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Old 01-24-2005, 06:16 PM   #1
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OK DB I have seen your new sig and I know you are not old enough to remember, but the 1966 Michigan State team would have kicked either of your Bugeater teams butts. Four of the top eight NFL draft choices (Bubba Smith, Clinton Jones, George Webster and Gene Washington (Vikings- not the 49ers wimp) plus Bob Brown, George Apisa, Ed Mc Cloed, Jimmy Raye, Steve Juday, Don Highsmith Sr.
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I know everyone is going to be a homer so i might as well continue with that. I think the following should be in the discussion somewhere, 2001 Miami, 1986 Miami (even though they didnt win it).
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I know everyone is going to be a homer so i might as well continue with that. I think the following should be in the discussion somewhere, 2001 Miami, 1986 Miami (even though they didnt win it).
Hell why not? I know we're not but I'll make a case for 2002 Ohio State anyway since its homer time.

A record 14 players sent to 1 draft from that team, that's talent
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Tell that to these guys, or the poll that ESPN did that voted the 95 Husker team as the greatest team ever. I can't say lots of those players were drafted real high but many are still pretty good in the NFL. Green being the best.


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Heres a case for the 71 Huskers

'71 TEAM PHOTO

Were the '71 Husker's the best college football team ever?That's a tough call considering all the great teams that have played over the years,including the '95 Husker's,but many(and they are not all from Nebraska) still believe it to be true calling them the greatest collection of talent ever assembled. The Huskers started the season as the team to beat and ranked #1 by everyone ,including Sports Illistrated.Whatever their rank among the great college teams the fact remains they were an awsome mix of great football players,for instance 4 out of 5starting offensive linemen(Johnson,White,Wortman,and Dumler) played in the pro's ,and many consider the one that didn't(Ruppert) the best lineman of the bunch.

They finished the season by beating undefeated and ranked #2 in the country Oklahoma 35-31 in the Game of the Century on Thanksgiving day in Norman.A game considered one of the greatest games ever, pitting the number 1 and 2 teams in the country,both undefeated and the Big 8 title on the line.Then the Huskers demolished Alabama in Miami 38-6 after jumping to a 28-0 lead at the half.Hall of Famer Johnny Rogers uncorked a 77 yard punt return for a TD that broke the game wide open.The victory sealed the Huskers Second undeafeated season in a row and second National championship in as many years.You be the judge!!

Team:1971 Nebraska Cornhuskers
Record: 13-0, National Champions
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Notes: Won every game by at least 24 points,(except 35-31 victory over Oklahoma)defeated Alabama 38-6 in the Orange Bowl to clinch national title. Scored at least 31 points every game.Allowed more than seven points just three times,and posted three shutouts.



Pretty good team as well. This just isn't a NU fans view on these teams either.
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Heres ESPN's top 10.


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They are just a bunch of gen x kids. They have never seen a great team. Add Dick Kinney ( the first barefoot kicker), Jay Breslin( Romo's Hero), Alan Brennan (led Big Ten in receptions the next two years), Gail Clark, Alan Alderson, etc and you have a real team. George Webster may have been the most instinctive defensive player ever.
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They are just a bunch of gen x kids. They have never seen a great team. Add Dick Kinney ( the first barefoot kicker), Jay Breslin( Romo's Hero), Alan Brennan (led Big Ten in receptions the next two years), Gail Clark, Alan Alderson, etc and you have a real team. George Webster may have been the most instinctive defensive player ever.


Ok that would explain the 95 huskers but what about the 71 Huskers? Also I didn't see the 66 MSU team on any list. Not saying they blow but why is that?
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I'd be very confident with either the '86 or '01 Miami teams against the '71 or '95 Cornhuskers. Miami is a bad matchup for Nebraska no matter how good the Huskers are in any particular year. Just look at the 1984 and 1995 Orange Bowls (and even a similar team to Nebraska back then like the '85-'87 Oklahoma Sooners who only lost three games in those three years, all to Miami.)

The 1994 Miami team that lost to Nebraska 24-17 wasn't even remotely close to being as good as the '86, '87, '88, '89, '90, '91, '92, '00, '01, and '02 Canes squads and still had the lead going into the fourth quarter against a great Cornhusker team led by Tommie Frazier.

I really wish Larry Coker wouldn't have called off the dogs in the 2002 Rose Bowl when the game was 34-0 at halftime. Many people look back at the Husker Fiesta Bowl thrashing of Florida and that cements the '95 Nebraska team as the best of all-time in their mind. Miami could have easily put an even worse than 62-24 spanking on that inferior Nebraska squad but for some reason Coker doesn't let his team play 100% when they have a big lead, which has cost us games in the past season. Just look at how Pete Carroll had his team playing against Oklahoma when the game was already a blowout. I like that when you're playing a good opponent; never take the foot off the pedal (not when you're playing a Western Illinois or McNeese State type pushovers).

