Did Peyton_Manning Choke Today? - Page 8 - The Orange Mane

Circle Orange · 01-16-2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I see, so Manning gets all the credit when the Colts win and none of the blame when they lose.

Whatever.

OF COURSE! That's the beauty of sports hysteria...one freaking extreme or the other.

They played like a hothouse team. Cold balls are like bricks, and the recievers couldn't handle them. Kind of hard to believe this club scorched the broncs so badly...get them off the plastic, they're just another team.

All talk of the fabulous statstical season should now be BANNED.... :boohoo:

Circle Orange · 01-16-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CornStore

elway would have looked as bad vs that defense in foxboro today (with the rest of the colts offense). sorry bud.

Not quite. Elway never lost to the Pats at either site, and Belly-check said Elway gave him more problems than any other qb and was a nightmare to prepare for. He also mentioned Favre as being 'somewhat similar.'

Circle Orange · 01-16-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CornStore

dude, the colts wide receivers were covered. Edgerrin James got stuffed his fair share. the new england defense forced turnovers WHEN IT WAS OUT OF THE QBS HANDS. i guess wide receivers wouldn't have dropped perfect passes if elway had thrown them, he's so special. ig uess they wouldn't have fumbled becuase elway would have "led" them to not fumble. i guess elway would have scrambled and found a way to throw it to COVERED receivers. you guys really hate manning and are obviously elway homers, if elway was going to "carry his team" to wins when the rest of his offense was outplayed why didn't he win all the time? why did he lose 3 super bowls before a team was built around him? why did he lose his share of afc playoff games to teams MUCH WORSE than the current new england team? no qb playing today would have been able to make up for the rest of the matchups out there.

No, Elway might have thrown a pick or two forcing balls into coverage. But just as likely he'd cannon that sucker in. What were all these afc playoff teams he lost to? He was 5-1 in conference championship games, and the loss was a game he didn't finish due to injury. The broncos had good success against both the Steelers and Patriots over the years. The only team in the entire tournament they didn't fare well against were the eagles, and that's nfc.

No one wins all the time, come on...in ANY sport you always lose more than you win. More events cause failure before success happens. And how do you 'only' carry 3 teams to superbowls? Are there other games left to play or something?!

Davis was icing on the cake to finish it off.

Tredici · 01-17-2005, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CornStore

your ignorance is hilarious. moore is a major part of why that offense is successful. maybe they should make you GM of the colts since you seem to know exactly how useless their OC is and how much control peyton has over the offense, defense, special teams, practice facilities, and waterboys.

What's hilarious is my ignorance comes from repeating what the media put out there about Peyton. It's called jerking your chain.

Of course I also got a chuckle out of the Belicheck quote you provided. What do you think a Coach is going to say? My team benefitted from another enormous Peyton Manning gag reflex when he saw a little mud on his pristine whites? I feel sorry for Peyton because Brandon Stokely turned into, ummmm.... Brandon Stokely?

Buy into the hype stat boy. Indy was the third seed and they are tuning in next week to watch the two teams who deserve their spots in the AFC Championship game.

CornStore · 01-17-2005, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Circle Orange

Not quite. Elway never lost to the Pats at either site, and Belly-check said Elway gave him more problems than any other qb and was a nightmare to prepare for. He also mentioned Favre as being 'somewhat similar.'

umm, the pats team now is just a bit different than the pats team when elway was playing.........

CornStore · 01-17-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tredici

What's hilarious is my ignorance comes from repeating what the media put out there about Peyton. It's called jerking your chain.

Of course I also got a chuckle out of the Belicheck quote you provided. What do you think a Coach is going to say? My team benefitted from another enormous Peyton Manning gag reflex when he saw a little mud on his pristine whites? I feel sorry for Peyton because Brandon Stokely turned into, ummmm.... Brandon Stokely?

