Shanahan's Run Done Here? - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

Bronx33 · 03-04-2005, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosko

It was a glint, not a gleam.

Its was niether it was a sparkle i know a sparkle when i see one and that was a sparkle.

gunns · 03-04-2005, 08:58 PM

I've been a Bronco fan for 35 years, through some of the worst times. Each season was an adventure to see how far we could get, if we made the playoffs I was in 7th heaven. But then the team wins the SB and you realize that is the goal of each season. The playoffs are just a means to get there and if you don't, the playoffs meant nothing. Being happy being in the playoffs is for teams like the Cardinals, Bengals and yes even the Chiefs. I hope to hell I never lower my standards again and think making the playoffs.....and losing was just great. Shanahan hasn't won a SB in 6 years and hasn't even won a playoff game in the same amount of time.

I don't think anyone minds the signing of Gold, it's about the money, too much money.

longtimer · 03-04-2005, 09:06 PM

I personally am tired of hearing all the chicken littles screaming at the top of there keyboards to imform us the end is hear and denver will never win a game again. If all you nay sayers are so smart why haven't any NFL teams given you a job to run all of their personal and make all of the decsion regaurding who to sign and what is the right compinsation for players traded. If any of you have such a job then I will listen to what you expert opion is other wise you do not l=know anything more than any one else and it is silly to call for Mikes job when almost any other team would hire him in an instant. GET OFF YOUR LEDGE and come back in to the loyal Bronco fandom and let the ones that really know do they job to put a competive team opn the field.

DBroncos4life · 03-04-2005, 09:06 PM

The main problem I see so far is that everything the Broncos FO tells the media or the media tells us, is like listening to a politic talk. It flip flops around and now we have no clue of whats right or wrong. Now for Gold. He wasn't a need. Hes taking a Pro Bowl level LB and moving him out of his spot. As pointed out this is the samething that hurt Mobley's career. Not a good move. Then there is his contract which may or may not be high for this year, but the fact remains it will get high. So down the road he will become DEAD MONEY. He wasn't a need this year and now in 2 or 3 years he could be cut and that could stop us from resigning some player all because they want more speed at LB. They could have drafted Kevin Burnett and moved him around. Hell hes bigger and just as fast plus he was the leader of that teams D.

Arkie · 03-04-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Its was niether it was a sparkle i know a sparkle when i see one and that was a sparkle.

OK., if you're so sure.

Do you think, perhaps, it could have been a twinkle?

Spider · 03-04-2005, 09:20 PM

I look at it this way ......
2 seasons ago we went 10-6 with Pryce , got creamed by the Colts ......
Last season we went 10-6 without Pryce , got Creamed by the Colts ....
We have a serious Problem and it is the Dline ...... it appears Pryce isnt the answer ...
Can Gold blitzing be the difference ?
We are going to have to Blitz , anything to get consistent pressure on the QB ...........

Odysseus · 03-04-2005, 09:20 PM

The Broncos need to catch a few lucky breaks.

Right now I think they are reacting rather than dictating which is never good. You can't win "off season" playing zone defense which is what I think they are determined to do.

They have to do the Pryce deal but why Gold? They have to let some of these FA take a look around but how did we get so far off course? Slowik? What question did he answer? Brewster? O.K. but does he know of somebody better than Putz?

More questions than answers right now. The hard part is waiting.

I think the mounting anger from fans is they are repeating mistakes rather than fixing them. That points to a centrist thinking at the top. They might THINK they are thinking outside the box but apparently they don't realize to fans it looks increasingly like a milk carton and the management is on it.

They can't keep "reacting" during off season and have a solid off season.

Take a look up. Is that the sky? Is that thing really falling?

DBroncos4life · 03-04-2005, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quiettiger

The Broncos need to catch a few lucky breaks. Right now I think they are reacting rather than dictating which is never good. You can't win by playing "zone off season" which what I think they are forced to due with cap constraints and past due sins.

I think the mounting anger from fans is they are repeating mistakes rather than fixing them. That points to a centrist thinking at the top.

If they go into the draft being defensive the meltdown everyone is afraid of is inevitable. They can't be good every off season but if they try a little harder they certainly can avoid being bad.

Take a look up. Is that the sky? Is that thing really falling?

Rep, its like you are in my mind man.

