No Ring for T.O.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by labronx

cry me a freakin river

its ok Im sure TO will take you to the "gun" show if you ask him. Stop acting like TO just walked on water. He gets paid to play a game and thats all he did.

[labronx]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

its ok Im sure TO will take you to the "gun" show if you ask him. Stop acting like TO just walked on water. He gets paid to play a game and thats all he did.

did you read my last post?

seriously read them.

please

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by DenFan38

Is it that hard to see? You and your Raider buddies like playing the woulda coulda shoulda game with that tuck rule, yet you say it's just an excuse when it comes to that non-call.

BTW, I'm glad you correctly predicted how bad LeBron would flop in the NBA, my Cavs are truly suffering since he jsut can't seem to produce at a level higher than High School.

I see... Boredom has set in.... You want an arguement... OK!

The Scene is the playoffs the year is 2001. The Raiders have previously beaten the Jets 38-24 in the playoffs ( This is a feat that the donks haven't been able to accomplish since 1998 ) The Raiders next task comes against the Patriots in foxborough in the snow. Walt Colemans crew is on the field when Tom Brady gets his arm chopped by Charles Woodson. The apparent force of the chop on the arm propels the ball forward and makes his arm go in the direction of his body. One smart referee on the field calls it a fumble which was recovered by Greg Biekert. The play is eventually overturned and Raider Fans as well as other football fans think that the Raiders got Jobbed thus the name of that Game in foxboro "The Snow Job" Raider Fans are heard saying... If, Maybe, Coulda.... & Donkey Fans are heard crying about winning a playoff game or making the playoffs if we have a pass rush and Kubiak doesn't go into a nintendo offense... empty backfield etc....

Fast Forward to 2002. The Raiders come into dungver and Rich Gannon torches the donkeys by passing on every down. The Raiders then torch the donkeys again in Oakland, advance to the playoffs and eventually the Superbowl while donkey fans hope and pray that they can just make the playoffs If.... They can just get a pass rush and If Kubiak just stops using the empty backfield set.... The Raiders lose in the SB saving the year for the poor donkey fans who still think that If they can get a pass rush & new offensive co-ordinator they might get close to winning a playoff game without John Elway.

The year is now 2003. Bill Callahan loses his mind and says the Raiders are the Dumbest team in America. Some Raider Fans are heard saying that they wish that John Gruden was back in town ( Not Me! ) The Raiders eventually fall to an atrocious 4-11 record and look forward to the draft and new coaching situation. Mean while In dungver its the first round of the playoffs an donkey fans again are heard saying if we can get a pass rush from Trevor Pryce, Ian Gold & Company we could win our first playoff game since 1998. Of course this also hinges on If Kubiak calls the correct plays ( Plays that shan-a-rat got credit for calling during wins btw ). Indianapolis hangs a 41-10 beating on the donks and the familiar cries of if, maybe, Coulda, Shoulda... Woulda surface again....

2004... Six years since the last playoff victory in dungver and 1 season removed from the Indy 41-10 debacle the donkeys get "A shut down corner" a clear reaction to the heavy ass whippin that Manning handed out. Proceed to make the playoffs while the Raiders improve morale 10 fold and their record by 1 game. Raider Fans are heard saying if we just had a decent running back and some direction on defense we could contend in 2005. Meanwhile in denver the donkeys are winning a meaningless game late in the season against the Colts who are resting their starters. Donk fans can be heard for the umpteenth time saying if we get a pass rush on Manning & If Kubiak calls a good game we should beat Indy.... Final Score Indy 49... Denver 24....

Lebron... I was wrong but, I'm not wrong about this... Lebron plays in a league that has an obvious void in overall talent. Care to debate it or would you rather Give props to T.O. for his game effort against the starting CB's of New England??

[labronx]

Originally Posted by Maximus

I see... Boredom has set in.... You want an arguement... OK!