I don't think you can rank great college teams of all-time. I'd just group the '87 & '01 Canes, '72 & '04 Trojans, '95 Cornhuskers, '94 Nittany Lions (talk about getting screwed), '99 Seminoles, '74 Sooners, and a few others I'm forgetting off the top of my head together and leave it at that. The '95 Cornhuskers are not the best team of all-time, they're one of the best teams of all-time.
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I'd be very confident with either the '86 or '01 Miami teams against the '71 or '95 Cornhuskers. Miami is a bad matchup for Nebraska no matter how good the Huskers are in any particular year. Just look at the 1984 and 1995 Orange Bowls (and even a similar team to Nebraska back then like the '85-'87 Oklahoma Sooners who only lost three games in those three years, all to Miami.)

The 1994 Miami team that lost to Nebraska 24-17 wasn't even remotely close to being as good as the '86, '87, '88, '89, '90, '91, '92, '00, '01, and '02 Canes squads and still had the lead going into the fourth quarter against a great Cornhusker team led by Tommie Frazier.

I really wish Larry Coker wouldn't have called off the dogs in the 2002 Rose Bowl when the game was 34-0 at halftime. Many people look back at the Husker Fiesta Bowl thrashing of Florida and that cements the '95 Nebraska team as the best of all-time in their mind. Miami could have easily put an even worse than 62-24 spanking on that inferior Nebraska squad but for some reason Coker doesn't let his team play 100% when they have a big lead, which has cost us games in the past season. Just look at how Pete Carroll had his team playing against Oklahoma when the game was already a blowout. I like that when you're playing a good opponent; never take the foot off the pedal (not when you're playing a Western Illinois or McNeese State type pushovers).

I don't think you can rank great college teams of all-time. I'd just group the '87 & '01 Canes, '72 & '04 Trojans, '95 Cornhuskers, '94 Nittany Lions (talk about getting screwed), '99 Seminoles, '74 Sooners, and a few others I'm forgetting off the top of my head together and leave it at that. The '95 Cornhuskers are not the best team of all-time, they're one of the best teams of all-time.


You say that like NU didn't have to go to Miami to play. Also Touchdown Tommy was playing with a bad leg. The 95 Huskers wore teams down. They had a very good line and two great running backs, not just one and that doesn't even count Frazier. NU rushed for 524 yards against the number two team in the nation! That is why NU beat teams they way they did that year. No teams D would be up to the task of slowing them down for 4 quarters.
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You say that like NU didn't have to go to Miami to play. Also Touchdown Tommy was playing with a bad leg. The 95 Huskers wore teams down. They had a very good line and two great running backs, not just one and that doesn't even count Frazier. NU rushed for 524 yards against the number two team in the nation! That is why NU beat teams they way they did that year. No teams D would be up to the task of slowing them down for 4 quarters.
How about a D that had 8 NFL first round picks on it? That '95 Florida defense wasn't very good.
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The 95 Florida front seven wasnt that good. Great post above Breck on Coker and the Rose Bowl. That could have been like 60-10 if we really tried in the second half and i think Nebraska fans know that. Only thing where i disagree with you Breck is 04 USC. This USC team played a super title game but during the season they didnt impress me. Virginia Tech had them almost on the ropes until the Refs got involved. Cal outplayed them in Los Angeles. UCLA without their top offensive player came very close to beating them. USC struggled mightily in the first half against scrubs like BYU and Washington this year. I think the 2003 and 2002 versions of USC were clearly superior to this team. This team was a mediocre national champion who excelled in the title game itself. Now that i think about it, i think USC was probably the best team in 2002. We played like **** against O$U, FSU, Rutgers, UConn, BC and Pittsburgh. O$U played like **** pretty much all season dominating nobody outside of the first game. USC after that loss to Cal was absolutely dominant the rest of the way.
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The 95 Florida front seven wasnt that good. Great post above Breck on Coker and the Rose Bowl. That could have been like 60-10 if we really tried in the second half and i think Nebraska fans know that. Only thing where i disagree with you Breck is 04 USC. This USC team played a super title game but during the season they didnt impress me. Virginia Tech had them almost on the ropes until the Refs got involved. Cal outplayed them in Los Angeles. UCLA without their top offensive player came very close to beating them. USC struggled mightily in the first half against scrubs like BYU and Washington this year. I think the 2003 and 2002 versions of USC were clearly superior to this team. This team was a mediocre national champion who excelled in the title game itself. Now that i think about it, i think USC was probably the best team in 2002. We played like **** against O$U, FSU, Rutgers, UConn, BC and Pittsburgh. O$U played like **** pretty much all season dominating nobody outside of the first game. USC after that loss to Cal was absolutely dominant the rest of the way.
You're probably right about the '04 Trojans. I guess I'm kind of only remembering the last game of the season since it's so fresh in my memory.