Sir Mawn · 03-04-2005, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gunns

Shanahan hasn't won a SB in 6 years

Here we go again...

These are the coaches that have won a Super Bowl the last six years (I can't believe I'm writing this!)
Vermeil, Billick, Belichick, Gruden.

Vermeil's a good motivator who sorrounds himself with a brilliant offensive staff. Currently he leads a team who has completely disregarded their defense in favor of their offense even though it's a well known fact (cliche?) that at least A LITTLE DEFENSE gets you the trophies. You'd want this guy instead of Shanahan? Didn't think so.

Billick is an arrogant bastard who claims to be an offensive genius but somehow manages to field one of the worst offenses in the league year in and year out. He's a motivator, but he's also a coach carried by his defense. Pass.

Belichick's the man of the hour. The coach Shanahan was during a Superbowl runs. Inventive, innovative and the guy who (currently) has the recipe for success in the NFL. A great coach who's out of our reach any way. He's a helluva coach but his time will pass and come again, just like Shanny's will come again.

Gruden was supposed to be the best coach in the NFL. A keen offensive mind and the most intense coach in the league. They won a Superbowl and where are they now? Amid a QB controversy,a defense that has been torn by free agency, no running game, etc etc. It's not fun to be a Buc these days. Pass

By this I don't mean to say these men aren't great coaches. They won the Super Bowl for the love of god! You must realized there are 32 teams in the NFL and winning consistently and being in the hunt is what you pray for. Sooner or later your time will come.

Here are a few questions to ponder:

How many position coaches get coordinator jobs? Out of those, how many actually make a mark in history having guided a particular unit or player to incredible heights? Out of those, how many get promoted and become head coaches? Out of those how many reach the playoffs year in and year out? How many coaches have won a Super Bowl in the last decade? HOW MANY COACHES IN HISTORY HAVE WON BACK TO BACK SUPERBOWLS??

If this had come in the 80's or early 90's and now, we would be fielding a 6-10 team year in and year out, I'd be all for firing our coach. But instead, Shanahan has brought consistency to a franchise and constantly KEEPS US IN THE HUNT. The difference between the Wild Card and the Super Bowl Champion is VERY slim. We're very close every year and our captain has taken us to the promised land before. What else could you ask for

sirhcyennek81 · 03-04-2005, 10:21 PM

Shanahan leaves when he doesnt want to coach here, anymore. 2 superbowl titles, 6 playoff appearances, ONE losing season in 10 years. yeah. he's horrible. get rid of him.

Circle Orange · 03-04-2005, 10:35 PM

They need another game besides the damn Colts.

That being said, Shanahan must go. But what about the rumor that #7 is waiting in the wings to coach the team? This could all be publicity on Bowlen's part...pretend to back Shanny with an ultimate plan in mind.

GoHAM · 03-04-2005, 10:59 PM

Shannahan: TWO Super Bowl Titles, an offense that consistently ranks in the top 10 if not the top 5, and one losing season in 10, a system that can turn dogmeat into a 1000 yard rusher in only 12 games, and fielding a team with holes in it to consistently contend for a division title and a playoff berth. Yeah he's **** let's fire him and hire #7, THE GREATEST PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY, yet someone who has never coached a game at the NFL level ever, oh yeah, I'm wrong he coached the Broncos in the "legend" game. Until Shannahan guides us to three consecutive losing seasons, Shannahan is the MAN, and should remain on the sidelines guiding us to the promised land. Yes he makes some questionable moves in personnel especially on the defense but give the man the benefit of the doubt and actually see what the "plan" is before bringing the fire and brimstone down on him.

Vegas_Bronco · 03-04-2005, 11:19 PM

Hey I know, lets hire LSU coach and fire Shannahan! Damn this site has some horrid posts during the offseason. How are cheerleader cuts/FA coming? Did we retain KEELA

?

wabbit · 03-04-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas_Bronco

...Damn this site has some horrid posts during the offseason....

Hey, ya think.

Four days into FA & half the fan base here has lost all faith

Makes you wonder how these same folks would react in a real crisis...like, you know...

Dad drops cable and won't cough it up for those new Nike's...now THAT's catastrophe, let me tell ya

Circle Orange · 03-04-2005, 11:44 PM

I dunno...I guess you get to the point where you just throw your hands up and say it ain't working...