The Scene is the playoffs the year is 2001. The Raiders have previously beaten the Jets 38-24 in the playoffs ( This is a feat that the donks haven't been able to accomplish since 1998 ) The Raiders next task comes against the Patriots in foxborough in the snow. Walt Colemans crew is on the field when Tom Brady gets his arm chopped by Charles Woodson. The apparent force of the chop on the arm propels the ball forward and makes his arm go in the direction of his body. One smart referee on the field calls it a fumble which was recovered by Greg Biekert. The play is eventually overturned and Raider Fans as well as other football fans think that the Raiders got Jobbed thus the name of that Game in foxboro "The Snow Job" Raider Fans are heard saying... If, Maybe, Coulda.... & Donkey Fans are heard crying about winning a playoff game or making the playoffs if we have a pass rush and Kubiak doesn't go into a nintendo offense... empty backfield etc....

Fast Forward to 2002. The Raiders come into dungver and Rich Gannon torches the donkeys by passing on every down. The Raiders then torch the donkeys again in Oakland, advance to the playoffs and eventually the Superbowl while donkey fans hope and pray that they can just make the playoffs If.... They can just get a pass rush and If Kubiak just stops using the empty backfield set.... The Raiders lose in the SB saving the year for the poor donkey fans who still think that If they can get a pass rush & new offensive co-ordinator they might get close to winning a playoff game without John Elway.

The year is now 2003. Bill Callahan loses his mind and says the Raiders are the Dumbest team in America. Some Raider Fans are heard saying that they wish that John Gruden was back in town ( Not Me! ) The Raiders eventually fall to an atrocious 4-11 record and look forward to the draft and new coaching situation. Mean while In dungver its the first round of the playoffs an donkey fans again are heard saying if we can get a pass rush from Trevor Pryce, Ian Gold & Company we could win our first playoff game since 1998. Of course this also hinges on If Kubiak calls the correct plays ( Plays that shan-a-rat got credit for calling during wins btw ). Indianapolis hangs a 41-10 beating on the donks and the familiar cries of if, maybe, Coulda, Shoulda... Woulda surface again....

2004... Six years since the last playoff victory in dungver and 1 season removed from the Indy 41-10 debacle the donkeys get "A shut down corner" a clear reaction to the heavy ass whippin that Manning handed out. Proceed to make the playoffs while the Raiders improve morale 10 fold and their record by 1 game. Raider Fans are heard saying if we just had a decent running back and some direction on defense we could contend in 2005. Meanwhile in denver the donkeys are winning a meaningless game late in the season against the Colts who are resting their starters. Donk fans can be heard for the umpteenth time saying if we get a pass rush on Manning & If Kubiak calls a good game we should beat Indy.... Final Score Indy 49... Denver 24....

Lebron... I was wrong but, I'm not wrong about this... Lebron plays in a league that has an obvious void in overall talent. Care to debate it or would you rather Give props to T.O. for his game effort against the starting CB's of New England??

hello maximus,

even though Lebron is on a league devoid of talent.

That kid is special and you have to admit it.

He can play in any era.

I love the fact that he loves to pass.

i you are a fundemantalist than you must agree

what do you think?

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by labronx

hello maximus,

even though Lebron is on a league devoid of talent.

That kid is special and you have to admit it.

He can play in any era.

I love the fact that he loves to pass.

i you are a fundemantalist than you must agree

what do you think?

While I agree that he would be able to play in any era. I don't think that he would be much of a showcase in the era of the 80's or early 90's. The game lacks defense and a bunch of fundementals. For example name one real defensive player in the NBA right now... Name 5....

In the era's that I speak of Lebron would get torched nightly on defense and people like Rodman, Cooper, Dennis Johnson & T.R. Dunn would give him fits.... Maybe I should throw Jordan in there as a Defensive player too...

[Exile_In_SJ]

T.O. is a punk, it's easy to see. He's also a great player. Big Deal. Personally, I hope a guy like him never prospers. other than making his ton of money. I hope his time with Philly is spent in frustration. And then when he leaves Philly he goes to another team that doesn't win it all.