Buy into the hype stat boy. Indy was the third seed and they are tuning in next week to watch the two teams who deserve their spots in the AFC Championship game.

what possible incentive does belicheck have to say they played the BEST they've played all season in that game? he was obviously being sincere, and anyone who watched the game would tend to agree since it was an incredible defensive performance.

you going to ignore that BS you posted about comparing plummers INTS to peyton manning's RECEIVERS' FUMBLES? or is that too inconvenient for your peyton bashing?

yep, indy was the third seed and doesn't deserve to be in the championship game. it's not, however, because peyton manning "choked".

Tredici · 01-17-2005, 07:27 AM

Over half of Jake's intercepts were the wideouts tipping or dropping the ball. Doesn't make a bit of difference. It's a stat that goes against the QB.

If you want to excuse Peyton, then let's see a post where you offer Jake the same excuse. Again, you are the one presenting a different point of view than you had just a few short weeks ago.

Tredici · 01-17-2005, 07:31 AM

Indy has magnificent receivers. The best ever. Three of them over 1,000 yards. They don't make mistakes. Stokely and Wayne are brilliant and know how to dismantle defenses. At least I read that in some post before they played against New England.

So it just can't be the fault of the receivers.

Tsk Tsk. Peyton gagged.

-Slap- · 01-17-2005, 07:32 AM

CorhHole, the fairweather BIlls fan, claims that he doesn't even care about Peyton Manning, yet he has twice as many posts on this thread as anybody else.

rofl

NaptownChief · 01-17-2005, 07:33 AM

I know most of you guys have a love affair with bashing Manning so to try and lay a choke job on him is to be expected but this was a far cry from a choke job. Last years NE game was a choke job, this wasn't even close. This was nothing more than Dungy getting vastly outcoached by B.B.

Rather than coming out and doing what the Colts do well they had scripted that ultra conservative run first game plan that looked like vintage Tony Dungy/Tampa Bay playoff choke style. When the Colts went into their 2 minute offense they moved it right down the field but spent most of the game trying to be a run first team that they aren't.

-Slap- · 01-17-2005, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tredici

Indy has magnificent receivers. The best ever. Three of them over 1,000 yards. They don't make mistakes. Stokely and Wayne are brilliant and know how to dismantle defenses. At least I read that in some post before they played against New England.

So it just can't be the fault of the receivers.

Tsk Tsk. Peyton gagged.

Marvin Harrison - first round pick

Reggie Wayne - first round pick

Dallas Clark - first round pick

Edgerrin James - first round pick

Yeah, Peyton was all alone out there, alright.

rofl

Circle Orange · 01-17-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CornStore

umm, the pats team now is just a bit different than the pats team when elway was playing.........

Willie McGintest and Ty Law were on teams against Elway. Coupla others, too.

Jason in LA · 01-17-2005, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

My bad, he did win a game at Arrowhead, didn't he?

Well, that's something.

rofl

It's really not saying much. Everybody wins at Arrowhead. They are 2-4 at home in the playoffs.

Jason in LA · 01-17-2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DenFan38

Peyton does have the driveand [b]will[/b[] win a Super Bowl

They said that about Dan Marino. Manning is a Marino close. The results so far have been almost the same. Well, Marino did at least make it to a Super Bowl.

Jason in LA · 01-17-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DenFan38

Hopefully not Dungy anymore.

Dungy's unit did show up for the game. Manning's unit was the one that stunk up the joint.

Jason in LA · 01-17-2005, 09:53 AM

Cornstore doesn't seem to realize that Elway was good when he rolled out to buy time, and Manning isn't. When Elway rolled out, it was showtime. It was like watching Magic Johnson on a fastbreak. You knew something great was going to happen. Elway did that type of stuff a lot. When he would the WRs, who really weren't all that good, would find a way to get open. But when Manning would roll out, he looked like a fish out of water. He didn't buy himself that much extra time. The Pat's DBs probably got a good laugh out of him rolling out.