This leaves us with the "P" word.

Atlas · 03-05-2005, 01:20 AM

This is amazing to see people fold their tents. I'm writing down names. I expect people to be eating crow if Shanny signs a big name free agent or if Denver improves on their 10-6 record.

You know Denver was 10-6 that means they don't need wholesale changes or they don't need big free agent signings. All they have to do is be better than they were last year.

Believe it or not Gold makes them better than they were last year. IMO Gold is a better addition than Hayward was a loss. Everyone is criticizing Denver is free agency but it's not done. Go ahead and jump ship and yell and rant... than feel foolish later when Denver signs someone or when Denver finishes next season 11-5 or 12-4. Shanny has a plan just because he hasn't told the Mane about it doesn't mean it's not a good one.

Denver can't do anything cap wise until Pryce is released or traded. I would rather Denver hold onto Pryce and get the most they can for him than just cut him so they can sign a couple of over priced free agents.

Kaylore · 03-05-2005, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

This is amazing to see people fold their tents. I'm writing down names. I expect people to be eating crow if Shanny signs a big name free agent or if Denver improves on their 10-6 record.

You know Denver was 10-6 that means they don't need wholesale changes or they don't need big free agent signings. All they have to do is be better than they were last year.

Believe it or not Gold makes them better than they were last year. IMO Gold is a better addition than Hayward was a loss. Everyone is criticizing Denver is free agency but it's not done. Go ahead and jump ship and yell and rant... than feel foolish later when Denver signs someone or when Denver finishes next season 11-5 or 12-4. Shanny has a plan just because he hasn't told the Mane about it doesn't mean it's not a good one.

Denver can't do anything cap wise until Pryce is released or traded. I would rather Denver hold onto Pryce and get the most they can for him than just cut him so they can sign a couple of over priced free agents.

Excellent! If we feed them their crow, please remind the mane how many days into FA we were when they decided that we were going to suck and were calling for Shanahan's head. It's amazing to me that people are so pissed aobut everything only a few days in and without the draft which might bring all these things full circle.

Reggie is a product of the market. We know where he's at better than anyone. Ian Gold is a solid player, great on ST and gets interceptions. A few weeks ago everyone was pissing a moaning about our low ints and poor special teams, and we buff it up and everyone is still pissed off.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-05-2005, 02:27 AM

Its day 4 of free agency. World is ending. everyone is getting better, we arent getting high paid whinos, waaaaaa. By May, all of this will be sorted out. Patience.

Spider · 03-05-2005, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GoWYO

Shannahan: TWO Super Bowl Titles, an offense that consistently ranks in the top 10 if not the top 5, and one losing season in 10, a system that can turn dogmeat into a 1000 yard rusher in only 12 games, and fielding a team with holes in it to consistently contend for a division title and a playoff berth. Yeah he's **** let's fire him and hire #7, THE GREATEST PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY, yet someone who has never coached a game at the NFL level ever, oh yeah, I'm wrong he coached the Broncos in the "legend" game. Until Shannahan guides us to three consecutive losing seasons, Shannahan is the MAN, and should remain on the sidelines guiding us to the promised land. Yes he makes some questionable moves in personnel especially on the defense but give the man the benefit of the doubt and actually see what the "plan" is before bringing the fire and brimstone down on him.

Hi ........ Nice to see someone from Lander layin down some post .......

Spider · 03-05-2005, 06:41 AM

One thing is for sure , we do love Broncos Football in Wyoming .......

TheDave · 03-05-2005, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Excellent! If we feed them their crow, please remind the mane how many days into FA we were when they decided that we were going to suck and were calling for Shanahan's head.

Days... the sky is falling $hit started within the first 12 hours

DB-Freak · 03-05-2005, 07:22 AM

I'll hold my judgment on this years offseason until midway through the 2005 season although i cant be too optimistic.
Hard to believe we expected much from this FA although the Gold signing really blindsided for a while.

Life goes on........

baja · 03-05-2005, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBF1

Elsid... You dont think we overpaid for Gold? Only a fool would think we didnt

Truth is until you see the terms of his contract you have no idea what we paid for him. Paper said Gold's conract was heavly back loaded.

