Why Gold?

[Ray Finkle]

I see no reason to get your panties in a bunch (the whole OM) over Gold when a., no one knows if he has signed. b., no one knows for how much. c., take aim in the fact that the Broncos are not overspending yet....aka, Hayward.

[bendog]

Well, FA is about done, DAve, if we locked Gold into 8-10 mil, what with Coleman, Elliss and Hamilton. It looks like you're right that the plan will be drafting baas to fix the dline.

And, I didn't like signing Lynch last year or Ihop the year before.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by bendog

Well, FA is about done, DAve.

It's only 36 hours into it!

It looks like you're right that the plan will be drafting baas to fix the dline.

See this is what happens when you get all flustered, you end up saying crazy stuff. I want Baas to shore up the O-Line, but you already knew that...

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by bendog

Well, FA is about done, DAve, if we locked Gold into 8-10 mil, what with Coleman, Elliss and Hamilton. It looks like you're right that the plan will be drafting baas to fix the dline.

And, I didn't like signing Lynch last year or Ihop the year before.

I can't say we'll even draft defense in the first round. I think they take the best athlete at 25.

[bendog]

FA is done when the cap is used up. We were reportedly 3.5 under to start. That's why jumping for Gold makes no sense to me. So he's a playmaker. Great. But adding him makes DJ and whichever DE plays infront of him less effective than they'd be with a normal sized LB. In the past, shanny's at least let other teams overpay, and then bottom feed.

The Big Ass trade was good, though, imo.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by bendog

FA is done when the cap is used up. We were reportedly 3.5 under to start. That's why jumping for Gold makes no sense to me. So he's a playmaker. Great. But adding him makes DJ and whichever DE plays infront of him less effective than they'd be with a normal sized LB. In the past, shanny's at least let other teams overpay, and then bottom feed.

The Big Ass trade was good, though, imo.

1st, we don't know the numbers for Gold...

2nd, because of this we have no idea where our cap is at...

Relax folks we have some time to fix this. I want some D-Line help as much as the rest of you, but i'm not about to $hit myself when we don't sign all of it in the first 36 hours of free-agencey.

[bronco militia]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The Sky Is Fallling!!!!!!!

[Kaylore]

I agree with Dave and most of the people on here. This whole board is full of so much doom and gloom you'd think we were in one of our loss modes.

First I don't see why DJ couldn't play Strong side. He's just the right type to take care of a tight end.

Seccond, Ian Gold will help out our special teams.

And third, we haven't drafted anyone, we've signed one guy, and the season hasn't started. Also, there is no telling with injuries and whatnot, who people will be wanting to trade for coming around the bend here, so that all of you are freaking out is quite unreasonable if you ask me.

[BroncoInferno]

Does Gold get engulfed by blockers from time to time? Yes. But you know what? That is true of most pursuit LBs, including Ray Lewis. Lewis makes all of his plays in the open field. When he is engaged by a blocker, he's neutralized. He doesn't make the play. Same deal with Zach Thomas and any other pursuit backer you can name. The goal with all of them is NOT to shed blockers using size and strength, but to AVOID blockers all together using their speed. Some of you are too caught up looking at the scales rather than carefully evaluating what's happening on the field. If you were, you'd know Gold's a very good player who will upgrade our defense.

For those of you worried about the whole WLB versus SLB thing...remember what Coyer talked about last week? About not pigeon-holing guys into traditional roles? About finding ways to best utilize your talent? In light of these comments, I suspect they may have something creative in mind for how to use Gold. Jake and Big Guy may have hit the nail on the head with their "rover back" theory.

At any rate, how bout let this thing play out before going into full hysteria mode only a day and a half into free agency?

[maven]

It really sucks when FA begins we bring in Ian Gold. Gold has been replaced by a better player on the weakside so what does Denver do? Bring gold in.

[DB-Freak]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Does Gold get engulfed by blockers from time to time? Yes. But you know what? That is true of most pursuit LBs, including Ray Lewis. Lewis makes all of his plays in the open field. When he is engaged by a blocker, he's neutralized. He doesn't make the play. Same deal with Zach Thomas and any other pursuit backer you can name. The goal with all of them is NOT to shed blockers using size and strength, but to AVOID blockers all together using their speed. Some of you are too caught up looking at the scales rather than carefully evaluating what's happening on the field. If you were, you'd know Gold's a very good player who will upgrade our defense.

