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SoCalBronco · 03-03-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

SoCal

I understand your concern, but Shanny has never been afraid to put the best players on the field at the position that he thinks that will excel. So if DJ struggles at Strong Side LB (if he plays there) then Shanny will move him back to the weak side. And He won't care about either Coyer orGolds'f eelings

Great so if we switch him back to the weakside after a year, we just wasted a year of his career and all shanny is going to say is im sorry or, we liked the old system better after watching the lineup this year so we will revert back to the old system. Thats hot air. Its just words and a switch later. We wasted a year. Thats supposed to compensate us for the wasted year, some stupid words. Sorry that doesnt cut it. You just wasted a year and fixing it is supposed to make it better? Unbelievable. Hot air doesnt do anything for me. Look DJ is athletic and he probably will be a good SLB if the team is dumb enough to make that move. Just because he does well doesnt mean all is well. It is still a wasted year because he could have been doing even better at WLB. I like how some people seem to suggest well if he has a good year than you will be shown up. Umm...NO, it will make me EVEN ANGRIER because that means he could have been totally out of this world if he wasnt taken out of his comfort area. Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid. I am going to explode if i read something official from the coaches the next few days saying Gold is going to be a Will. I will just go off.

bendog · 03-03-2005, 05:08 PM

Dave, it's the bonus. And, the fact that I don't see how he's the best lb in the class. And, ferguson actually signed for LESS. And our linebackers werent' the unit that kept us from going bowling last year. And, back when gold was making all those plays, he had Washington and berry in front of him, both of whom were stouter than Heyward, who was stouter than Okeafer ... even if we sign him.

At best, it's taking the best defensive impact player, next to champ, and moving him. We played Lynch out of position last year. It's a trend. It's not finding tweeners to fit a system, it's plugging in square pegs in round holes.

Gold's a nice fit for a nickle or a 3-4 on passing downs. But, if he's the centerpiece of free agency, we're sol. The pass coverage was solid last year, until middlebrooks went down. We didn't add pass coverage, and we actually lost a corner in a year where db is the deepest position in FA. Riddle me how that makes sense. It doesnt. If you think itw somehow wrong to be pissed, kiss my ass.

But, having eaten and drank a glass of wine, I realize I don't understand how a two tier bonus is calculated for cap. I think it basically backloads it, and that thought makes me unhappy too.

Traveler · 03-03-2005, 05:12 PM

Nothing is out there yet to confirm they did give Gold the $8-10 million bonus. So I guess I'll chill out till we actully see the numbers.

maven · 03-03-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by papi728

Nothing is out there yet to confirm they did give Gold the $8-10 million bonus. So I guess I'll chill out till we actully see the numbers.

Just the thought of Gold getting a dollar from denver pisses me off!

doof · 03-03-2005, 05:19 PM

Golden Moment
Broncos Reunite With Ian Gold After One Year Apart
By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- It didn't take Ian Gold long to return to the Broncos.

One year after departing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers via unrestricted free agency, Gold came back to the Broncos Thursday, officially signing a contract just two days after the Buccaneers released him in order to free up space under their salary cap.

A year ago, Gold hit the market following his second season as the Broncos' starting weakside linebacker. But he did so having just completed recovery and rehabilitation from the torn anterior cruciate ligament he incurred during an October 2003 game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, in the final game of what turned out to be his first Broncos tenure.

Gold started 22 games in his last two seasons with the Broncos after first earning acclaim as a special-teamer. He played in the Pro Bowl of February 2002 as the AFC's special-team selection for its All-Star Squad after notching 18 special-teams tackles and recovering two fumbles during the 2001 campaign.

In the two years that followed, Gold amassed 169 tackles and assisted on 41 more, giving him an average of 9.5 total tackles per game. All the while, he continued playing on special teams; in fact, he suffered the painful torn ACL while covering a punt.

When Gold returned to the field in pewter and red last year, he did so at a different spot, playing strongside linebacker in the Bucs' 4-3 scheme. He amassed 120 total tackles -- 70 unassisted with 20 assists -- and intercepted one pass while breaking up two more passes.

Gold was also active away from the field in Denver, earning the team's nomination for the 2003 Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year award. Gold was particularly involved working with children at the Denver Broncos Boys & Girls Club, which opened in 2003.

When the University of Michigan product was on the market last year, he had a dialogue with the Broncos as late as the first day of last year's draft. That did not pan out into a contract and he signed with the Buccaneers a few days later.

But when Gold and the Bucs faced the Broncos five and a half months later, he carried no ill will.

"I really don’t hold any grudges or anything like that," Gold told Buccaneers.com in October.