One thing that made Elway deadly on the roll out was that he was a threat to run. DBs had to chose whether to stay with their man, which would let Elway run for good yards, or come up to make a play, which would leave their man wide open. Manning doesn't have that effect. When Manning rolls out, do you think any DB would leave their man? Even if they stay with their man they still would have time to come up and make a tackle on Manning if he runs, which he wasn't going to.

Elway made very good defenses look silly, even when he didn't have a lot of talent around him. Elway didn't need everything to be perfect for him. Manning does. When Manning drops back, if his first few reads are covered, and the rush is coming, he can't do anything. That happened over and over yesterday. When Elway's first few reads were covered, and the rush was coming, it was showtime.

Like I said before, If Elway could walk into the Dawg Pound with the Three Amigos, no running game, and an average O line, and win that game, he could have gone to NE with three 1000 yard WRs, and a 1500 yard back, and a couple of good TEs, and a good O line. Damn, if Elway had all that he would have beaten the Giants, Skins, and atleast played close to the Niners in those Super Bowl losses.

NaptownChief · 01-17-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Dungy's unit did show up for the game. Manning's unit was the one that stunk up the joint.

The Pat RB's ran for 200 yards at a 5.9 per carry average and chewed up the majority of the game clock. You sure you watched the game?

Northman · 01-17-2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

The Pat RB's ran for 200 yards at a 5.9 per carry average and chewed up the majority of the game clock. You sure you watched the game?

but they only scored 6 points aside from 16 minutes. so in that respect he is right.

NaptownChief · 01-17-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Anubis_Zyklon

but they only scored 6 points aside from 16 minutes. so in that respect he is right.

As I mentioned on the other thread that is only due to the fact they were able to control the game running it down their throats and didn't need to throw. Otherwise they would have abused the Colts pitiful CB's any time they wanted especially with the running game working the way it was. The only reason the Pats didn't beat them up with a lot of points is cause they didn't need to.

Northman · 01-17-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

As I mentioned on the other thread that is only due to the fact they were able to control the game running it down their throats and didn't need to throw. Otherwise they would have abused the Colts pitiful CB's any time they wanted especially with the running game working the way it was. The only reason the Pats didn't beat them up with a lot of points is cause they didn't need to.

Would of, could of means nothing as the score indicated something totally different. the Colts were in that game regardless of what YOU thought they could have done to the Colts Db's.

Jason in LA · 01-17-2005, 11:02 AM

The Pats had 6 points at the half. And 13 mid way through the 4th. The Colts held Brady to 144 yards. They played good until the final couple of drives. That's when Dillion was able to get a lot of yards. After Manning and his unstoppible offense couldn't get any first downs, leaving the Colts D on the field way too long. The Colts D showed up and played hard. They didn't get any help from their offense.

FADERPROOF · 01-17-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Dungy's unit did show up for the game. Manning's unit was the one that stunk up the joint.

Dungy is the head coach, not a defensive coordinator. He is in charge of gameplanning on both sides along with his coordinators, and Dungy and Moore failed big time with the gameplan.

Naptown said it right, it wasnt about Manning choking, it was about Dungy get smacked around by Belichick all game long.

FADERPROOF · 01-17-2005, 12:37 PM

Let's last week what did we say the Broncos needed to do in order to defeat the Indianapolis Colts?

a.) Run the ball effectively.

b.) Control the clock

What did the New England Patriots do to defeat the Indianapolis Colts?

a.) They ran the ball effectively

b.) They controlled the clock

Garcia Bronco · 01-17-2005, 12:38 PM

The whole Colts O choke collectively as a group.

TheManeMan · 01-17-2005, 12:42 PM

Don't cry Peyton...Atleast you'll always have 49...

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01-17-2005, 07:27 AM	#182
Tredici Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10,010	Over half of Jake's intercepts were the wideouts tipping or dropping the ball. Doesn't make a bit of difference. It's a stat that goes against the QB. If you want to excuse Peyton, then let's see a post where you offer Jake the same excuse. Again, you are the one presenting a different point of view than you had just a few short weeks ago.