Did T.O. make the Eagles better? No. they were exactly the same team they have been the last 4 years. Almost, but nt quite good enough.

How great is T.O.? well a nobody named Deion branch won the MVP. 11 catches, tying a superbowl record. And Branch didn't need a blatantly illegal pick to make his big catches.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Maximus

While I agree that he would be able to play in any era. I don't think that he would be much of a showcase in the era of the 80's or early 90's. The game lacks defense and a bunch of fundementals. For example name one real defensive player in the NBA right now... Name 5....

In the era's that I speak of Lebron would get torched nightly on defense and people like Rodman, Cooper, Dennis Johnson & T.R. Dunn would give him fits

ben wallace, andrei kirilenko, dikembe mutombo, dough christie, ron artest, mike james. hell the last team to win a championship was the first in 20 years to do it w/o a top 50 all time player and they based their entire strategy off suffocating defense.

atleast swing in the right direction man. blame shooting or something but I mean there are more defensive specialists in the league now then ever before.

[Breck Bronc]

Originally Posted by Maximus

( This is a feat that the donks haven't been able to accomplish since 1998 )

Semantics, but we won the AFC Championship and Super Bowl in 1999.

Mean while In dungver its the first round of the playoffs an donkey fans again are heard saying if we can get a pass rush from Trevor Pryce, Ian Gold & Company we could win our first playoff game since 1998.

Ian Gold tore up his knee midway through the 2003 season, so we weren't expecting him to produce a pass rush since he was out for the season.

But yeah, Denver hasn't accomplished much since Elway retired and I'm getting sick of it. San Diego winning the division this season really hurt.

[labronx]

Originally Posted by Exile_In_SJ

T.O. is a punk, it's easy to see. He's also a great player. Big Deal. Personally, I hope a guy like him never prospers. other than making his ton of money. I hope his time with Philly is spent in frustration. And then when he leaves Philly he goes to another team that doesn't win it all.

Did T.O. make the Eagles better? No. they were exactly the same team they have been the last 4 years. Almost, but nt quite good enough.

How great is T.O.? well a nobody named Deion branch won the MVP. 11 catches, tying a superbowl record. And Branch didn't need a blatantly illegal pick to make his big catches.

considering I just came of defending the guy, you have no idea how bad I wanna take the bait

well maybe I will,

doesnt that make you a punk for wanting somebody who never has had anything to do with you not to prosper?

just wondering

take your freakin bait Im spitting it out ima go back to swiming with real fish

[labronx]

Originally Posted by yavoon

ben wallace, andrei kirilenko, dikembe mutombo, dough christie, ron artest, mike james. hell the last team to win a championship was the first in 20 years to do it w/o a top 50 all time player and they based their entire strategy off suffocating defense.

atleast swing in the right direction man. blame shooting or something but I mean there are more defensive specialists in the league now then ever before.

Thanks Yavs,

you saved me on that one!!

My brain is 85 percent emotion today the other 35 or not logical or informative

see what I mean.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by labronx

Thanks Yavs,

you saved me on that one!!

My brain is 85 percent emotion today the other 35 or not logical or informative

see what I mean.

oh snugs=DD

[labronx]

Originally Posted by Maximus

While I agree that he would be able to play in any era. I don't think that he would be much of a showcase in the era of the 80's or early 90's. The game lacks defense and a bunch of fundementals. For example name one real defensive player in the NBA right now... Name 5....

In the era's that I speak of Lebron would get torched nightly on defense and people like Rodman, Cooper, Dennis Johnson & T.R. Dunn would give him fits.... Maybe I should throw Jordan in there as a Defensive player too...

how bout the guy in my avatar?

ask Kobe what he thinks.

[labronx]

Originally Posted by Breck Bronc

Semantics, but we won the AFC Championship and Super Bowl in 1999.

Ian Gold tore up his knee midway through the 2003 season, so we weren't expecting him to produce a pass rush since he was out for the season.