And now, he's back in the familiar orange and blue.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...4&storyID=3953

DB-Freak · 03-03-2005, 05:22 PM

When Gold and Mobley got injured, I didnt see a drop off in the LB play at all and to a degree I thought they were much more consistent and solid with Donnie and Ian instead of the overrated speed backers.

Damn I would rather have Sykes at SLB then Gold.

SoCalBronco · 03-03-2005, 05:23 PM

that article doesnt say much about salary or position although it sort of hints at position. I will wait till i here something more definitive about the position and salary. If its SS or something and a 4 million bonus i will come to peace with the development.

Traveler · 03-03-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

that article doesnt say much about salary or position although it sort of hints at position. I will wait till i here something more definitive about the position and salary. If its SS or something and a 4 million bonus i will come to peace with the development.

What you said...

bendog · 03-03-2005, 05:24 PM

. I'll wait to see on the bonus, but stuff here's been pretty reliable. Still, its' just curious. They say "3-4" which I suspected was bogus, but there are guys out there cheaper than 10mil who can fit in that scheme at DE - douglas of the ravens I'd think. If Gold came cheap, no issue. But he isn't in the top 5 of linebackers in a weak FA class.

SoCalBronco · 03-03-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarettNextTD

When Gold and Mobley got injured, I didnt see a drop off in the LB play at all and to a degree I thought they were much more consistent and solid with Donnie and Ian instead of the overrated speed backers.

Damn I would rather have Sykes at SLB then Gold.

Sykes is being paid peanuts or in the alternative we could have put Pierce in the middle and Al on the outside. Nah...that makes too much sense.

Broncos4Life · 03-03-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarettNextTD

When Gold and Mobley got injured, I didnt see a drop off in the LB play at all and to a degree I thought they were much more consistent and solid with Donnie and Ian instead of the overrated speed backers.

Damn I would rather have Sykes at SLB then Gold.

I can agree that Donnie and Sykes were consistent and pretty solid after Gold and Mobs got injured. However, Those guys didn't make any big plays the rest of the year that I can remember. If gold had played the rest of that year he would of overprsued some plays, but he would of made a few sacks and probly some more INTs.
He would have made the D more exciting to watch.
I think hes more of a playmaker than Donnie and Sykes.
A lot of overreacting going on here. Just looked outside and the sky is falling. ****!

The only thing that can piss me off is if Gold gets a big payday. From what I read he is negotiating this deal himself so Shanny does'nt have to deal with the piss ons.
I'm pretty curious to see what kind of posts there would be if there was a headline, "Gold To Move To Free Safety". This place would ****ing fall apart.
I've never seen such an outrage over one player since SOB.

Fusionfrontman · 03-03-2005, 05:56 PM

yeah you guys are overreacting bigtime..chill out
lets wait to see what they use him for and what they do with DJ and what not...DJ will be fine Strongside IMO if they use him for it.
Im not jumping up and down with any of the signings we've done so far

bendog · 03-03-2005, 06:22 PM

I don't understand the "happy valley" attitude. As for the cap, we know Heyward got 12? mil, or was it 10? He was the best speed rusher not franchished. (does that say anything bout shanny?) Okeafer and then Fisher are the next two, according to the sites I've seen.

Den was 3.9 under before we paid Fat Ass 1.4 and resigned Hamilton and picked up Hunt, and gold. We still have to resign Neil. That's gonna put us in negative territory. What we'll have is what Trevor frees up, less what we're over. 4 mil?

So, calculate what Hayward's cap hit is to dullass, and figure Okeafer or Fisher will be at best a mil under that.

It's ok, but Pryce and Okeafer OR some journeyman like Wiley and Okeafer and Fat Ass and Spragan would have given us a better shot at bowling.

****, I missed my afternoon workout over this, and I got to work tomorrow. I'm off to shower and go to bed. fick it.

Swedish Extrovert · 03-03-2005, 06:38 PM

I have no problem with bringing gold back.... if it wouldnt restrict other signings. I'm pissed we let Heyward go.... Pryce and Kennedy probabally wont be back either. To me, thats more pressing than Gold.

Maybe they want him to play safety.

-Slap- · 03-03-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

that article doesnt say much about salary or position although it sort of hints at position. I will wait till i here something more definitive about the position and salary. If its SS or something and a 4 million bonus i will come to peace with the development.

You will?

The only thing that would be more laughable than the suggestions around here that Gold could play safety would be if the Broncos actually attempted to convert him at this late date. You don't move further away from the football as you get older, it works the opposite way.

SoCalBronco · 03-03-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

You will?

The only thing that would be more laughable than the suggestions around here that Gold could play safety would be if the Broncos actually attempted to convert him at this late date. You don't move further away from the football as you get older, it works the opposite way.