For those of you worried about the whole WLB versus SLB thing...remember what Coyer talked about last week? About not pigeon-holing guys into traditional roles? About finding ways to best utilize your talent? In light of these comments, I suspect they may have something creative in mind for how to use Gold. Jake and Big Guy may have hit the nail on the head with their "rover back" theory.

At any rate, how bout let this thing play out before going into full hysteria mode only a day and a half into free agency?

The problem is Gold is no where near those guys in class. Second no one is pigeon holing here. Just at the idea of DJ becoming a full time SLB to accomodate GOld. And I am not worried about the free agency yet. I just hate the idea of GOld coming in here.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by ClarettNextTD

The problem is Gold is no where near those guys in class.

No, but he is still pretty darn good and is a vast improvement over Spragan.

Originally Posted by ClarettNextTD

Second no one is pigeon holing here. Just at the idea of DJ becoming a full time SLB to accomodate GOld. And I am not worried about the free agency yet. I just hate the idea of GOld coming in here.

First of all, we don't know for sure that the plan is to switch. Second, like Garcia and Jake, I think DJ has the size, strength and speed to make the switch without much drop off. Third, if their plan is to use Gold in a creative "rover-back" type role, you can just keep DJ where he is and leave the opposing offense guessing as to where Ian will line up on any given play.

[elsid13]

The sky is not falling, I have strange feeling gold, DJ will be moving around alot this year. sometimes they will play in space and sometimes they will over the TE. Let see how the whole FA thing go before we panic. I feel folks on the old Maen would have scream that Shanny was idiot and the season was done when he signed Eddie Mac and Let Miller go for undrafted FA WR name Rod Smith.

Let Shanny and Sandquest do thier jobs, it not like we're the chiefs

[Traveler]

The only problem I have is if we give/gave Gold that $8-10 million signing bonus.

[SoCalBronco]

thankfully nothing seems official yet. i am reducing to hoping for some kind of last second snag.

[maven]

[QUOTE=BroncoInferno]No, but he is still pretty darn good and is a vast improvement over Spragan.



First of all, we don't know for sure that the plan is to switch. QUOTE]


Gold playing the strong side over Spragan? No thanks. I do not want to move DJ & bring in Gold. DJ is perfect for the weak side. Gold is to f'n small. I was happy to see Gold leave & what do we do when FA starts? Bring Gold in.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

thankfully nothing seems official yet. i am reducing to hoping for some kind of last second snag.

we can all pray that is what happens

[BroncoInferno]

[QUOTE=maven]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

No, but he is still pretty darn good and is a vast improvement over Spragan.



First of all, we don't know for sure that the plan is to switch. QUOTE]


Gold playing the strong side over Spragan? No thanks. I do not want to move DJ & bring in Gold. DJ is perfect for the weak side. Gold is to f'n small. I was happy to see Gold leave & what do we do when FA starts? Bring Gold in.

Well, if you prefer Donnie Spragan to Ian Gold...to each their own, I guess. I'm just glad you aren't a talent evaluator for the Broncos.

[SoCalBronco]

what is so hard about understanding the phrase "he is BEST playing in space". Not head up on the TE, in space. This isnt a hard concept. He better not be moved. I dont care if Gold jumps up and down and demands it and Coyer agrees with Ian. Put him at safety or something. 8-10 million bonus? I still havent gotten over this if its true. I would have been pissed if he got a 5 million bonus. But no, you had to waste our FA money on that POS and now your going to displace a future pro bowler and take him away from his greatest strength. This sure as hell wasnt the "big plan" i was hoping for. God even Carl Peterson isnt this dumb. NO ****ING SWITCH! HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND. God Shanny, wake the **** up.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

what is so hard about understanding the phrase "he is BEST playing in space". Not head up on the TE, in space. This isnt a hard concept. He better not be moved. I dont care if Gold jumps up and down and demands it and Coyer agrees with Ian. Put him at safety or something. 8-10 million bonus? I still havent gotten over this if its true. I would have been pissed if he got a 5 million bonus. But no, you had to waste our FA money on that POS and now your going to displace a future pro bowler and take him away from his greatest strength. This sure as hell wasnt the "big plan" i was hoping for. God even Carl Peterson isnt this dumb. NO ****ING SWITCH! HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND. God Shanny, wake the **** up.