But yeah, Denver hasn't accomplished much since Elway retired and I'm getting sick of it. San Diego winning the division this season really hurt.

I was gonna point out the Gold mistake.
San Diego is discusting for taking the division.

I think I will go ahead and die now.

Thanks

[labronx]

Originally Posted by yavoon

oh snugs=DD

im lost

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by labronx

im lost

not many ppl dont flame me!

[labronx]

Originally Posted by yavoon

not many ppl dont flame me!

still kinda lost there buddy
my bad

I think your trying to say that your hated and not that many people like you or agree with you.

well yes.

I think ive had run ins with you.

Im all about the truth.

its simple I hate bull****

[CornStore]

Originally Posted by DenFan38

Dude, Bruschi caught the INT as he was going down and then slid on the ground, all TO did was walk up and touch him on the shouler pad while Teddy was laying there.

doesn't matter. it shows the guy was in on the play and was going all out. if he played for the steelers, you can bet he'd have been running down rodney harrison on that int return. besides, no one knew bruschi was going to slide down, TO was there willing to make the play if necessary.

[CornStore]

it's nice that exile's argument basically coems down to "TO doesn't deserve a ring becuase i personally dislike him"

wow, thanks for the insight

the guy is a champ with the best work ethic of anyone in the NFL

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by yavoon

ben wallace, andrei kirilenko, dikembe mutombo, dough christie, ron artest, mike james. hell the last team to win a championship was the first in 20 years to do it w/o a top 50 all time player and they based their entire strategy off suffocating defense.

atleast swing in the right direction man. blame shooting or something but I mean there are more defensive specialists in the league now then ever before.

Again your talking players that would sit the bench in the era's that I'm speaking about. Mike James... Doug Christie... Ron Artest.... Match them up against Jordan, Wilkins & James Worthy....

What could ben wallace possibly do against someone like say... hummm Charles Barkley or even Moses Malone Please... Give me a break None of the defensive players you name have what it takes to even make a 6th defensive team in the 80's early 90's all defensive team!

Kirilenko vs Kevin McHale
Hakeem The Dream vs Mutombo

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Again your talking players that would sit the bench in the era's that I'm speaking about. Mike James... Doug Christie... Ron Artest.... Match them up against Jordan, Wilkins & James Worthy....

What could ben wallace possibly do against someone like say... hummm Charles Barkley or even Moses Malone Please... Give me a break None of the defensive players you name have what it takes to even make a 6th defensive team in the 80's early 90's all defensive team!

Kirilenko vs Kevin McHale
Hakeem The Dream vs Mutombo

yes yes players were better yesterday, we all know this. its verifiable fact. it seems to me the golden age of all was the late 80's early 90's atleast that lets me know how old the forum is.

[labronx]

Originally Posted by CornStore

it's nice that exile's argument basically coems down to "TO doesn't deserve a ring becuase i personally dislike him"

wow, thanks for the insight

the guy is a champ with the best work ethic of anyone in the NFL

I called him a punk for the basis of his argument.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by CornStore

it's nice that exile's argument basically coems down to "TO doesn't deserve a ring becuase i personally dislike him"

wow, thanks for the insight

the guy is a champ with the best work ethic of anyone in the NFL

Not to mention that he's never had any.... ANY OFF FIELD PROBLEMS...!

[DB-Freak]

Well irrationality and backwardness run rampant here so expect it.

[labronx]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Not to mention that he's never had any.... ANY OFF FIELD PROBLEMS...!

seriously how can somebody actually hate the guy, I understand hes a freakin goofball.

I mean nothing beats the cheerleader pom poms thing.

but to say you wouldnt him on you teams is nutts

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by yavoon

yes yes players were better yesterday, we all know this. its verifiable fact. it seems to me the golden age of all was the late 80's early 90's atleast that lets me know how old the forum is.

It really points to the fact of how far the game has regressed since maybe 95. Our teams lose to puerto rico in international play and we talk about the merits of... Lebron James