01-17-2005, 07:31 AM	#183
Tredici Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10,010	Indy has magnificent receivers. The best ever. Three of them over 1,000 yards. They don't make mistakes. Stokely and Wayne are brilliant and know how to dismantle defenses. At least I read that in some post before they played against New England. So it just can't be the fault of the receivers. Tsk Tsk. Peyton gagged.

01-17-2005, 07:32 AM	#184
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	CorhHole, the fairweather BIlls fan, claims that he doesn't even care about Peyton Manning, yet he has twice as many posts on this thread as anybody else. rofl

01-17-2005, 07:33 AM	#185
NaptownChief Donkeys Nightmare Football Pimp Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,490	I know most of you guys have a love affair with bashing Manning so to try and lay a choke job on him is to be expected but this was a far cry from a choke job. Last years NE game was a choke job, this wasn't even close. This was nothing more than Dungy getting vastly outcoached by B.B. Rather than coming out and doing what the Colts do well they had scripted that ultra conservative run first game plan that looked like vintage Tony Dungy/Tampa Bay playoff choke style. When the Colts went into their 2 minute offense they moved it right down the field but spent most of the game trying to be a run first team that they aren't.

01-17-2005, 09:53 AM	#191
Jason in LA Gimmie that rep fool! Speaking of Butts & Boob Mojo Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LA Posts: 12,253	Cornstore doesn't seem to realize that Elway was good when he rolled out to buy time, and Manning isn't. When Elway rolled out, it was showtime. It was like watching Magic Johnson on a fastbreak. You knew something great was going to happen. Elway did that type of stuff a lot. When he would the WRs, who really weren't all that good, would find a way to get open. But when Manning would roll out, he looked like a fish out of water. He didn't buy himself that much extra time. The Pat's DBs probably got a good laugh out of him rolling out. One thing that made Elway deadly on the roll out was that he was a threat to run. DBs had to chose whether to stay with their man, which would let Elway run for good yards, or come up to make a play, which would leave their man wide open. Manning doesn't have that effect. When Manning rolls out, do you think any DB would leave their man? Even if they stay with their man they still would have time to come up and make a tackle on Manning if he runs, which he wasn't going to. Elway made very good defenses look silly, even when he didn't have a lot of talent around him. Elway didn't need everything to be perfect for him. Manning does. When Manning drops back, if his first few reads are covered, and the rush is coming, he can't do anything. That happened over and over yesterday. When Elway's first few reads were covered, and the rush was coming, it was showtime. Like I said before, If Elway could walk into the Dawg Pound with the Three Amigos, no running game, and an average O line, and win that game, he could have gone to NE with three 1000 yard WRs, and a 1500 yard back, and a couple of good TEs, and a good O line. Damn, if Elway had all that he would have beaten the Giants, Skins, and atleast played close to the Niners in those Super Bowl losses.

01-17-2005, 11:02 AM	#196
Jason in LA Gimmie that rep fool! Speaking of Butts & Boob Mojo Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LA Posts: 12,253	The Pats had 6 points at the half. And 13 mid way through the 4th. The Colts held Brady to 144 yards. They played good until the final couple of drives. That's when Dillion was able to get a lot of yards. After Manning and his unstoppible offense couldn't get any first downs, leaving the Colts D on the field way too long. The Colts D showed up and played hard. They didn't get any help from their offense.

01-17-2005, 12:37 PM	#198
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	Let's last week what did we say the Broncos needed to do in order to defeat the Indianapolis Colts? a.) Run the ball effectively. b.) Control the clock What did the New England Patriots do to defeat the Indianapolis Colts? a.) They ran the ball effectively b.) They controlled the clock

01-17-2005, 12:38 PM	#199
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	The whole Colts O choke collectively as a group.

01-17-2005, 12:42 PM	#200
TheManeMan Ring of Famer DPOY Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 5,659	Don't cry Peyton...Atleast you'll always have 49...