SoCal

I understand your concern, but Shanny has never been afraid to put the best players on the field at the position that he thinks that will excel. So if DJ struggles at Strong Side LB (if he plays there) then Shanny will move him back to the weak side. And He won't care about either Coyer orGolds'f eelings

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

ummm, he got released both times because of salary cap reasons, NOT because of his play.
that point makes no sense slap.

Had his play been acceptable, his cap number would have been acceptable. His play was substandard, so he got axed. Two years in a row, by different ballclubs.

[maven]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Well, if you prefer Donnie Spragan to Ian Gold...to each their own, I guess. I'm just glad you aren't a talent evaluator for the Broncos.

Seriously, you see Gold playing the strong side better over Spragan? You would see a drastic improvement of having Gold playing instead of Spragan on the strong side? Yeah, that's right you wouldn't. Now if your arguement was we need to replace Spragan I can totally understand that. I don't want DJ moving to the strong side just to make Ian Gold happy! DJ is perfect on the weak side! Why mess with that? He's a total upgrade over Gold on any given day! Gold needs to go find another team & Spragan's position needs to be upgraded.

[maven]

Originally Posted by elsid13

SoCal

I So if DJ struggles at Strong Side LB (if he plays there) then Shanny will move him back to the weak side. And He won't care about either Coyer orGolds'f eelings

If this was to happen we just wasted a boat load of money on a backup. Not very smart. Leave DJ alone, and go find players to upgrade positions we need.

[SoCalBronco]

10 million bonus? Than we could have kept ****ing reggie then. We have nothing on the DLine. Nothing. In fact, if we didnt get lucky that Cleveland wanted to get rid of Warren we would be in a crisis of biblical proportions on the DLine. But we went out and threw 10 million up front at ian gold. Pat Williams got that kind of bonus, couldnt that have been a slightly more efficient use of that kind of money? How bout all these relative bargain DTs that Bronco LB 52 has been clamoring over? Why are we sitting with, to quote Mock, "our ***** in our hands" when everyone else is doing stuff. 10 million bonus that is very close to what Wilson got last year. We offered Gold 5 million and then he threw a tantrum played a different position and now we are willing to double it? Why are you doing this Mike? I really hope to get an explanation other than "anytime you can get a guy with Ian's speed and skill level, we thought it could help our football team". We already have a ****ing Will backer. WTF is your problem? Lets keep loading up on LBs. Maybe we can reward Terry Pierce for keeping the bench especially warm and give him 15 million up front no questions asked. Dont we have Sykes here? Dont you think we should see what Sykes can do at Sam before switching **** around and ruining the good thing we had. Keep in mind this is Jashon's LAST year under contract! Apparently we arent even going to let him compete for a job since you dont give Gold 10 million upfront and say its an "open competition". What a colassol waste of talent. We had Sykes playing for ****ING PEANUTS. We could move Al outside in a jiffy and actually get some damn dividends on our 2nd round investment.
If your going to throw money around at least throw it around on the goddamn DLine. What is so hard to understand about this. Ian can go **** HIMSELF for all i care. 10 million ****ing bonus for that POS midget? Did you see Tampa ****ing Bay displace Derrick Brooks for that little p***Y ass? And Brooks is older and on the downside too, but they were still smart enough to know how to use their resources. Are we really that dumb? I have always loved Shanny and i probably always will but this kills me.

[Mr Chatterboodamn]

Originally Posted by papi728

Tombstone-

Don't take this as a personal attack against you. That being said, suggesting that DJ is possible trade material is ludicrous! The players in this years draft have nowhere near the ability that DJ has.

Secondly, we already have salary cap restraints and you think they are going to trade DJ just to resign an older LB with residual medical issues? Not to mention having to absorb whatever accelerated bonus trading DJ would cause.

C'mon man! That doesn't make any sense...

Yeah I was thinking along these lines... DJ really excites me as a player. He can be all-world when it's all said and done. I don't know what the plan is but I know that DJ must be on the field as much as possible next year.