-10-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyardWillie

would you rather the police let the person in Chucky Cheese continue to act disorderly and not do anything about it? Or once the decision was made to arrest the man would you rather they go hands-on with the person and risk injury to themselves as well as the suspect? Let's not forget that the guy didn't get tased for stealing salad he got tased for resisting arrest.

once again, tasers do not kill people nor have they been proven to kill people.

You are kidding yourself if you believe that last statement.

If a person was living before a taser was used on them then the taser killed that person. Whether they were under the influence or not doesn't matter, because if the taser wasn't used they would still be alive.

Did I say hands on? Sorry but in my home town cops would actually talk to you before they tasered your ass, but if you did become beligerant or start being physical yes you would be tasered. My point is that cops no longer talk to people, instead they just reach for their gun and pull the trigger and talk to them when they are behind bars.

Meck77 · 03-10-2005, 09:20 AM

I guess nobody read the link I posted about Aurora's Chief of Police Bennet resigning.

Here is a tid bit from the article...........

Bennett's decision comes in the wake of the Brent Brents case in which the accused serial rapist admitted to investigators he had molested an 8-year-old boy. Instead of being arrested, though, Brents was released.

An arrest warrant wasn't issued until two months later. During that time, investigators believe Brents sexually assaulted six people in Denver.

So which is worse. Tasering a guy over a salad or letting a guy go who admits to police he sexually assaulted a child and then walks out and sexually assaults 6 more people?

Heads are rolling in Aurora and NOBODY locally is talking about this Chucky Cheese deal.

alkemical · 03-10-2005, 09:23 AM

Meck

we got cops out here busted for child porn and rape just recently and some got busted for pilfering the coke stash in the evidence room -

i often wonder about who watches the watchers.

JunkyardWillie · 03-10-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fontaine

Yeah, but dude that's a weak argument. I can respect that you side with the cops on this one and that's fine. But to make a point about saying that we can't properly examine a cop's action unless "we walk a mile in their shoes" is nonsensical and irrelevant because I could make the exact same argument for the guy who was assaulted/tased and arrested.
"

im saying you cant examine a cops actions without understanding what they go through as well as the totality of the circumstances. people are saying cops are liars and crooked because some guy who was resisting arrest got tased.

TheNextStep · 03-10-2005, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JunkyardWillie

im saying you cant examine a cops actions without understanding what they go through as well as the totality of the circumstances. people are saying cops are liars and crooked because some guy who was resisting arrest got tased.

And, again, witnesses on the scene are saying that the man was in no way resisting arrest. In fact, the witness says that the police were the aggressors and that the man was the one speaking reasonably.

alkemical · 03-10-2005, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JunkyardWillie

im saying you cant examine a cops actions without understanding what they go through as well as the totality of the circumstances. people are saying cops are liars and crooked because some guy who was resisting arrest got tased.

and it's the cop who is saying he was resisting, when other witnesses state the cop provoked the situation.

bendog · 03-10-2005, 09:26 AM

I read the molestation/rape thing yesterday or day before. Sad, and the chief should've resigned. From the taser article, it's hard/impossible to tell what really happened. Some cops are belligerent a-holes, and it's very possible one of them pushed the guy in the chest bullying him, and instigated be belligerence from the guy that led to his getting tased. But it's also possible the guy was an a-hole who just wanted to steal lettuce, and wasn't gonna take crap about it, and pushed the cop first.

I'm with Slap though. Looks like the guy won the lottery.

TheDave · 03-10-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Meck77

So which is worse. Tasering a guy over a salad or letting a guy go who admits to police he sexually assaulted a child and then walks out and sexually assaults 6 more people?

As a society we need to find a way of being OK with shooting pedophiles on the spot. Being a relatively new parent of a 2 & 3 year old... well we just need to find a way of ridding society of this garbage.

Back to the Salad bar... They taser'd a guy in front of kids over a salad... call me crazy, but they might look into that.

Rascal · 03-10-2005, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meck77

I guess nobody read the link I posted about Aurora's Chief of Police Bennet resigning.

Here is a tid bit from the article...........

Bennett's decision comes in the wake of the Brent Brents case in which the accused serial rapist admitted to investigators he had molested an 8-year-old boy. Instead of being arrested, though, Brents was released.

An arrest warrant wasn't issued until two months later. During that time, investigators believe Brents sexually assaulted six people in Denver.

So which is worse. Tasering a guy over a salad or letting a guy go who admits to police he sexually assaulted a child and then walks out and sexually assaults 6 more people?

Heads are rolling in Aurora and NOBODY locally is talking about this Chucky Cheese deal.

I asked how could they let a guy named Brent Brents go.

JunkyardWillie · 03-10-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

and it's the cop who is saying he was resisting, when other witnesses state the cop provoked the situation.

and it's the police officers chain of command that investigated the use of force and found there was no wrong doing on the part of the officers. do you really think these supervisors would risk their careers to facilitate a lie?

Meck77 · 03-10-2005, 09:31 AM

I'm not sure how they could let a guy go who admitted to sexually assaulting a boy Rascal regardless of what the bastards name was. I hear you Dave. I would gladly haul the trash like Brent's out of Denver to some farmland in WY where Spider and I could target practice.