Slappy, i really do not want him at WLB. He is too small for SLB and would get owned. What is left for him to play? All i can think of is safety. Alas, now that we know it is more like double the 4 million bonus figure i was thinking of, it means he is going to be a weakside LB and basically a POS. Again. I am extremely depressed and angry tonight. Your prolly right, cant really convert a guy this late and it would take a whole lot more than a year to do it. We ****ed ourselves anyway though anyway you slice it.

bendog · 03-03-2005, 06:59 PM

yeah. And thinking of Gold lining up over that TE from SD ..... ahhhhhhhh. Pancake

Garcia Bronco · 03-03-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bendog

yeah. And thinking of Gold lining up over that TE from SD ..... ahhhhhhhh. Pancake

Gates had one catch for 17 yards against Tampa Bay last season

-Slap- · 03-03-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Slappy, i really do not want him at WLB. He is too small for SLB and would get owned. What is left for him to play? All i can think of is safety. Alas, now that we know it is more like double the 4 million bonus figure i was thinking of, it means he is going to be a weakside LB and basically a POS. Again. I am extremely depressed and angry tonight. Your prolly right, cant really convert a guy this late and it would take a whole lot more than a year to do it. We ****ed ourselves anyway though anyway you slice it.

Depressed and angry sums up the way I feel, too. I was so glad when we cut bait on that skinny bust and now he's back and more high maintenance than ever. I guess it spares me from wasting my time about even getting optimistic for next season.

DB-Freak · 03-03-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Gates had one catch for 17 yards against Tampa Bay last season

Are you positive that it was Gold covering Gates?

bendog · 03-03-2005, 07:22 PM

wait, garcia, I thought you were ok with moving ....

ah what the hell, TB held LT to only 135 yds a 5.2 avg and a touch ... awesome.

bendog · 03-03-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarettNextTD

Are you positive that it was Gold covering Gates?

Wouldn't matter. Breezeonly threw23 times and SD ran it down thier throats

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Taco John · 03-03-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

First I don't see why DJ couldn't play Strong side. He's just the right type to take care of a tight end.

No one is saying that DJ can't play the strong side. What we are saying is that it's a waste of his talent. He's got the best weak side pursuit I've seen on this team in years.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-03-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

that article doesnt say much about salary or position although it sort of hints at position. I will wait till i here something more definitive about the position and salary. If its SS or something and a 4 million bonus i will come to peace with the development.

I believe you will come to peace with the development soon, Socal. No way they are going to put DJ in a spot where he is less effective and there is no way the are giving Gold the kind of money that has been thrown out here. There may be a bunch of funny money involved, but no way he got more than they are offering Kennedy.

SoCalBronco · 03-03-2005, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

I believe you will come to peace with the development soon, Socal. No way they are going to put DJ in a spot where he is less effective and there is no way the are giving Gold the kind of money that has been thrown out here. There may be a bunch of funny money involved, but no way he got more than they are offering Kennedy.

See how pathetic its become? In the beginning i was hoping for all these great players on the DLine and OLine and now i am just hoping and waiting for one coach is some article, just one coach to definitively say that DJ will NOT be moved from the weakside, no if's, and's or but's. Its come down to that. As to Gold's contract, i heard a 2 tier 10 million bonus not 8.5, so prolly 5 up front no questions asked. This is one of the darker days in our history.

03-03-2005, 05:19 PM	#155
doof Solid Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 214	Looks like it's official Golden Moment Broncos Reunite With Ian Gold After One Year Apart By Andrew Mason DenverBroncos.com ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- It didn't take Ian Gold long to return to the Broncos. One year after departing for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers via unrestricted free agency, Gold came back to the Broncos Thursday, officially signing a contract just two days after the Buccaneers released him in order to free up space under their salary cap. A year ago, Gold hit the market following his second season as the Broncos' starting weakside linebacker. But he did so having just completed recovery and rehabilitation from the torn anterior cruciate ligament he incurred during an October 2003 game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, in the final game of what turned out to be his first Broncos tenure. Gold started 22 games in his last two seasons with the Broncos after first earning acclaim as a special-teamer. He played in the Pro Bowl of February 2002 as the AFC's special-team selection for its All-Star Squad after notching 18 special-teams tackles and recovering two fumbles during the 2001 campaign. In the two years that followed, Gold amassed 169 tackles and assisted on 41 more, giving him an average of 9.5 total tackles per game. All the while, he continued playing on special teams; in fact, he suffered the painful torn ACL while covering a punt. When Gold returned to the field in pewter and red last year, he did so at a different spot, playing strongside linebacker in the Bucs' 4-3 scheme. He amassed 120 total tackles -- 70 unassisted with 20 assists -- and intercepted one pass while breaking up two more passes. Gold was also active away from the field in Denver, earning the team's nomination for the 2003 Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year award. Gold was particularly involved working with children at the Denver Broncos Boys & Girls Club, which opened in 2003. When the University of Michigan product was on the market last year, he had a dialogue with the Broncos as late as the first day of last year's draft. That did not pan out into a contract and he signed with the Buccaneers a few days later. But when Gold and the Bucs faced the Broncos five and a half months later, he carried no ill will. "I really don’t hold any grudges or anything like that," Gold told Buccaneers.com in October. And now, he's back in the familiar orange and blue. http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...4&storyID=3953