DrFate · 03-05-2005, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

TJ

3 days into Free Agency is hard to make a determination on where we stand. I bet every other team message board is screaming that thier team not doing enough.

I doubt the Raider fans are unhappy.

It isn't complicated folks - the Raiders are better than they were 3 days ago. The Chefs are better. The Bolts have 2 1st round choices. And we overpaid Ian Gold and traded for a career underachiever.

gunns · 03-05-2005, 07:59 AM

I don't think anyone's folded up their tents, sure there's always hope. But I for one am not going to behave like a Bengal fan and jump up and down for what my team has done in the past, actually 6 years ago. I'm also not going to act like everything is peachy keen because we've made it to the playoffs, albeit, not won. Yeah maybe we should wait and see what happens, we've been doing that for the past 6 years. Glad you are all happy with the product we've been putting on the field for the past few years. I 'm sorry, I can't be. And I would love to eat crow, I'd eat a banquet of it if I'm wrong. I want this team to succeed.

03-04-2005, 09:20 PM	#32
Odysseus Fan of the home team Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 12,107 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mark Schlereth	Let it marinade... The Broncos need to catch a few lucky breaks. Right now I think they are reacting rather than dictating which is never good. You can't win "off season" playing zone defense which is what I think they are determined to do. They have to do the Pryce deal but why Gold? They have to let some of these FA take a look around but how did we get so far off course? Slowik? What question did he answer? Brewster? O.K. but does he know of somebody better than Putz? More questions than answers right now. The hard part is waiting. I think the mounting anger from fans is they are repeating mistakes rather than fixing them. That points to a centrist thinking at the top. They might THINK they are thinking outside the box but apparently they don't realize to fans it looks increasingly like a milk carton and the management is on it. They can't keep "reacting" during off season and have a solid off season. Take a look up. Is that the sky? Is that thing really falling? Last edited by Odysseus; 03-04-2005 at 09:42 PM..

03-04-2005, 11:19 PM	#38
Vegas_Bronco Ring of Famer Fear is a lack of preparation. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 63 Yards Out Posts: 4,024 Adopt-a-Bronco: 1 Elam 1	Hey I know, lets hire LSU coach and fire Shannahan! Damn this site has some horrid posts during the offseason. How are cheerleader cuts/FA coming? Did we retain KEELA?

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03-04-2005, 08:58 PM	#27
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,649 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	I've been a Bronco fan for 35 years, through some of the worst times. Each season was an adventure to see how far we could get, if we made the playoffs I was in 7th heaven. But then the team wins the SB and you realize that is the goal of each season. The playoffs are just a means to get there and if you don't, the playoffs meant nothing. Being happy being in the playoffs is for teams like the Cardinals, Bengals and yes even the Chiefs. I hope to hell I never lower my standards again and think making the playoffs.....and losing was just great. Shanahan hasn't won a SB in 6 years and hasn't even won a playoff game in the same amount of time. I don't think anyone minds the signing of Gold, it's about the money, too much money.

03-04-2005, 09:06 PM	#28
longtimer Pro Bowler Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 646	I personally am tired of hearing all the chicken littles screaming at the top of there keyboards to imform us the end is hear and denver will never win a game again. If all you nay sayers are so smart why haven't any NFL teams given you a job to run all of their personal and make all of the decsion regaurding who to sign and what is the right compinsation for players traded. If any of you have such a job then I will listen to what you expert opion is other wise you do not l=know anything more than any one else and it is silly to call for Mikes job when almost any other team would hire him in an instant. GET OFF YOUR LEDGE and come back in to the loyal Bronco fandom and let the ones that really know do they job to put a competive team opn the field.

03-04-2005, 09:06 PM	#29
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,524	The main problem I see so far is that everything the Broncos FO tells the media or the media tells us, is like listening to a politic talk. It flip flops around and now we have no clue of whats right or wrong. Now for Gold. He wasn't a need. Hes taking a Pro Bowl level LB and moving him out of his spot. As pointed out this is the samething that hurt Mobley's career. Not a good move. Then there is his contract which may or may not be high for this year, but the fact remains it will get high. So down the road he will become DEAD MONEY. He wasn't a need this year and now in 2 or 3 years he could be cut and that could stop us from resigning some player all because they want more speed at LB. They could have drafted Kevin Burnett and moved him around. Hell hes bigger and just as fast plus he was the leader of that teams D.