Good thing is Brent said he fulling expects to be killed in prison as is often the case with child molesters/rapists.

JunkyardWillie · 03-10-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bendog

I'm with Slap though. Looks like the guy won the lottery.

most cities nowadays are fighting lawsuits against police rather than paying them. i doubt this guy gets anything.

03-10-2005, 08:38 AM	#80
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,324	I'm not sure how much national attention this story got http://news4colorado.com/localnews/l...062182353.html but it was headline news in Denver/Aurora for weeks. Apparently the Aurora police dept let a child abuser out on the streets and he continued to rape more victims. The chief of police stepped down as a result. Rest assured anytime anyone get's roughed up by a cop in the front range it will make headline news now. Not all cops are bad but I rented a house to a Denver cop years ago. The son of a gun only made 1 payment then proceeded to trash my house. I was out of state at the time but the neighbors informed me about the number of visits from the police! I thought they might be his friends but they were there to investigate him! Ontop of all this his wife was stealing from the goodwill and bringing home TVs etc to my property. I also had reports from neighbors that they saw his wife hooking herself on Colfax. When I finally evicted them he left a starving police dog in my yard that tried to bite me and a garage full of stolen property. I called the police dept to inform them that one of their own was not paying rent and stealing from the goodwill and it fell on deaf ears. Had I called the news this story probably would have made some headlines also. I won't hold it against the entire dept but my view of our police force is a little tainted. Last edited by Meck77; 03-10-2005 at 08:48 AM..

03-10-2005, 09:31 AM	#99
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,324	I'm not sure how they could let a guy go who admitted to sexually assaulting a boy Rascal regardless of what the bastards name was. I hear you Dave. I would gladly haul the trash like Brent's out of Denver to some farmland in WY where Spider and I could target practice. Good thing is Brent said he fulling expects to be killed in prison as is often the case with child molesters/rapists. Last edited by Meck77; 03-10-2005 at 09:33 AM..

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03-10-2005, 08:28 AM	#76
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	he coulda put an eye out with that plastic fork. he's luck Cal wasn't on the scene, cause he'd have be needing a new knee after Cal batoned him as he was writhing fromt he taser (-: My fav cop story, that I can tell, was when the cops responded to a shooting at a convenience store that an aquaintace ran. Guys tried to hold him up, so he drew his 'nine' and started shooting. They got away. Cops came by "don't you know it's illegal to discharge a firearm in the city of jackson city limits." Guy responds, "don't you know its illegal to rob a convenience store in the city of jackson" police left.

03-10-2005, 08:37 AM	#79
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	ah...here is something: "meanwhile, much of Taser's public relations have been centered on questions about its guns' safety. Some 80 people have died after Taser shocks, mostly from heart or respiratory failure." Source: Tracking the Numbers/Street Sleuth: Stun-Gun Maker Taser's Shares Face More Shocks, 11 January 2005, The Wall Street Journal. While there may not be a decided court case yet (as most have either been settled or still in litigation), there are a lot cases where Taser's use has resulted in someone being killed. And since it is marketed as "non-lethal" and "saving lives every day" Taser might have a problem. It's own website says "Taser International provides advanced non-lethal devices for use in law enforcement, blah, blah blah. Taser devices are among the safest and most effective use-of-force choices available". The real question is going to be the definition of "non-lethal" and its use of "saving lives everyday" in those court cases which will result in a battle of experts on both sides.

03-10-2005, 08:40 AM	#82
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	You released a guy with a name like Brent Brents?

03-10-2005, 08:53 AM	#85
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,582 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	What we are complaining about is not the use of taser's in a self defense situation, but rather in a situation where they use it on a 80 year old lady or on a guy in chucky cheese. Rather then talking to people anymore and resolving the situation cops seem a bit trigger happy with the taser. And taser's have been known to kill people.

03-10-2005, 09:20 AM	#90
Meck77 Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 16,324	I guess nobody read the link I posted about Aurora's Chief of Police Bennet resigning. Here is a tid bit from the article........... Bennett's decision comes in the wake of the Brent Brents case in which the accused serial rapist admitted to investigators he had molested an 8-year-old boy. Instead of being arrested, though, Brents was released. An arrest warrant wasn't issued until two months later. During that time, investigators believe Brents sexually assaulted six people in Denver. So which is worse. Tasering a guy over a salad or letting a guy go who admits to police he sexually assaulted a child and then walks out and sexually assaults 6 more people? Heads are rolling in Aurora and NOBODY locally is talking about this Chucky Cheese deal.

03-10-2005, 09:23 AM	#91
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Meck we got cops out here busted for child porn and rape just recently and some got busted for pilfering the coke stash in the evidence room - i often wonder about who watches the watchers.

03-10-2005, 09:26 AM	#95
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I read the molestation/rape thing yesterday or day before. Sad, and the chief should've resigned. From the taser article, it's hard/impossible to tell what really happened. Some cops are belligerent a-holes, and it's very possible one of them pushed the guy in the chest bullying him, and instigated be belligerence from the guy that led to his getting tased. But it's also possible the guy was an a-hole who just wanted to steal lettuce, and wasn't gonna take crap about it, and pushed the cop first. I'm with Slap though. Looks like the guy won the lottery.