03-03-2005, 05:23 PM	#157
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,313 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	that article doesnt say much about salary or position although it sort of hints at position. I will wait till i here something more definitive about the position and salary. If its SS or something and a 4 million bonus i will come to peace with the development. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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03-03-2005, 05:08 PM	#152
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	Dave, it's the bonus. And, the fact that I don't see how he's the best lb in the class. And, ferguson actually signed for LESS. And our linebackers werent' the unit that kept us from going bowling last year. And, back when gold was making all those plays, he had Washington and berry in front of him, both of whom were stouter than Heyward, who was stouter than Okeafer ... even if we sign him. At best, it's taking the best defensive impact player, next to champ, and moving him. We played Lynch out of position last year. It's a trend. It's not finding tweeners to fit a system, it's plugging in square pegs in round holes. Gold's a nice fit for a nickle or a 3-4 on passing downs. But, if he's the centerpiece of free agency, we're sol. The pass coverage was solid last year, until middlebrooks went down. We didn't add pass coverage, and we actually lost a corner in a year where db is the deepest position in FA. Riddle me how that makes sense. It doesnt. If you think itw somehow wrong to be pissed, kiss my ass. But, having eaten and drank a glass of wine, I realize I don't understand how a two tier bonus is calculated for cap. I think it basically backloads it, and that thought makes me unhappy too.

03-03-2005, 05:12 PM	#153
Traveler Traveling Man! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	Nothing is out there yet to confirm they did give Gold the $8-10 million bonus. So I guess I'll chill out till we actully see the numbers.

03-03-2005, 05:22 PM	#156
DB-Freak The lone sack artist Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,995	When Gold and Mobley got injured, I didnt see a drop off in the LB play at all and to a degree I thought they were much more consistent and solid with Donnie and Ian instead of the overrated speed backers. Damn I would rather have Sykes at SLB then Gold.

03-03-2005, 05:24 PM	#159
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	. I'll wait to see on the bonus, but stuff here's been pretty reliable. Still, its' just curious. They say "3-4" which I suspected was bogus, but there are guys out there cheaper than 10mil who can fit in that scheme at DE - douglas of the ravens I'd think. If Gold came cheap, no issue. But he isn't in the top 5 of linebackers in a weak FA class.

03-03-2005, 05:56 PM	#162
Fusionfrontman Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 996	yeah you guys are overreacting bigtime..chill out lets wait to see what they use him for and what they do with DJ and what not...DJ will be fine Strongside IMO if they use him for it. Im not jumping up and down with any of the signings we've done so far

03-03-2005, 06:22 PM	#163
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I don't understand the "happy valley" attitude. As for the cap, we know Heyward got 12? mil, or was it 10? He was the best speed rusher not franchished. (does that say anything bout shanny?) Okeafer and then Fisher are the next two, according to the sites I've seen. Den was 3.9 under before we paid Fat Ass 1.4 and resigned Hamilton and picked up Hunt, and gold. We still have to resign Neil. That's gonna put us in negative territory. What we'll have is what Trevor frees up, less what we're over. 4 mil? So, calculate what Hayward's cap hit is to dullass, and figure Okeafer or Fisher will be at best a mil under that. It's ok, but Pryce and Okeafer OR some journeyman like Wiley and Okeafer and Fat Ass and Spragan would have given us a better shot at bowling. ****, I missed my afternoon workout over this, and I got to work tomorrow. I'm off to shower and go to bed. fick it.

03-03-2005, 06:38 PM	#164
Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 14,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	I have no problem with bringing gold back.... if it wouldnt restrict other signings. I'm pissed we let Heyward go.... Pryce and Kennedy probabally wont be back either. To me, thats more pressing than Gold. Maybe they want him to play safety.

03-03-2005, 06:59 PM	#167
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	yeah. And thinking of Gold lining up over that TE from SD ..... ahhhhhhhh. Pancake

03-03-2005, 07:22 PM	#171
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	wait, garcia, I thought you were ok with moving .... ah what the hell, TB held LT to only 135 yds a 5.2 avg and a touch ... awesome.