03-04-2005, 09:20 PM	#31
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I look at it this way ...... 2 seasons ago we went 10-6 with Pryce , got creamed by the Colts ...... Last season we went 10-6 without Pryce , got Creamed by the Colts .... We have a serious Problem and it is the Dline ...... it appears Pryce isnt the answer ... Can Gold blitzing be the difference ? We are going to have to Blitz , anything to get consistent pressure on the QB ...........

03-04-2005, 10:21 PM	#35
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Shanahan leaves when he doesnt want to coach here, anymore. 2 superbowl titles, 6 playoff appearances, ONE losing season in 10 years. yeah. he's horrible. get rid of him.

03-04-2005, 10:35 PM	#36
Circle Orange SPOT ON. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Styxx, D.C. Posts: 3,956	They need another game besides the damn Colts. That being said, Shanahan must go. But what about the rumor that #7 is waiting in the wings to coach the team? This could all be publicity on Bowlen's part...pretend to back Shanny with an ultimate plan in mind.

03-04-2005, 10:59 PM	#37
GoHAM Ring of Famer The Defense is Back! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: County 5 Posts: 1,177 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mitch Unrein	Shannahan: TWO Super Bowl Titles, an offense that consistently ranks in the top 10 if not the top 5, and one losing season in 10, a system that can turn dogmeat into a 1000 yard rusher in only 12 games, and fielding a team with holes in it to consistently contend for a division title and a playoff berth. Yeah he's **** let's fire him and hire #7, THE GREATEST PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY, yet someone who has never coached a game at the NFL level ever, oh yeah, I'm wrong he coached the Broncos in the "legend" game. Until Shannahan guides us to three consecutive losing seasons, Shannahan is the MAN, and should remain on the sidelines guiding us to the promised land. Yes he makes some questionable moves in personnel especially on the defense but give the man the benefit of the doubt and actually see what the "plan" is before bringing the fire and brimstone down on him.

03-04-2005, 11:44 PM	#40
Circle Orange SPOT ON. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Styxx, D.C. Posts: 3,956	I dunno...I guess you get to the point where you just throw your hands up and say it ain't working... This leaves us with the "P" word.

03-05-2005, 01:20 AM	#41
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	This is amazing to see people fold their tents. I'm writing down names. I expect people to be eating crow if Shanny signs a big name free agent or if Denver improves on their 10-6 record. You know Denver was 10-6 that means they don't need wholesale changes or they don't need big free agent signings. All they have to do is be better than they were last year. Believe it or not Gold makes them better than they were last year. IMO Gold is a better addition than Hayward was a loss. Everyone is criticizing Denver is free agency but it's not done. Go ahead and jump ship and yell and rant... than feel foolish later when Denver signs someone or when Denver finishes next season 11-5 or 12-4. Shanny has a plan just because he hasn't told the Mane about it doesn't mean it's not a good one. Denver can't do anything cap wise until Pryce is released or traded. I would rather Denver hold onto Pryce and get the most they can for him than just cut him so they can sign a couple of over priced free agents.

03-05-2005, 02:27 AM	#43
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Its day 4 of free agency. World is ending. everyone is getting better, we arent getting high paid whinos, waaaaaa. By May, all of this will be sorted out. Patience.

03-05-2005, 06:41 AM	#45
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	One thing is for sure , we do love Broncos Football in Wyoming .......

03-05-2005, 07:22 AM	#47
DB-Freak The lone sack artist Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,995	I'll hold my judgment on this years offseason until midway through the 2005 season although i cant be too optimistic. Hard to believe we expected much from this FA although the Gold signing really blindsided for a while. Life goes on........

03-05-2005, 07:59 AM	#50
gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,649 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	I don't think anyone's folded up their tents, sure there's always hope. But I for one am not going to behave like a Bengal fan and jump up and down for what my team has done in the past, actually 6 years ago. I'm also not going to act like everything is peachy keen because we've made it to the playoffs, albeit, not won. Yeah maybe we should wait and see what happens, we've been doing that for the past 6 years. Glad you are all happy with the product we've been putting on the field for the past few years. I 'm sorry, I can't be. And I would love to eat crow, I'd eat a banquet of it if I'm wrong. I want this team to succeed.