Didn't the '02 USC team lose two games? That should eliminate them right there.

I think defending national champions like the '02 Canes and '04 Trojans don't play as hungry as their MNC seasons and also take the best shot from each team they face. Maybe that's why they looked so ho-hum in many of their games. They still took care of business and ended up in another BCS title game.
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I'll agree that the 2002 Rose Bowl could have been much, much uglier if Coker didn't call off the dogs. Still, that wouldn't have been as impressive as NU's demolishing of Florida or USC's or OU. 95 Florida and 2004 OU were legitimate title threats heading into their games. Even Nebraska fans will aknowledge that the Huskers had no business being in the Rose Bowl. Oregon might have been a more legitimate opponent, though Miami was the only team that looked like title material that year.

In ranking the best teams you have to take into account the entire season too. There have been many Championship blowouts, but 95 Nebraska destroyed every opponent they played. Looking back at some of the scores from that season (64-21, 50-10, 77-28, 57-0, 73-14, 62-24) I can understand why the rest of the country has taken such joy in NU's recent seasons. Teams that throw the ball a lot don't put up those types of scores very often, let alone in almost 10 games by running the ball. To put those points up on the ground means complete domination on almost every drive.

Comparing teams from different eras in nearly impossible. The game ahs changed so much over the years. Still, it is fun to argue about.
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I'll agree that the 2002 Rose Bowl could have been much, much uglier if Coker didn't call off the dogs. Still, that wouldn't have been as impressive as NU's demolishing of Florida or USC's or OU. 95 Florida and 2004 OU were legitimate title threats heading into their games. Even Nebraska fans will aknowledge that the Huskers had no business being in the Rose Bowl. Oregon might have been a more legitimate opponent, though Miami was the only team that looked like title material that year.

In ranking the best teams you have to take into account the entire season too. There have been many Championship blowouts, but 95 Nebraska destroyed every opponent they played. Looking back at some of the scores from that season (64-21, 50-10, 77-28, 57-0, 73-14, 62-24) I can understand why the rest of the country has taken such joy in NU's recent seasons. Teams that throw the ball a lot don't put up those types of scores very often, let alone in almost 10 games by running the ball. To put those points up on the ground means complete domination on almost every drive.

Comparing teams from different eras in nearly impossible. The game ahs changed so much over the years. Still, it is fun to argue about.


The thing that bothers me about people being upset about us running up the score is this. We did take the starters out teams just didn't stop us. Our plays went run right, run left, and run up the middle. Phillips was the starter for most of the time that year and his backup was Ahman Green. Thats a pretty good backup. Brook was a very good backup as well. I think he would have been drafted had he not suddenly died in that plane crash. That team was very good from top to bottom. They just ran the ball and teams didnt stop them.
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well, i want to be a homer but its just not in my cards for my Cavs. but, i would have to say either OU ( cant remember the year but its when they beat FSU ), USC of this year was really impressive, and god do i say it? OSU 2002 ( mainly for their defense as offensively they offensive ) but they do get consideration.
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That 88 Notre Dame team was pretty good. They played and beat teams ranked #1 2 and 3 that year.


95 Huskers were good, but they played what 2 ranked opponents? KS and K State.
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Come on.. look at the Turkeys on that schedule


8/31 @ *Oklahoma State (4-8) W 64 21
9/9 @ Michigan State (6-5-1) W 50 10
9/16 vs. Arizona State (6-5) W 77 28
9/23 vs. Pacific (3-8) W 49 7
9/30 vs. Washington State (3-8) W 35 21
10/14 vs. *Missouri (3-8) W 57 0
10/21 vs. *Kansas State (10-2) W 49 25
10/28 @ *Colorado (10-2) W 44 21
11/4 vs. *Iowa State (3-8) W 73 14
11/11 @ *Kansas (10-2) W 41 3
11/24 vs. *Oklahoma (5-5-1) W 37 0
1/2 vs. Florida (12-1) W 62 24 @ Tempe, AZ Fiesta Bowl
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You're probably right about the '04 Trojans. I guess I'm kind of only remembering the last game of the season since it's so fresh in my memory.

Didn't the '02 USC team lose two games? That should eliminate them right there.

I think defending national champions like the '02 Canes and '04 Trojans don't play as hungry as their MNC seasons and also take the best shot from each team they face. Maybe that's why they looked so ho-hum in many of their games. They still took care of business and ended up in another BCS title game.
I agree that the 02 USC team losing two games would eliminate them, but in reality I think that team was probably the best they've had over the past three seasons even though they lost twice early. Nonetheless, I hate SC and they can't lose enough for me.
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